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Homosexuality
Topic Started: Sat May 24, 2008 6:10 am (11,337 Views)
Godlikephoenix
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starwolf931,
Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:19 pm
1)If you dont care OR EVEN LIVE IN AMERICA why did you colsed that topic(I hate people"It dosent insult me.But I think this insults someone so I am going to ban you.")
2)I didnt send any PM to admins I send it to you.
Im going to answer the 2nd point first, since I DID NOT recieve any PM from you at all...the only PM I received was from another member for another reason.

The reason I closed that other topic is for the reason that it was created with the intent of hate, an obvious bait for flaming and trolling, so it was closed, and there was no banning...so dont overexagerate.

That is an obvious troll, and intentionally going off-topic, and there will be concequences, and dont say that its because "I dont agree with you"
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iKing
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GLP you close a topic which has quite a bit of disscussion without any flame wars and then you don't close this topic.

I suggest you close this topic is well if a thread like that american thread gets closed. This thread always has this flame wars...
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Modhat:

If you have any concerns about the activities of myself or any of the other moderators here, please bring it up with us at the appropriate venue (PM either a moderator or an administrator, or bring up your grievances in the Staff Feedback threads available in the Support and Feedback section).

Otherwise - post only if you wish to engage in the debate about Homosexuality. Any further off-topic or spam-like messages will be deleted and the users may be warned.

EDIT: I'd like to bring up Jsun's recent post.

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Some members have already been punished for some of their ridiculous statements and comments in this thread like the one above.

Please refrain from insulting other members or flaming them on purpose. This is a serious discussion. Using excessive language and profanity to get a point across or to simply provoke someone only makes you look foolish and naive.


If I see any more posts where this is happening I will warn and suspend your account. This goes for everyone!


This is still in effect. Any further derailing and I will be considering locking this for a temporary time.
Edited by T.e.n, Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:45 pm.
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MadHatter
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Lets try to get this back on track shall we I voted for love is love. The reason is simple a person can't change I myself am Gay. I have been in a wonderful relationship for the past 7 years, and my better half suggested this board to me.
Common arguments to this is that being gay is a choice or mental illness. Has anyone seen a so called Gay reformed on the today show or the news, I have and they still flame and got style. Truth is you can't change your preference you can only lie to yourself and someone else until you ruin a family you made.
And to answer the question about gay guys liking female characters more then male. Its not that they are attracted to them its mostly an admiration to their beauty and charisma. I myself do not like most female characters I like lady Tachibana for her man like qualities. Gay men can be sorted into three groups, according to the Japanese they are Seme, Uke, and Both. So not All gay men are the same think about this when your out at the store, the guy putting up the melons in produce just might be gay.
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kuni_izumi
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I think labeling a gay person according to what position they take in bed is rediculous, it has so little bearing on who they are as a person.

The lable of seme suggests dominance 'being on top' in the relationship associated with a physical position, but there are plenty of relationships where the uke (if they don't switch up on one another) is perfectly in control of the relationship and prefers to be the partner who is penetrated simply because they find that more sexually gratifying.

Unfortunatley fangirls in RP forums have solidified stereotypes of whiney, helpless ukes and dominant, powerful and sometimes controlling semes.

Just like who you have in your bed shouldn't matter, neither should your position.
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MadHatter
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:06 pm
according to the Japanese they are Seme, Uke, and Both.
That was not brought up for the bedroom fundamentals nor was it to place labels on people. I brought it up as a suggestion that some people you can't tell weather they are gay or not. though your argument of ukes typically being flamboyant is correct to fan girls its not always correct in real life.
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kuni_izumi
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:50 pm
though your argument of ukes typically being flamboyant is correct to fan girls its not always correct in real life.
That's the point I was trying to make.

I just generally disagree with those labels because they've cultivated images of how people act based on where they are in bed, just like in the USA some people assume that if you're gay or bisexual you have sex with a lot of partners. The idea of bisexual monogamy just seems alien to them.

Your previous post sounded a bit like you were saying gay men had to fall into one of those categories (And well, they do unless you're gay and celebate) and it sounded like your were attributing personality types to how people are in bed.

So I guess I just misunderstood, sorry.

Though my opinion on seme/uke labels is still applicable in general.
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Mei Ling
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I think homosexuality is okay. I mean, it's cute to see two guys enjoying their lives together! I met a couple once in a park. They were so nice, but since they were sitting so close, and the guy had one hand on the other guy's knee, people were starting to stare. They werent trying or doing anything sexual by doing that anyway. I sat across from them, having a nice friendly chat. It shows how nice people are, and how varied people's opinions are.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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Homosexuality to me is fine. I don't see anything wrong with it, and it does annoy me when people ignorantly blast them like they're not human.

