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| Miho | Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:58 pm Post #351 |
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Ma Cheng and ScottyD, please actually try to contribute to the topic if you're going to post. Your one line, or even one word posts aren't progressing the topic at all. If you want to post one liners, go to the Fun Area. This topic is for sensible and mature discussion... Even if it is a ridiculous topic in the first place, but still, one line posts aren't appreciated guys! I don't think I need to express my view on Homosexuality, haha. |
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| Zed_Omega | Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:45 pm Post #352 |
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True, and unfortunately, both sides of any argument are going to have their extremes, no matter what the discussion at hand is. It's just that discussions like homosexuality seem to have both sides of the debate fielded by the more extreme sides of the fence. Y'know, the ones where the grass has already grown over and there's spiders all over the place. What annoys the living hell outta me, though, is that yeah, a lot of the anti-gay sentiments being thrown around seem to be using the Bible as a shield. Especially the Ten Commandments, which I'm not going to quote but make no mention whatsoever of homosexuality at all. It probably pisses them off to know that there are some studies being thrown around about how close King David's friendship with Johnathan really was. The evidence is starting to point towards bisexuality, which was defined waaaaaaay back in Leviticus as a sin because 'it was detestable'. Look at the lament that David sang when Saul and his brothers were killed by the Philistines. He lamented Johnathan in a debatable way: 'Your love for me was strong, stronger than that of even women.' If it really was a mistranslation, that particular part of II Kings would've been reworded, and if it's an accurate translation, it would've been cut out of the modern reprints. It just seems like the religious right is hiding behind the books of the Bible that suits their purposes, instead of just reading the whole damn thing and learning something about the same historical figures they're praising so much. |
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| Strata | Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:25 pm Post #353 |
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My thoughts exactly,thats why I was posting rubbish here. |
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| Claus | Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:06 pm Post #354 |
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i've had a bit of an experience with this aswell (though not personally) my best freind from elementary school is gay, and he doesn't hide it or anything of that sort, he knows who he is and he is fine with that. i always felt bad for him though, his mom didn't accept the fact that he was gay but his dad didn't care at all, he just loved his son for who he is, unlike his mom. and so thats how i know its not just a choice you make, its really who you are as a person
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| DrewTheDude-Dono | Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:01 am Post #355 |
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Whatever sort of homosexual interpretation from the bible you get really doesn't mean anything. The doctrines of Christianity state that being gay is immoral and there's no real self-contradiction of it within the texts. Any sort of suggestion of such is purely individual interpretation. Also remember that love doesn't necessarily need to be romantic. |
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| Zed_Omega | Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:33 am Post #356 |
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(Apologies in advance for necromancy, but I had to give a rebuttal to that quote-and-post.) Drew: That may be true, but that doesn't discount the fact that a passage that ambiguous exists. The copy of the NIV version that I have even has passages that some versions didn't. And that's not the point. The point was that even with all the studies going on regarding the Bible's real meaning, the Bible itself is being used against the gays. Groups like Westboro Baptist Church are especially loud about anti-gay sentiments. I won't post the link here because I fear the mods, but I'm sure you've heard of the website by now. |
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| keijimasters | Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:22 am Post #357 |
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i see what u mean Miyazaki you are right it isnt a choice it is just who u are btw srry if i said anything wrong on the first post i made
Edited by keijimasters, Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:24 am.
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| foomin | Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:34 pm Post #358 |
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the emperor is in.
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i have a suggestion for this topic. i mean no disrespect to Ice Prince, since it was set up as a for or against topic. however, due to my own personal experience of feeling hurt, disappointed and angry and having left the forum for awhile over some of the uninformed opinions and downright prejudiced attitudes of some other forum goers, i suggest this topic moves to the Health and Lifestyle area. this would allow folks who just wanted to ask questions or make productive comments more prone to post here. i will admit to my making it a bit difficult to post a dissenting opinion in this thread because i will staunchly defend my basic human rights to be gay and not be criticized for it. i don't mind honest questions opinions, but the flaming gay bashing really is unproductive. this has been on my mind for quite awhile, and having spoken to a few other gay/gay friendly members this is my solution. thanks, f. |
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| Jsun | Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:51 pm Post #359 |
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KOEI Warriors Forever!
