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Topic Started: Sat May 24, 2008 6:10 am (11,342 Views)
Godlikephoenix
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@Greenzaku: Although I see where you are coming from with those ideas, but I think people chose those kinds of careers, the ones that would play along with a stereotype, because they enjoy it, not because they might feel obliged to do so.

Sure, if there were some people from the gay/lesbian community that took up a job like what you stated, they might be taken a little more seriously, but they alone I doubt would be able to bring that kind of equality to the entire community
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Greenzaku
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There's nothing wrong with being an artist or beautician, it's just that pigeonholing is part of discrimination. Like one of the most commonly used phrases used by womens' rights opponents: 'A woman's place is in the home'.

Women have countered this by proving that they can excel in jobs traditionally dominated by men...to me its a simple logic - if they want to be treated as equal to men then they will need to prove themselves as capable. They've largely been succeeding and I think we should follow that example. There's nothing wrong with enjoying being an artist or hairdresser - what is wrong is that I know so many homosexuals who have actually been forced into those roles.

Art talks, but competence walks.The truth is that its only the most militant queer activists that fail to see heterosexuals as individuals responsible for their own accomplishments. People see David Beckham as a good footballer, but he doesn't make all heterosexuals seem like potentially good footballers. But if a hypothetical World Cup footballer came out as gay, people will look at him and realise for the first time that gays can be as good as Beckham. That's what happens when a group is only just able to feel safe enough to come into the spotlight.

On a much grimmer note, respect for homosexuals goes hand in hand with fear. We are really in every occupation, but not always visible. There will always be this dangerous segment of the population that thinks its ok to bash us because they heaven't seen gays beating the ever-loving snot out of them...yet.

Maybe it's just my inner Bishamonten talking though lol.

Edited by Greenzaku, Mon Jan 5, 2009 12:35 pm.
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Mon Jan 5, 2009 4:50 am
I chose the third one

why? because no matter what I do, in my heart, Gays/Lesbians just dont sit well. I mean, I don't care if I see guys hold hands, but actually talking to them is just too akward to me. So I guess you can say im a little bit Homophobic.

Im sorta alright with the fact that they are around, as long as they stay away from me.
Why is it awkward to talk to gay people? I'm curious of the exact source of anxiety.

I also wonder how this extends to people online. Will you refuse to talk to someone at all - or stop an in-progress conversation if you find out that they're gay?
It seems that im the only person who doesnt fully accept homosexuallity...*sigh*


I know its not right to judge people for who they are, but its the way I was born to think that homo= no no

If someone told me they were gay in the middle of a conversation, I would continue talking i guess but my stomach would probably feel sick..

So please, im just sending out my opinion, i dont want to be flamed for this because this is how my mind thinks of these things.
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Greenzaku: I understand what you mean, but I think that no one have to prove anything, in this case. A homosexual man or woman has nothing different from a heterosexual, physically or mentally. A person can be stronger, more creative, have an artistic soul etc., but it depends on the person, not on their sexual preferences. I also think that it's horrible and stupid to ghettoize people depending on their jobs/activities, or ghettoize jobs/activities themselves. I know of talented and promising people who stopped or almost gave up their activities just for fear of being labeled as homosexuals (for example ballet dancers or fashion designers). Whether they really were homosexual or not doesn't matter, that principle is always wrong.

One more thing (not particularly directed at Greenzaku's post). When a person is reliable and/or talented and get their job done, nothing else should be needed. Sexual preferences don't affect work performances, everyone should understand this.

jargen88: I think that, until you give your opinion in a polite and respectful way, no one will flame you here.
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I have a solution

I guess ill try to open up more to them.. here is also another factor

Most homosexuals i see are always Goth/Emo people and those people are odd to me.

but yea ill start to try and become open minded. I just kinda felt bad for saying i dont like homos. Again.. I hope I didnt offend anyone like I said in other topics -_-
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Greenzaku
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Like all things in life, not everyone is gonna like it lol. It's just an opinion, and not a problem at all. Who here loves street evangelists? (as an example) However I share jargen88's opinion when it comes to goth/emo homosexuals. No doubt, goth/emo homosexuals exist, simply because homosexuals are everywhere. What bothers me a bit is that a lot of people into the goth/emo scene actually see homosexuality as a cool factor; I'm betting that the proportion of homosexuals among them is no higher than in the general population...
Maybe its because of the androgynous fashion sense, maybe they equate homosexuality with societal oppression (=reason to emo) etc...but they are doing same-sex bonking in order to boast and get street cred.