The way I see it, I have far better and more important things to worry about than who my neighbor is going to bed with. Anyone concerning themselves with the love lives of another man (or woman) either lacks a love life of his/her own or is just dwn right pathetic.

I can have my girlfriend and he can have his boyfriend, it won't bother me.

Now PDA bugs me, and not just in homosexuals, in any couple, its just awkward and no one wants to see it.

One of my closest friends is a homosexual
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Kaon
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:06 pm
And to answer the question about gay guys liking female characters more then male. Its not that they are attracted to them its mostly an admiration to their beauty and charisma.
I'll second that, it shows how some men admire qualities of feminism and perhaps loli as well. It's like sparking an interest for affectionate qualities, but it's his choice in the end.

Some people have ignorant reasons to dislike them as a whole, or they're just afraid to accept them; If that's how the majority's point-of-view appears. Most people find homosexual activity in public "disturbing" since it does not appear normal, but it's not their fault for publicizing themselves as male-female couples would appear. I have seen a few, although I've grown quite fond of seeing certain couples nowadays.
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I think the whole seme/uke personality stereotype thing is a little funny really; anyone who takes one look at me and my partner would throw those assumptions straight out of the window.

But Madhatter IS correct. The words 'seme' and 'uke' originated from martial arts practice, and simply mean 'giver' and 'receiver' roughly speaking, as in someone giving a punch and the other receiving it with a block, etc; in this context both phrases have no implications for domination or submission. On English gay sites, we class ourselves as 'top', 'bottom' or 'flex', meaning pretty much the same thing. It's up to both partners how far they want this to reflect their relative personalities I guess.
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I Voted Love is love. I really don't mind it, it's non of my business whether someone is attracted to the same sex or opposite sex. Several of my friends on MSN are gay, but i honestly don't mind. I also agree with the others that have chosen the same option.
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Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:40 pm
GLP you close a topic which has quite a bit of disscussion without any flame wars and then you don't close this topic.

I suggest you close this topic is well if a thread like that american thread gets closed. This thread always has this flame wars...
Yeah, and I was getting ready to dominate that topic too.
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If you two both really so desperately want to know...ask me over pm or msn because im not going to fill up this thread with all of this nonsense.

Now I do not want to hear one more word about it in this thread, so keep it back on topic, thanks :)
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of course i voted for love is love.

I'm gay and proud of it. I struggled with it in middle school cause people would say stuff like "Look at that F@g" or "That guy is a fairy" you know the usual stuff. It made me scared to be me. But after my friend who happened to be gay (and i liked very much) killed himself, i knew i had to step up and be proud of who i am. I am very straight acting and not flamboyant, so when i came out it was like no one believed me. I had the usual bullying but since i know how to fight i unfortunatly used what i knew to hurt others. When I look back at it i actually hate myself for getting physical like that.

But one thing i believe is that it is genetic, being a psych major, i wrote a paper on how it is something that is natural. My psych teacher that I wrote the paper for was a big homophobe (or he pretended to be to get us syked or scared... i never knew but he liked me and never hated me cause i was intelligent and stated facts). But after writting the paper and comparing it to the fact that its an evolution factor as well, the teacher was impressed. I mean if you look at it.. and please no hate towards this cause its just a theory, but when there is too much of a creature some are born to like other male creatures to prevent from over population. and in some ways thats what homosexuality is. the world is too over populated and we needed a controlling factor in it. Though since we are humans and are more intelligent and know about love and not just about procreating. Needless to say when i wrote about that my psych teacher put a comment on there and said "You made me a believer."

So yea, thats just my two cents lol. and sorry if there are spelling errors.. i am on valium at the moment and can barely keep my eyes open. lol. :P
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just let folks alone unless they are hurting you

^What a libertarian point of view.

Sadly, people waste so much energy with picking them apart. But that's life...
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I personally couldn't care less if 2 men were in love with each other or 2 women to be precise. As long as the 2 men don't make me question my sexuality i'm not bothered what they do.
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This brings up an interesting question and I mean this totally hypothetical and just for debate.

Is it wrong to make someone question their own sexuality?

I mean that's why a lot of feminine guys get a lot of flack isn't it? This idea that someone who considers himself (or herself I guess if you want to do a total flip) straight might find themselves attracted to someone of the same gender is somehow threatening?

