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Homosexuality
Topic Started: Sat May 24, 2008 6:10 am (11,346 Views)
DrewTheDude-Dono
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Jun 1 2008, 04:59 PM
Women's rights?

Hahahaha. LOL!

I really hope that what you just said isn't the case. Unless, of course, you mean that in a way that I'm not understanding.

(This post is sarcastic. But laughing whenever somebody says "women's rights" is a custom everybody should adopt anyways. :lol: )

Before I say this, I think I should say that Slick misiniterpreted me and this was something that I touched on with him on MSN and Slick agreed with me when I stated what I meant.

What I meant here is that when women got their rights, the way casual hetero relations worked was much different then what it previously was. The idea that the women had to stay with a man became less common and the idea that the women can decided who she marries or has a relationship with also took an effect on things. Since women got more freedom, divorce became much more commonplace within our soceity and hetero relationships have become much harder to jump into.

Now when we look at gays in our soceity today, we see that their relationships are strong and they want this bondage between them to be thought of in a positive manner. Being as the psychology of the backlash on gays in our current soceity, it wouldn't too hard to believe that if people were to completely tolerate homo-sexuality that the aspects of gay relationships would change.

Oh, and as far as religion in politics goes.... Religion can pretty well be seen having an effect on all countries politics one way or the other. So to go into politics not expecting anything of religious matters would be a ludacrous thing to do.

I also think it's kind of silly to say that most cultures and religions were intolerent of homo-sexuality... It's actually quite the contrary. Although feelings of it varied with time and place, I wouldn't say that people were usually hateful of homo-sexuality.
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I suppose that last statement I can understand depending upon where you live.

All I know is that here where I live (and I'm in the bible belt), the majority of religious organizations(Christian oriented) do not like homosexuality. Even the current Pope himself has spoken out against homosexuality a few times.

I have a friend that I go to college with that is from the Middle East(I believe Pakistan is his home country), and he said that homosexuality is looked down upon by the majority of it's religious figures as well.

While I would like to think that the majority of religous figures have "moved on" from the general disdain they hold for homosexuality, I simply don't see it happening. The "common" person type of people have improved their opinions of homosexuality over the years, but not the major religious figures. They are still just as against it as those that came before them(at least they lead you to believe, anyway).
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Jun 5 2008, 05:57 PM
The priest thing is an example of the "don't say it's wrong if you're doing it" rule. I mean really, lecturing people about their sins when they're commiting the exact same sins!

Actually, sexually abusing nine-year old children and having a relationship with another man while you dearly love each other has a bit of a subtle difference. So, no, they're not the 'exact same sins'.
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Religion is all about following the original religious doctrine. It would be very unreligious and out of the question for them to oppose "God's" words. But the irony there, really, is that pretty well anyone who's Christian can't even be considered a Christian considering the fact that they don't even follow the rules properly and already has opposed "God's" word.
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Many of my friends are gay, in fact this one guy is so into being homosexual, he has sex with his boyfriend in their dorm room. They have never been caught anyway, plus he has a whole collection of Queer as Folk DVDs. Plus he also has Trick, Beautiful Thing, Latter Days, hell, he even has a few gay porn movies from Falcon Studios, featuring his favorite star, Roman Heart. Being female, none of this bothers me. I even peeked in on them having sex once and I was totally cool with it. It's actually kind of...sweet in a way, to say the least. I watched Latter Days, and it has some very good points on Homosexuality. Steve Sandvoss's character is a gay mormon. He meets a gay waiter, and the two have sex. They become a couple, however the parents find out about their Mormon Son, and sent him to rehab. It's tragic, but sexy and romanticly cute at the same time. So as you can see, I am perfectly cool with it, unless the guys are hairy bears...then it's just ew.
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I am not against homosexuality,but I don't say it's right.
It's gross to see two men kissing each other infront of you,every day. <_<(I have a gay teacher,and his husband drops by every day)
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Jun 5 2008, 08:26 PM
I am not against homosexuality,but I don't say it's right.
It's gross to see two men kissing each other infront of you,every day. <_<(I have a gay teacher,and his husband drops by every day)

really? openly gay hs teacher? he got balls then, he and his partner.