That's just twisted.
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jargen88
Wed Jan 7, 2009 6:41 am
I have a solution

I guess ill try to open up more to them.. here is also another factor

Most homosexuals i see are always Goth/Emo people and those people are odd to me.

but yea ill start to try and become open minded. I just kinda felt bad for saying i dont like homos. Again.. I hope I didnt offend anyone like I said in other topics -_-
HOMOS...THEM...as if we were aliens? OK man. i'll just be honest, you're staring to be offensive. i'm gay(if you were not already aware, and not goth or emo), AND i have a black partner, talk about being visually obvious...the big handsome black dude and the tattooed punk weirdo.

look...i've said this before HERE. not all gay men want any guy, straight or otherwise, they can get their hands on. YOU are not black, hence, i DO NOT want YOU. gay men are subject to as many prejudices as straight men are, do you want ALL women? prolly not, do you favor redheads? maybe brunettes? just don't ASSUME that because someone is gay/bi/transgendered they want you sexually, and don't/can't offer you something important. friendship.

i personally, do not fit stereo-type, yet i have many friends that do...i also have equally as many straight friends/couples who are not bothered by my sexuality.

i mean no offense. but please curb your semi-antagonistic posts. it's a brave new world, where no one NEEDS to hate, it's a learned behavior.
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Is it homosexual to want to have sex with ones self?
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Thu Jan 8, 2009 4:41 am
jargen88
Wed Jan 7, 2009 6:41 am
I have a solution

I guess ill try to open up more to them.. here is also another factor

Most homosexuals i see are always Goth/Emo people and those people are odd to me.

but yea ill start to try and become open minded. I just kinda felt bad for saying i dont like homos. Again.. I hope I didnt offend anyone like I said in other topics -_-
HOMOS...THEM...as if we were aliens? OK man. i'll just be honest, you're staring to be offensive. i'm gay(if you were not already aware, and not goth or emo), AND i have a black partner, talk about being visually obvious...the big handsome black dude and the tattooed punk weirdo.

look...i've said this before HERE. not all gay men want any guy, straight or otherwise, they can get their hands on. YOU are not black, hence, i DO NOT want YOU. gay men are subject to as many prejudices as straight men are, do you want ALL women? prolly not, do you favor redheads? maybe brunettes? just don't ASSUME that because someone is gay/bi/transgendered they want you sexually, and don't/can't offer you something important. friendship.

i personally, do not fit stereo-type, yet i have many friends that do...i also have equally as many straight friends/couples who are not bothered by my sexuality.

i mean no offense. but please curb your semi-antagonistic posts. it's a brave new world, where no one NEEDS to hate, it's a learned behavior.
Alright bud listen

All my previous post was trying to tell you was that Ill try to open up.. but you go and get rouled up after I apologized if I offended anyone? Doesn't make sense does it? I dont understand why you are mad at me for not fully understanding Bi's? And also I haven't met one nice homosexual person yet and so far YOU add to the list.

So please dont rampage over my mother f**king post as if I absolutly hate homos because i am trying be open.
Edited by KiniroCorda, Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:47 am.
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Ok, before this starts to get out of hand, please keep things civil, and not resort to any swearing. Jargen, there was no need to say that (the swear word) even though it is censored...you can get you message across just as well without swearing :)

foomin, I know you were just responding to the other posts, but I still dont think thats a reason to go after someone like that, jargen posted his thoughts on the issue, and even though you may not like or agree with what he said, you still have to accept his opinion with an open mind.

@Juice: uhh...im not to sure...I dont think it would be? :mellow:
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Greenzaku
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Juice: Do you fantasize when you masturbate? Well, then it depends on the sex of your fantasy partner(s) in relation to your own lol. Not trying to sound like I know everything here, but this is a solution I've read to the same question elsewhere.
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jargen88
Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:46 am
Alright bud listen

All my previous post was trying to tell you was that Ill try to open up.. but you go and get rouled up after I apologized if I offended anyone? Doesn't make sense does it? I dont understand why you are mad at me for not fully understanding Bi's? And also I haven't met one nice homosexual person yet and so far YOU add to the list.

So please dont rampage over my mother f**king post as if I absolutly hate homos because i am trying be open.
if the post i responded to had been sincere in tone i would not have had as strong a reaction. not once did i feel that jargen felt bad about his previous statements.
he used terms/wording that cast gay folks as outsiders and undesirables~them, homos, those people...i've spent my life trying to get people to NOT look at me as different because of my sexuality and been pretty successful at it. it's very difficult to hear someone casually make hate filled statements. i don't hate all straight folks because some are prejudiced, if he's serious then i commend him, but his previous statements and his "...i just felt kinda bad..." did not convince me.

i'll apologize for going overboard and being harsh, but not for the content of what i said. KW is an easy safe place to get to know gay folks who mean you no harm, it's an open community where most everyone respects each other and tries to get others to understand their P.O.V.
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Greenzaku
Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:51 am
...my partner is male...:/

But I feel that other homosexuals, even in developed countries, are getting their priorities wrong. Marriage rights, social equality, recognition etc are all good things to work towards; but so many homosexuals don't even have basic needs met. What good is the ability to adopt children if we ourselves can't walk safely in the street?

