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Homosexuality
Topic Started: Sat May 24, 2008 6:10 am (11,348 Views)
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The one thing that is a repeating pattern for gays in the media is the stereotype that all gays act flamboyant and all. I had to write some articles on it last semester for english. There is actually very few who act that way from what I read. The media is really giving the wrong impression about people which is just stimulating old stereotypes.
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Jsun
May 26 2008, 04:42 AM
The one thing that is a repeating pattern for gays in the media is the stereotype that all gays act flamboyant and all. I had to write some articles on it last semester for english. There is actually very few who act that way from what I read. The media is really giving the wrong impression about people which is just stimulating old stereotypes.

Goes for all and is why im very redundant to.... (as in: finding it an un-necessity)....function in modern society since its a big "made" anyway, mostly against wich i disagree and often even am repulsed by it, actualitys in the form of news, and commerce, its all buisiness, inhumane.. corporate. Disgusting.

I should become a poet.
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I'm 23 and I don't know any truly gay or lesbians IRL. Probably its the conservative-ness of the people around me. But I do know some bi people around me. Does that count? Anyway, I voted for "I'm fine with it. Love is Love." Cause I think that people shouldn't be restricted to whom we love. Love should be shared and never stifled.

As a Muslim, it is stated that homosexuality brings you straight to hell. It also says that sex with anybody else other than your husband (if you're a woman) or your wife (ditto here) gives you a one way ticket to hell. So that brought a young me to think, "Does that mean that i cannot love my best friend since I'm a girl and so is she and that homosexuality is prohibited?" that kinda thing. My religious teacher told me to think about it and tell her my view which was, I'm free to love but sex is still a no-no. She just smiled. I'm still a bit confused at her answer but that's just me.

So yeah. I support the love between two individuals for love is a connection of the minds and hearts and not of the hips.

peace!

ps: I feel like I'm gonna grow up to be a spinster in the end! :lol:
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I voted for the "Love is love" stuff. But I do have to add that this thread is turning out to be pretty pointless. So far I haven't heard a single nay-sayer, which means that the debate is pretty much lost.
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May 26 2008, 12:13 PM
I voted for the "Love is love" stuff. But I do have to add that this thread is turning out to be pretty pointless. So far I haven't heard a single nay-sayer, which means that the debate is pretty much lost.

Haha yeah true...but they'll come along I'm sure. But the tolerance of this forum is a welcome change to some of the other forums I've seen/belong to. That being said I voted love is love, being I'm gay myself lol.
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May 26 2008, 10:13 PM
So far I haven't heard a single nay-sayer, which means that the debate is pretty much lost.

well, in the votes, there are 3 who so far have voted against the crowd, it just seems that theyre just not willing to share their reasons, and i dont see why not, if you have an opinion on a matter, share it
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awg, I hate to be the only person who will say otherwise -_- , but I might as well. Please, no one hate me for this. First off, I dont hate gay people in general, although some have tended to annoy me. I dont have any friends IRL who are gay, but have made a couple on some of the forums I visit.

I tend to be a strong believer in the religion I practice, In which I am LDS, or as the world knows us more by as Mormons. We are against homosexuality and believe it is a sin. Although we think that if a person does not repent for homosexuality and does not change their ways before they die, then they dont go to hell, but simply do not reach the highest kingdom of Heaven. Our religion does not look down on people or hate anyone. We are taught to love are neighbors and enemies. We simply instead of cursing people for their sins, like most religions do, we just try to help people. Because I believe that homosexuality is a choice, although most who are gay believe otherwise, but they just dont relize that they have been slowly pushed or influenced in to it. Homosexuality is not hereditary or is not something picked up at birth.
That is all I will say for now, there is plenty more to it and a lot more I could get into, but I have a hard time expressing it all down in my writing. And sorry to disapoint, but I am not trying to debate about this. Because first of all, I suck at debating and like I said, I have a hard time putting my thoughts down. But secondly I am not trying to be proven wrong, because this is what I believe, and tho some of your arguments might sound great and totally look like they shut my arguments down, I dont care, because maybe I might not be able to say everything I want to, and I have faith in what I follow is true, and my mind will not be changed on the subject.
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Jsun
May 26 2008, 04:42 AM
The one thing that is a repeating pattern for gays in the media is the stereotype that all gays act flamboyant and all. I had to write some articles on it last semester for english. There is actually very few who act that way from what I read. The media is really giving the wrong impression about people which is just stimulating old stereotypes.