I never even met a openly gay person untill university. Sure, there are ppl in hs who everyone knew were gay, but they did not dare to come out and just say it.

"Dont ask, dont tell" is not just for the military, its also for highschool.
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Jun 6 2008, 06:23 AM
I even peeked in on them having sex once and I was totally cool with it. It's actually kind of...sweet in a way, to say the least.

Isn't that a bit creepy though, the whole peeking?

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Jun 6 2008, 03:16 PM
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Jun 6 2008, 06:23 AM
I even peeked in on them having sex once and I was totally cool with it. It's actually kind of...sweet in a way, to say the least.

Isn't that a bit creepy though, the whole peeking?

uhh, yeah, would that feel kind of weird? did you accidentally walk in on them...or did you intentionally sneak a peak?

lol, today was a fun day at school :lol: its kinda hard to explain what happened...but believe me, it was funny, and still related to this topic, but in the good way :lol:
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I picked the first one. I have some homosexual friends, and as long as the whole "thing", to look for a better word, is not shoved in my face or I'm forced into a difficult situation because of it Its fine with me.

Although if I think about it, I dont like seeing two men kiss, it makes me cringe. I don't mean to offend anyone when I say that.
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I'm a girl, and a Christian raised in California, and I'm more than okay with gays being treated like human beings/ being allowed to marry etc. I'm alright with Lesbians too, because I used to suffer from a lot of stigma that I was okay with gays (as opposed to lesbians) because I didn't have to worry about what 'men' did, which is just plain stupid.

Of course as a Christian and a very tolerant one at that, I feel I have to say that any implications that all Christians are gay bashing bible-thumpers from Kansas and Arkansas is like saying that all men of homosexual persuasion are rainbow flag wearing fags spreading aids and corrupting our children with their free love enterprises.

They're both stupid things to say, so please don't.
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Have to say, what kuni is saying is so true. People are too quick to judge a whole community based on one or two people in the main stream. The media is constantly pumping out negative representatives of different groups, it's just stupid. All Christians are made out to be nasty, hate everyone people. Gay men are ALL camp and loud, Lesbians are butch and manly. It's just ridiculous the way people blanket a whole community, really makes me mad >:[ .

But yeah, I just wanted to say I agree with Kuni! Everyone knows me views on this topic so :P .
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Agreed with miho. Judging any group by the actions of one individiual is a terrible, hasty mistake. Every person has their own individual thoughts, feelings and dreams.

How media conditioning treats groups of people? It's pretty well exemplified by this xkcd strip.
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Hmmm...
Well though not actively bi, I do consider myself bi

It's a grave sin in many modern (as in currently practiced) religions.
But none can explain why. Some people are contempt enough to go through their simple life, blindly following orders
I am not one of these people. I'm not afraid to question religion and don't understand people who don't question theirs.
This is probably the base of my Deist beliefs.

I have my own theories on Religion and Homosexuality
But a strong belief I have is...

What is religion, if not an army?
What is an army without soldiers?
Soldiers cannot be bred from homosexuals thus the Religion forbids it
Numbers hold power, that we know. Majority rules as they say...
True this thinking is overly simple, but so were the arbiters of religions when they were formed.
Religious books were written by man, not God and I certainly wont let another decide what is right and wrong.

Having found my own beliefs, I can honnestly say I'm more liberated of judgement or discrimination and I'm highly tolerable of most peoples, moreso than I would have been.
I honnestly don't believe I would have achieved this potential had I continued my organised birth religion.
This doesnt just apply to homosexuals but they are included, as are people with different beliefs.
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Mei Ling
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Jun 6 2008, 08:44 AM
Astus
Jun 6 2008, 03:16 PM
Zhu Rong
Jun 6 2008, 06:23 AM
I even peeked in on them having sex once and I was totally cool with it. It's actually kind of...sweet in a way, to say the least.