My view is thus a bit unconventional in that we should ignore the rude jokes for now and just focus on becoming a strong presence that is not to be trifled with. This means that gays and lesbians need to take the initiative and step out of the 'pansy' stereotype, branch out into roles that are outside the arts/fashion scene and make themselves known.

Once we rise to power, respect and equality will come.
Ah...that is sooo romantic! :heart: You and your man must be very passionate about each other.
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One thing I think homosexual people should take into account is this. In places like Britain, it's only within the last 40 years that it has become legal, therefore people's minds and opinions are still in the change process. There are still men who were brought up back then, who have children of their own. I think it's a little selfish on some people's part to think that they will be universally accepted. And by that I don't mean that gays should have to put up with abuse, but I do think that they should realise it could be another couple of decades before it is more universally accepted. It's just like Protestants and Catholics are still not accepting each other on a universal basis.
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I don't care if people are gay, I just hate people who do it for attention, they deserve a gid punch to the face so they can buck-up their ideas.

P.S read my message before sending hate-filled replies
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Thu Jan 8, 2009 2:29 pm
jargen88
Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:46 am
Alright bud listen

All my previous post was trying to tell you was that Ill try to open up.. but you go and get rouled up after I apologized if I offended anyone? Doesn't make sense does it? I dont understand why you are mad at me for not fully understanding Bi's? And also I haven't met one nice homosexual person yet and so far YOU add to the list.

So please dont rampage over my mother f**king post as if I absolutly hate homos because i am trying be open.
if the post i responded to had been sincere in tone i would not have had as strong a reaction. not once did i feel that jargen felt bad about his previous statements.
he used terms/wording that cast gay folks as outsiders and undesirables~them, homos, those people...i've spent my life trying to get people to NOT look at me as different because of my sexuality and been pretty successful at it. it's very difficult to hear someone casually make hate filled statements. i don't hate all straight folks because some are prejudiced, if he's serious then i commend him, but his previous statements and his "...i just felt kinda bad..." did not convince me.

i'll apologize for going overboard and being harsh, but not for the content of what i said. KW is an easy safe place to get to know gay folks who mean you no harm, it's an open community where most everyone respects each other and tries to get others to understand their P.O.V.
I still dont get it..

Saying that ill open up is something GOOD. and sorry if my previous posts sound like im talking about an alien or something because im not a very smart person and dont think about my writing personally. I treat all people equal no matter of there orientation.. '' I just felt kinda bad didnt cut it?? What do you want me to do write you an essay of how I should be more considerate for people?? Like i said earlier im not smart and will NOT go to lengths to say im sorry.

I'm not good with words dude, you gotta loosen up your standards of an apology. I have read my previous post over and over and i still dont see what is wrong with it.. or maybe im just blind..

But sorry anyways.
Edited by KiniroCorda, Fri Jan 9, 2009 12:04 am.
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Fri Jan 9, 2009 12:03 am
I'm not good with words dude, you gotta loosen up your standards of an apology. I have read my previous post over and over and i still dont see what is wrong with it.. or maybe im just blind..

But sorry anyways.
that'll do. i appreciate the effort you went to in clarifying.

i will also apologize for being on the defensive, yet it seems everytime there's a big influx of new members, this nasty subject raises it's head. these new members DO NOT read the rules, and come in thinking this is a chatting site where they may socialize and use their everyday common speech and anachronisms/slang and no one will say anything. i cannot count the times i have seen the word "gay" used in a pejorative way in last month or so. it's up to US, the older more responsible thoughtful members to educate the newer ones. that's what i try to do, constantly.

i know i come across as a hard mean person alot of the time, but im old enough that i don't want to see another generation of folks grow up speaking without thinking first. it's a painful thing to think you are among friends and discover that all you have worked towards(the demystification and humanization of homosexuality) has amounted to a new crop of prejudiced individuals. i won't stop trying to get people to see my side of things, nor will i entirely dismiss theirs...IF they can give me reasons that support their suppositions.

anyhow jargen, i hope that you will accept the apology i extend.
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Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:00 pm
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Fri Jan 9, 2009 12:03 am
I'm not good with words dude, you gotta loosen up your standards of an apology. I have read my previous post over and over and i still dont see what is wrong with it.. or maybe im just blind..