THIS is a point i have made myself over and over in my RL and in the forums i frequent. i am just a normal guy, i have never done drag, i do not snap my fingers and say "OOOOOOO, GIRL!", i do not chase done every reasonably attractive male i run into and and proposition him. it's frustrating that the media only recognizes THAT stereotype when presenting gay folks in popular media. it makes for more sensational ratings, sure, but it's harmful to everyone involved. i just happen to like guys, it's not even the most important thing about me, it's just in there with all the rest, and honestly i tend to not think about it a whole lot. i'm open with my sexuality, but i don't condone PDA(great term) in anyone, so i certainly would never flaunt my preference physically in front of anyone. i've tried quite hard in my lifetime to turn peoples thinking about homosexuality by being intelligent, well-read, and friendly...it helps.

and Xaldin-you and i met over just such a debate and i'll make the same point i did at that time:i certainly did not choose my sexuality, i can remember being attracted to other boys as far back as first grade. why would i choose to live a life full of hate and disrespect in this day and age?
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foomin
May 26 2008, 06:32 PM
and Xaldin-you and i met over just such a debate and i'll make the same point i did at that time:i certainly did not choose my sexuality, i can remember being attracted to other boys as far back as first grade. why would i choose to live full of hate and disrespect in this day and age?

Like I said, that is just the excuse you all seem to make. It might not have been fully a choice you wanted to make, but something that could have been helped. It is simply how you grew up, whether you relize it or not.
I also believe that Satan makes different trials for everyone. He has not put homosexuality as a trial for me, because it is something that I dont have the weakness toward. Just like someone who will never take drugs, rarely gets tempted by it, because Satan knows that that person doesnt have a weakness toward it, so why would he waste his time on that when that same person is easily tempted by porn, then thats exactly what Satan will throw in front of that person to make them even weaker and harder for them to overcome that. I believe that the Devil is smart, and he knows all of our weaknesses.
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Zhen Ji
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I have read a story about two Gay men named Jonathan and David. they were heroic figures of the Kingdom of Israel, whose intimate relationship was recorded favorably in the Old Testament books of Samuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_and_David

There is debate amongst religious scholars whether this relationship was platonic, romantic but chaste, or sexual.

I think It was a good story and tragic story.

I belive that Hate against Homosexuals is no diffrent than Racism. Hate against Gays is like modern replacement for Racism. Maybe but later in time,in the future more people will see it through and be ok with it. Though I hate to dout that this will ever happen anytime soon....
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Ice Prince
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The disagreement that it is "choice" and part of growing up could partially be correct.

However, with science, it is proven that homosexuality may very well be genetic and decided before birth. Gay men are said to actually have different brain patterns compared to that of straight men (same with lesbians and straight girls). There is also usually a noteable increase in estrogen for gay men, and testosterone in gay women.

Perhpas some of it may be induced by your upbringing, but I think when someone is homosexual, it stems more from biological factors as compared to anything dealing with Satan.

Afterall, what if the bible said that straight relationships were immoral and sinful, but mentioned nothing like that about homosexual relationships? Would that make you change your orientation (assuming you're straight) to like the same sex? I highly doubt it. The majority of it has to do with biological factors I believe.
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May 26 2008, 07:46 PM
Like I said, that is just the excuse you all seem to make. It might not have been fully a choice you wanted to make, but something that could have been helped. It is simply how you grew up, whether you relize it or not.

Well, something must be wrong with the Mormon church if how I grew up had a lot to do with the fact that I like both girls and boys. Considering I grew up Mormon.
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Ice Prince
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That's a good point as well.