Isn't that a bit creepy though, the whole peeking?

uhh, yeah, would that feel kind of weird? did you accidentally walk in on them...or did you intentionally sneak a peak?

lol, today was a fun day at school :lol: its kinda hard to explain what happened...but believe me, it was funny, and still related to this topic, but in the good way :lol:

Lol, my choice of wording was rather poor. Yes I acidentally walked in on them. But it was perfectly fine..I mean, it didn't disturb me. Old or fat gay men having sex bothers me. Besides, my friends resemble Chris Evans and Mark Ballas. On a side note, this may just be my stupidity and I do not intend to be offensive, but...do all gay couples have sex? I mean like......do they actually go at it like rabbits? Miho or Ice Prince?
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This is a genuine question I've had for a long time.

Why can't children be exposed to homosexuality at a young age? You never see girlxgirl or guyxguy action in child-oriented media like movies, tv shows (don't even THINK about disneychannel), etc. Not even a kiss (and when it does happen, CONTROVERSY!). Yet you see happy endings with the guy and girl kissing all the time.

While I see how encouraging guyxgirl is good for the growth of population ( :XD ), some kids just don't like the opposite gender that way and I bet they feel really lonely with their feelings sometimes. What with all these straight people around them.
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The people who don't believe children should be exposed to homosexuality tend to fall into an unintentional mindset that homosexuality is something that happens after children start puberty, as well as being something more 'sexual' than heterosexuality. We know logically that this isn't true, but Western culture (which has forced it's mindset of homosexuality onto other areas of the world) has coded homosexuality as deviant - thus worse.
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Well, im ok with it.

Love is not a thing that has its limits in gender, when you love someone you just love him/her, i sometimes laugh on how people just discriminate what they dont understand, and lets not use the Bible here...since its not the most trusted source ever, heck, it even says that if your son misbehaves you must kill him with stones, GG <_<

Since i studied in an all-male school, a couple of friends ended up turning gay, one of them even has a gf in order to fool his parents(her "gf" is lesbian, ironically).

Colombia is a veeeeery conservative country, homosexualism is really looked down as, specially in the region i live...theyre like...the rednecks of Colombia. A couple of months ago, lesbian couple who were bullied and told the director...ended up expelled from the school(the students even protested in order to expel them).

Also, my oldeeer brother was gay, and my whole family mocked him constantly, sadly he did not had a happy end.
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May 27 2008, 12:14 AM
awg, I hate to be the only person who will say otherwise -_- , but I might as well. Please, no one hate me for this. First off, I dont hate gay people in general, although some have tended to annoy me. I dont have any friends IRL who are gay, but have made a couple on some of the forums I visit.

I tend to be a strong believer in the religion I practice, In which I am LDS, or as the world knows us more by as Mormons. We are against homosexuality and believe it is a sin. Although we think that if a person does not repent for homosexuality and does not change their ways before they die, then they dont go to hell, but simply do not reach the highest kingdom of Heaven. Our religion does not look down on people or hate anyone. We are taught to love are neighbors and enemies. We simply instead of cursing people for their sins, like most religions do, we just try to help people. Because I believe that homosexuality is a choice, although most who are gay believe otherwise, but they just dont relize that they have been slowly pushed or influenced in to it. Homosexuality is not hereditary or is not something picked up at birth.
That is all I will say for now, there is plenty more to it and a lot more I could get into, but I have a hard time expressing it all down in my writing. And sorry to disapoint, but I am not trying to debate about this. Because first of all, I suck at debating and like I said, I have a hard time putting my thoughts down. But secondly I am not trying to be proven wrong, because this is what I believe, and tho some of your arguments might sound great and totally look like they shut my arguments down, I dont care, because maybe I might not be able to say everything I want to, and I have faith in what I follow is true, and my mind will not be changed on the subject.

I agree, and I don't want you to be the only one that will speak against.