But sorry anyways.
that'll do. i appreciate the effort you went to in clarifying.

i will also apologize for being on the defensive, yet it seems everytime there's a big influx of new members, this nasty subject raises it's head. these new members DO NOT read the rules, and come in thinking this is a chatting site where they may socialize and use their everyday common speech and anachronisms/slang and no one will say anything. i cannot count the times i have seen the word "gay" used in a pejorative way in last month or so. it's up to US, the older more responsible thoughtful members to educate the newer ones. that's what i try to do, constantly.

i know i come across as a hard mean person alot of the time, but im old enough that i don't want to see another generation of folks grow up speaking without thinking first. it's a painful thing to think you are among friends and discover that all you have worked towards(the demystification and humanization of homosexuality) has amounted to a new crop of prejudiced individuals. i won't stop trying to get people to see my side of things, nor will i entirely dismiss theirs...IF they can give me reasons that support their suppositions.

anyhow jargen, i hope that you will accept the apology i extend.
All is forgiven

I guess i should go read the rules now before i cause anymore trouble in this forum.
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I'm completely okay with it, and my experiences with it have been fairly good thus far, despite growing up in a community that was borderline conservatism until the last 10 years. If someone likes the same gender, that's perfectly okay with me and I wish them the best of luck in their relationships, just as much as I would for another couple. Granted, I have been hit on by fellow homosexual women, but I feel my reaction was calm and not offensive for them (look, I love men so much that if I was ever turned into a man, I'd still love men XD).

It does disappoint me to still see people who are so bothered by it that they turn into biggots about it (not accusing anyone where in the forums, just from what I see in real life). So what if a woman loves another woman? Or a man loves another man? Or a man loves a woman AND a man (though, not at the same time, that'd be cheating, right?)? Who's it going to hurt? Well, besides potential offspring, but there are ways around that now.

I have a very laid back opinion on the subject, regardless if others agree with me. I'll respect everyone's opinion on the matter, though I hope they'd do the same. Love is love, gender, race, religion and ethnics should have little to do with it.
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Thu Jan 8, 2009 10:01 pm
One thing I think homosexual people should take into account is this. In places like Britain, it's only within the last 40 years that it has become legal, therefore people's minds and opinions are still in the change process. There are still men who were brought up back then, who have children of their own. I think it's a little selfish on some people's part to think that they will be universally accepted. And by that I don't mean that gays should have to put up with abuse, but I do think that they should realise it could be another couple of decades before it is more universally accepted. It's just like Protestants and Catholics are still not accepting each other on a universal basis.
something i think straight folks might want to realize is that there are ALOT more gay/bi/transgendered folks out there than they think. we are everywhere, in every walk of life, even in cultures that hate and revile homosexuality more than the US/UK/Asia, homosexuality has existed as long as there have been humans, and will ALWAYS exist...and acceptance has NEVER been a club-card. legality rarely enters into it.

what do children have to do with homosexuality? it's easily proven that gay parents do not necessarily have gay children. and straight folks often and against religion/prejudice have gay children. that's not a relevant point. only a tiny percentage of homosexual men(compared to straight men) are child molesters, harming a child is about power and control more often than sex. and rarely do men consider themselves gay, even if they are molesting male children.

i think it's a bit selfish that MORE folks don't just say "gay folks mean us no harm, and they bring in an incredible amount of revenue to our FAILING nation(US), so we should quit being evil and hateful and start accepting that homosexuals will not go away, and try to live peaceably amongst ourselves".

*SNORTS* AND, i think i do not care if i am accepted. i have a forum to express what i think, and that is good. i have friends(straight and gay) who are unbothered by my sexuality. i have love, laughter and intelligence in my life. i have someone in my life for whom i would do anything for, and would do the same for me. all these folks who hate, should just LOVE. is'nt that far more important in the long run. if so much time is spent hating, then there will never be any kind of unified nation or world. f.

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Dont like um. They talk like girls and its just gay that they r so open...
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:34 am
Dont like um. They talk like girls and its just gay that they r so open...
Last I recall, not all gays are like that... In fact, that's just a stereotype.
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:34 am
Dont like um. They talk like girls and its just gay that they r so open...
You're kidding right? I don't support homosexuality, but I find that very immature, how is it "gay" to be open anyway?
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Dont like um. They talk like girls and its just gay that they r so open...
You're kidding right? I don't support homosexuality, but I find that very immature, how is it "gay" to be open anyway?
I'm pretty sure he means the way a gay person is open. Suppose how they would prefer their own gender in general (?)

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Last I recall, not all gays are like that... In fact, that's just a stereotype.

You win.
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