I was raised a southern Baptist, and yet I turned out homosexual. The church that I went to even spoke out about homosexuality, so I mean common sense should say that obviously no one that attended would want to be that way.
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May 27 2008, 01:27 AM
The disagreement that it is "choice" and part of growing up could partially be correct.

However, with science, it is proven that homosexuality may very well be genetic and decided before birth. Gay men are said to actually have different brain patterns compared to that of straight men (same with lesbians and straight girls). There is also usually a noteable increase in estrogen for gay men, and testosterone in gay women.

Perhpas some of it may be induced by your upbringing, but I think when someone is homosexual, it stems more from biological factors as compared to anything dealing with Satan.

Afterall, what if the bible said that straight relationships were immoral and sinful, but mentioned nothing like that about homosexual relationships? Would that make you change your orientation (assuming you're straight) to like the same sex? I highly doubt it. The majority of it has to do with biological factors I believe.

OOOO I Most Definetly Agree Ice Prince!! :lol:

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Glad you agree Zhen. ^_^ I'm just tired of people hatin' because I'm just trying to get my grown woman on.

And if all else fails, all you gotta say is this:

I'm the type of girl who wants it all.
The type of girl that can show ya how to ball.
The type of girl you wanna take to ya momma's house.
The type of girl who can show you how to work it out.

I'm the type of girl make a man change his life.
Leave all them other girls and make me the wife.
The type of girl who gonna ride when you need one.
The type of girl you wanna chew all of my bubble gum.


See what they gotta say after that. Chances are, not a damn word. Alot of them like to hate...but the problem is, they ain't doin' it right. Next. *hairflip*
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May 27 2008, 12:46 AM
foomin
May 26 2008, 06:32 PM
and Xaldin-you and i met over just such a debate and i'll make the same point i did at that time:i certainly did not choose my sexuality, i can remember being attracted to other boys as far back as first grade. why would i choose to live full of hate and disrespect in this day and age?

Like I said, that is just the excuse you all seem to make. It might not have been fully a choice you wanted to make, but something that could have been helped. It is simply how you grew up, whether you relize it or not.
I also believe that Satan makes different trials for everyone. He has not put homosexuality as a trial for me, because it is something that I dont have the weakness toward. Just like someone who will never take drugs, rarely gets tempted by it, because Satan knows that that person doesnt have a weakness toward it, so why would he waste his time on that when that same person is easily tempted by porn, then thats exactly what Satan will throw in front of that person to make them even weaker and harder for them to overcome that. I believe that the Devil is smart, and he knows all of our weaknesses.

MMMMM? i see. YOU ALL? that seems sort of condescending. there has been male homosexuality in my family for several generations. perhaps not open, but there all the same. i had an unmarried brother to my grand mother who lived with another man in early 1900's. and nine uncles on my mother's side of the family, five of whom were never married, two of whom had "men friends" (as my grandmother used to say), the other three were too afraid of the public reaction to live their lives openly. and my much older brother has told me of experimenting with homosexuality before being threatened by my father and marrying, he is fighting his desires even today. luckily my father had little to do with bringing me up and i was not bullied into a sad and unsatisfactory life. that is a pretty strong case for genetic predisposition in my eyes.

another example. my current partner (who i have been with for two years) is married and had two teenage children. he explains that he's fought his feelings his entire life and been angry, confused, and sometimes abused alcohol, because he was taught that homosexuality was wrong and and that he was doomed to hell if he acknowledged his own feelings. he is 47 and had never engaged in any gay actions until he met me. he says that the way i live my life, with no fear of discovery, no self loathing, an open mind to all people, and the knowledge that we are all just human, changed his life and made him realize that we WILL NOT be punished by some vengeful god who seeks to immolate folks who don't "follow his rules", for living our lives with love, no matter what kind. and his family(he is African-American) will never be able to understand his choices, but we are slowly working towards finding a way to tell everyone. he is a good man. he takes care of his children and his family, and intends to continue to. but he has been harmed more by NOT accepting his sexuality than by doing so.