I don't hate gay/bi people either, I've met some great people in RL and places like here that aren't straight. But like Xaldin(Jasonic now? :P) I'm also a strong follower of my religion, proud that Jasonic is also, and not seeking a debate or caring if you shoot me down afterwards for the same reasons as Jasonic.

Chrisitanity does not hate anyone, but rather what we do-sinning. I think that although to some it may feel more natural to be gay/bi, it's ultimately your choice on whether you decide to be or not, I think.

Most arguments from there I'm sure everyone's heard already (e.g "Adam and Steve") so I see no point in spitting them out.

In fact this whole debate (or any debate, really) is quite pointless because in the end no-one will change their mind/viewpoint. I'm not going to, I don't expect anyone else to.

But I will add that it's a shame that priests have further ruined the image of Christianity by becoming gay/at least molesting boys. It's disgusting, and if anyone/any group of people could permantly wipe out this happening I'm sure they would, well at least I hope so...
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My humble opinon:

Hetro is the natural way,to let the human race continue,why our sexual organs are haped as they are etc.I agree with whoever said being gay is the same as being in a 'different' group,you have to expect people find it hard to come to terms with.

I myself do not hate homosexuals and have homosexual freinds,what they choose to do is up to them,I simply believe to be gay wether choice or not is the 'different' thing to do,it isnt 'just as natural'.But if it isnt a choice than it should be discriminated against,but nor should it be viewed as the same.
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Voted fine with it, love is love.


Gay people should be treated just like evryone else. If you truly love someone for who they are, thats love to mee, no matter their sexuality.
Im not trying to get people mad, but you gotta think, if GOD made people who are homosexual, he must be a little gay himself. And the church says that god loves and forgives everyone, so why cant people in the churches get over that.
It sounds pretty stupid to me.
Church people hating someone, when GOD loves them,some people are just messed up.(i mean people against Gays).
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May 27 2008, 12:14 AM
awg, I hate to be the only person who will say otherwise -_- , but I might as well. Please, no one hate me for this. First off, I dont hate gay people in general, although some have tended to annoy me. I dont have any friends IRL who are gay, but have made a couple on some of the forums I visit.

I tend to be a strong believer in the religion I practice, In which I am LDS, or as the world knows us more by as Mormons. We are against homosexuality and believe it is a sin. Although we think that if a person does not repent for homosexuality and does not change their ways before they die, then they dont go to hell, but simply do not reach the highest kingdom of Heaven. Our religion does not look down on people or hate anyone. We are taught to love are neighbors and enemies. We simply instead of cursing people for their sins, like most religions do, we just try to help people. Because I believe that homosexuality is a choice, although most who are gay believe otherwise, but they just dont relize that they have been slowly pushed or influenced in to it. Homosexuality is not hereditary or is not something picked up at birth.
That is all I will say for now, there is plenty more to it and a lot more I could get into, but I have a hard time expressing it all down in my writing. And sorry to disapoint, but I am not trying to debate about this. Because first of all, I suck at debating and like I said, I have a hard time putting my thoughts down. But secondly I am not trying to be proven wrong, because this is what I believe, and tho some of your arguments might sound great and totally look like they shut my arguments down, I dont care, because maybe I might not be able to say everything I want to, and I have faith in what I follow is true, and my mind will not be changed on the subject.

I agree, and I don't want you to be the only one that will speak against.

I don't hate gay/bi people either, I've met some great people in RL and places like here that aren't straight. But like Xaldin(Jasonic now? :P) I'm also a strong follower of my religion, proud that Jasonic is also, and not seeking a debate or caring if you shoot me down afterwards for the same reasons as Jasonic.

Chrisitanity does not hate anyone, but rather what we do-sinning. I think that although to some it may feel more natural to be gay/bi, it's ultimately your choice on whether you decide to be or not, I think.

Most arguments from there I'm sure everyone's heard already (e.g "Adam and Steve") so I see no point in spitting them out.

In fact this whole debate (or any debate, really) is quite pointless because in the end no-one will change their mind/viewpoint. I'm not going to, I don't expect anyone else to.