So example a lot if guys don't like Loran from Gundam because he was apparently 'a trap' and originally meant to be female.

Should someone feel threatened by questioning their sexuality? Because I've always felt it was healthy to question the norms, and one's own beliefs...so shouldn't it be okay to question your sexuality too?


Sorry this is kind of off-topic, but I felt it ties into the subject here, but not enough to merit it's own thread. I'd particularly like to hear what homosexual members of the forum have to say since they're the most likely to have been put in such situations/questioned their sexuality.
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I know what you mean. I have heard a lot of stories about guys who look exactly like girls. My uncle is married to one apparently. Also Ice Prince, the person who started this topic and was a moderator actually closely resembles a girl. I think when he posted his pics here like 8 members thought he was a girl.

So it can be confusing to a point where a guy will question their sexuality in some cases I guess. Never been in that situation though.

I remember last year while playing Guilty Gear one of my friends picked Bridget (OMG) and started saying how he would love to see "her" naked. I was like, "that's a dude" and he was like "are you serious, wtf. whatever I'd still do him" :lol:

So yeah it was a big LOL WTF OMG moment. Appearances can be deceiving.
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To keep it short, I'm not against homosexuality or gay marriage. I even support it, because everyone should have the right to marry the one they love. But I have to admit that I'm not comfortable with being around homosexual people, considering I don't really hang out much around them. One of my good friends is bisexual though, and she's a wonderful person :)
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i voted love is love, there is no reason why anyone wouldn't

really if your gay its not your choice, if your attracted to someon your attracted to them, it doesn't mean tha they're not right, its all just discremenation, if you think that racism is wrong but your totally fine with homophobia than your nothing but a hipporcrate, simple as that and there is no two ways about it.

really i could care less if your gay or not your still the same person, i have a freind who is gay and i don't care, i think hes immensley fun to hang around with cuz he is hilarious, and very flamboyant, my neighbours are lesbians and i don't care they are such nice people that are funny and help our neighbourhood, what my point is, is that regardless of sexuality, a gay person is the same as everyone else, thay have feelings too and they care about the same thing s as you.

i really don't get where all this hate comes from, what has a gay person ever done to you? even one you have't met? its ridiculous to hate someone you don't even know!

bassicly what i understand is that the hate really comes from what influences you.(religion figures have a huge influence on people and people take what they say very seriously, also parents hae ahuge effect on someones point of view
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I just signed up on this board and this it the first thing that pops up on my computer? :mellow:

Anyway, people still seem to have a problem with homosexuality, which in my case its restarted. <_< (Me being one my self.) :hehe:

Homophobia is something that someone has to face and over come just like all phobias. :rolleyes:

Let me explain...


"Straight" only exists because it has been defined as "natural" in opposition to homosexuality. Terms & definitions are always founded on constructed categories and dichotomies (e.g. "good" vs. "evil", "nature" vs. "humanity", "natural" vs. "unnatural/perverse"). So just because people identify as "straight" (and straight is privileged as the "good"/"natural" category) does 'NOT' give them some kind of right to discriminate in the name of a constructed and misguided superiority complex.
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"Straight" only exists because it has been defined as "natural" in opposition to homosexuality. Terms & definitions are always founded on constructed categories and dichotomies (e.g. "good" vs. "evil", "nature" vs. "humanity", "natural" vs. "unnatural/perverse"). So just because people identify as "straight" (and straight is privileged as the "good"/"natural" category) does 'NOT' give them some kind of right to discriminate in the name of a constructed and misguided superiority complex.


Human beings subtly mistake mere difference as opposition. Darkness is not opposed to Light all of the time, only... some of the time.
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I believe that we should sympathize with the LGBT community as the members are also human beings with God-given rights and privileges. However, just as heterosexuals have the responsibility to control their sexual drive, the members of the LGBT community have a greater burden to carry.

We respect their condition. However, their acts are distinct from their status. :mellow:
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AK049
Fri May 1, 2009 2:42 pm
I believe that we should sympathize with the LGBT community as the members are also human beings with God-given rights and privileges. However, just as heterosexuals have the responsibility to control their sexual drive, the members of the LGBT community have a greater burden to carry.

We respect their condition. However, their acts are distinct from their status. :mellow:
condition? that comes dangerously close to calling homosexuality a disease.

and are you implying that gay folks DO NOT control their sexual drives to the extent of heterosexuals? and may i ask what the "burden" we carry might be?
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