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There was actually another topic that was started originally in the Health and Lifestyle section until it was locked for this one. I'll move this one out of the debate section which hopefully will end all the nasty comments and such. Really should have just locked/archived this topic from the start when the bashing began. I know it was for awhile when Miho was in charge. I'll probably remove the poll since generally everyone that voted pretty much agreed with homosexuality. |
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| foomin | Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:58 pm Post #360 |
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thank you Jsun. my next move was going to be to send YOU a PM. i really appreciate your consideration in this matter. best, f. |
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| Pride | Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:59 pm Post #361 |
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Well I'm not anti-homo but I have my thoughts about that. I don't mind homosexuals really but I just like to think they're fake, to me they sound like people who want to be "special" and "unique" so they claim to be into the same genders. I also think that males like females and females like males, be it basic theory or something I like to believe in that's all. Well I just wanted to post what I think of that's all, btw homo sex is proven to be unhealthy and most of my believes are taken from religios believes so no need to go write a long post against my opinion as we probably won't produce much discussion. |
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| Jsun | Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:01 pm Post #362 |
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KOEI Warriors Forever!
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I was sort of just thinking about creating a new topic all together so people wouldn't have to re-read through the anti-homophobic remarks made by some people here and add like a no bashing/insult rule. |
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| Miho | Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:26 pm Post #363 |
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Woooow, that's a NEW one! Homosexual sex is unhealthy... m'kay. I'd love to see these 'proven results.' thousands of gay men and women have sex everyday, don't see them dropping down dead. And as a matter of fact, there ARE erogenous zones in the anal passage. AND ANOTHER THING, STRAIGHT people have oral and ANAL sex AS WELL. So if it was somehow 'unhealthy,' then it isn't GAY sex that's unhealthy, it would be anal sex, or whatever act you're talking about. Though considering there are erogenous zones in the anal passage, I really don't see what danger someone could be in from it. So if you're going to say something like that, BACK IT UP. Don't throw around ridiculous statements without actual proof. And how dare you say I’m trying to be special or unique, and that i'm FAKE? Well sugar, i'm as real as can be. There's homosexuals all around you where ever you go. Whatever city you're in, whatever country you're in, Homosexuals aren't FAKE. This topic is ridiculous, full stop. It should have stayed locked when I locked it. What productive discussion has come from this topic? I don't want to come onto this forum and feel judged by people because I happen to like men. If you have discriminative thoughts towards homosexuals, keep them to yourself. This is the one topic on KW I can't control myself in. Though to be honest, i'm only really defending my own life style. I've been called so many things in this topic and it's just not right. If there was a topic called 'Heterosexuality,' and me and foomin were going in there calling all of your life styles a sin, fake or just plain wrong... You wouldn't like it. There's not many gay members here on KW, and this topic just tries to single us out even more. This topic needs to be LOCKED FOREVER. I won't lock it now, someone else can lock this. Though if it isn't locked I will just simply lock it, or even delete it. I've had enough of this pointless and insulting topic. |
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| foomin | Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:28 pm Post #364 |
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may i ask what health risks being homosexual in-and-of-itself presents? and i'm happy to allow dissenting opinions, but not everyone here believes in christianity so the "bible" bears little weight. |
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| Pride | Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:41 pm Post #365 |
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Well I've been told that some viruses live in the male sexual orgins and only effect other males. Now that I can't really back up but just a quick google search gave me some sites with sexual risks of that: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html Now about the fake thing, seriously read what I said O.o I said that, thats what I (<- I) like to think of, always thought that all of the "people categories" like emos, goths, gays and lesbians are like that. Thats my theory about them, something I think of. If people were complaining for the past 20 pages that other people laugh at them simply because they think they're gays, you shouldn't laugh at what I think. It's the same thing when you think about it, that's just my own belief and I always thought that. I met gays before, upon asking them all gave stupid reasons, like " I want to annoy my parents" , "I got raped once" "I don't get much attention and I don't feel special when straight" etc.. I'm against categoriesing people, so I know the previous paragraph doesn't prove anything as I only met around 5-6 gays here. I agree that threads like this don't usually produce much discussions, at least not much fruitful discussions specialy when people are infulanced with religions believes. bleh.. |
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| Miho | Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:57 pm Post #366 |
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For one, those gay people obviously aren't gay then. They're idiots who just want some kind of attention. Secondly, while reading that link, i'm pretty sure ALL of those acts are done in straight sex too. Maybe some are more common in gay sex, but they're all there in the straight sex category too. Thank you for at least responding in a respectful way. I do respect your opinion, as I hope you respect my life style. But you have to understand that this topic has been a huge strain on me since it was made, constantly stressing me out. I've had enough sh*t about my sexuality in real life meetings, I don't need it on this forum. I'm going to lock this topic now. Don't unlock this again Jsun. It hasn't given out anything positive, and is hugely insulting to myself and Foomin, and i'm sure any other gay member who has read it. It just sprouts homophobia. And FYI, inciting hated onto homosexuals is against the law now where I'm from. I think I have enough of a backing to lock this. LOCKED! |
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