But I will add that it's a shame that priests have further ruined the image of Christianity by becoming gay/at least molesting boys. It's disgusting, and if anyone/any group of people could permantly wipe out this happening I'm sure they would, well at least I hope so...

*Laughs*.

God I hate posting in topics like this, but I just cannot help myself.

One of the first points you made was about the sinning, it's just another way to say you hate them, in my eyes. You hate that they're 'sinning' by being gay, yet that's something you can't change and is a huge part of you as a person. So ultimately, Christians DO hate gay people, however you put it or try to dodge around the word.(Not all Christians, just ones that speak like you) So, Christianity does hate people, yet they follow someone who was meant to be all loving... Hmm. You also prove my point by something you say later on in your post:

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But I will add that it's a shame that priests have further ruined the image of Christianity by becoming gay/at least molesting boys. It's disgusting


First of all, the way you use the slash between gay and molesting young boys, THAT'S disgusting. It's almost as if you're saying it's because they're gay, which is wrong and stupid. Putting that part aside, you're saying they ruin the face of Christianity by being gay, that sounds rather hateful to me. And no one becomes gay, that's just who they are, no matter what anyone says.

Like you said, no ones opinion is going to change. But I don't see how you, and many others, fail to understand something to simple. Being gay isn't a choice, I'm telling you this from personal experience. There is not one time in my life that I’ve sat down and asked myself "Should I be gay or straight?" If I had, I probably wouldn't have chosen to be gay. I mean, why on earth would anyone 'choose' to be gay, when it's a much harder life.(due to religion, mainly) Also, if that theory were true, that also means YOU sat down and asked yourself the same question, which in turn means you could see yourself with another girl, is that correct? If your theory is true, then it means you asked yourself that question, did you?

Homosexuality is a way of life. No ones asking Christianity to bend over backwards and have a gay party, all any gay citizen of the earth wants is to have acceptance, to be able to walk down the street hand in hand without being shunned upon. A lot(not all) Christians are very easy to throw abuse, yet, my god... If you say one bad thing about Religion, WHOA! That's like a crime. You only have to look back at a Heinz Mayonnaise advert that was removed, due to a lot of complaints from Christians. All it had was one kiss between two men, and bang, flooded with complaints.

Please, if that’s not hate, tell me what is.

*Doesn't care if his post is jumbled. Queen Miho was pi**ed off*
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Homosexuality is something that shouldn't even be an issue. I voted for the Love is love one ^_^ . Although I do have personal opinion which some may or may not like, I hope some dont mind. I think gay people are fine its just the way people are made and its who they are, its sick to mistreat someone because their gay or consider them "not to be normal", how do you even distingush someone as normal nowadays as were all different in our own individual way.

However, my only little issue is that I really dont mix with overly gay guys, like, those with really and I 'mean' really feminine ways, just somthing, same with really manly women. If you understand me -_- , but trust me, I dont have a problem. But those who dislike others because their gay as its "against religion" are sinners themselves due to being discriminative against others :angry: .
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I have to agree with everything Miho said. :mellow: It definetly isn't a choice. I have a friend who is gay and absolutley hates it. Yeah, that is kind of weird and difficult for other people to understand it because if you hate it, why don't you just be straight? It's because people are attracted to certain things and can't change it. Why do you tihnk people have different fetishes? It's what they're attracted to.

Second, I'm Christian and all of my family is Christian (plus a little Jewish ^_^). And I'm still completely for gay rights. So I guess you can't say that religion decides if your for or against, it's just one of gay/gay rights main struggles.

And I also hate when gay is used as an insult (same as I feel about using emo that way). It's completely unnecassary and is completely disrespectful. There is no reason that these are bad things. I'd like to hear someone give a reason why its bad to be gay.

That's pretty much it. ^_^
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If one wants to see how homosexuality is portrayed today, check out "Latter Days". It proves and shows the ways homosexuality affects us today...
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