and your supposition assumes that i am christian and believe that there is a "Satan", which i'm not, and i don't. long ago i gave up on the strict and unbending tenants of christianity, with all it's blame and guilt. i'm spiritual and believe in a higher power, but not "the God" or "the Devil".

and i could say, that you've been "brainwashed" by the christian right, moral majority to "believe" that something that frightens many, because they have hidden desires or fear what they don't understand, is "wrong". but i really like you, and have enjoyed talking to you on the forums, so i won't.

and just so there is no misunderstanding. i mean no disrespect to anyone, everyone's opinion is valid, just expressing mine.
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Sorry I can't write an exhaustive post to explain my opinion on this matter, I'd have much to say, but it's not easy to put elaborate thoughts down in a language you don't speak fluently.
So I only give this example XD: if I didn't like chocolate unlike most people, no one would think "you're different from most people, we don't like you/we fear you/you're wrong" because of that, I guess. I'm sure everyone would agree that to like or dislike chocolate is only a matter of taste. Well, I just think it should be the same with homosexuality.
And that's what I wrote in the "Gay, Straight, or Bi" thread some months ago, replying to a straight person who has a bi fiancee: "I don't think it's a good thing nor a bad one, what matters is that you two love each other. I think that gender, or to be gay, straight or bi doesn't matter when you find the right person for you."

However I respect every opinion, of course, especially when it's given politely and with the same respect.
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Well in my religion(Islam) we look down on homosexuality, and in the past God even punished them for it.

But honestly, I don't care, I have friends who are gays and lesbians and I'm fine with it! As long as they're nice to me, I'm nice to them, as long as we're friends, I'm fine with anything. XD They're still humans anyway.
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This should get merged with that other topic on homo-sexuality. ^_^
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May 29 2008, 05:55 AM
This should get merged with that other topic on homo-sexuality. ^_^

uhh, not entirely, that one is asking the sexual preference of the members, while this one is discussing homosexuality in general, i think theyre fine as they are :)
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But both topics are disussing the manner and are pretty well the same discussion.
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Most Definitaly! Like I said Hate against Gays is like modern replacement for Racism Back in the Past. Wich is a Bad thing. -_-
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May 30 2008, 10:08 PM
Most Definitaly! Like I said Hate against Gays is like modern replacement for Racism Back in the Past. Wich is a Bad thing. -_-

Still plenty of immigrants to choose from, not need for Gays for the catch-for-all goat for all modern woes yet.

To topic:

Sure why not...

I been in university for so long that this almost seem a non-issue anyways. But, that of course is selectively focused (availability heuristic), cant really generalize to other social institutes.

ppl in my highschool who were gay or at least fit into the stereotyped images didn't fair so well, and I can't say I was not involved in making their lives miserable.

So if you are in hs, well, write your experiences, I'm sure its not too pleasant.

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To be honest, I've never had any problems with being Bi... But I guess that's because I don't go around just randomly telling people that either.
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May 24 2008, 05:10 AM
What's your view on homosexuality?

I heard that CA recently legalized gay marriage. Being a homosexual, obviously I was happy to see that happen. Being homosexual is very hard, anywhere in the world (regardless what some might say). It's a tough place to be in, because there is always ignorant discrimination.

I'm not here to preach about why I think it's right or wrong, but just to gather opinions and to see what others think (in a rational, polite way mind you).

Discuss.

I'm proud that my state legalized gay marriage. The news greatly surprised me, but then again, that might be because I live in the more Republican part of Orange County. One thing about California though is that most Republicans are fiscal conservatives, which means they're Republican because they're rich and don't want high taxes. :/ :/ :/

But yes, I think love is love and what-not, and it seems dumb to me that there's any good reason to deny gays the same rights as other people. On the other hand though, marriage is becoming a failure institution in this country, and with gays now coming in to it, there is the question about whether they will face the same problems as straight couples.

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