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What do you think about astrology?
I believe in it whole heartedly. 3 (8.1%)
I believe it can have some meaning and can be applied, but not the daily horoscopes and stuff of that nature. 11 (29.7%)
I don't believe in it. 23 (62.2%)
Total Votes: 37
Astrology; All rubbish or something to it?
Topic Started: Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:39 pm (1,582 Views)
Ice Prince
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What's your opinion on astrology? Is it all just a farce, or could there actually be something to it?

In my 10+ years of studying it, I've found that it can be applied somewhat. The subject material has always interested me, and I always enjoy learning new things. I'd say the most useful thing to come from astrology are birth charts. Birth charts definitely add some insight to your character, and may be able to explain some of your personality and behavior. I know I had my birth chart done a few years ago, and I was amazed at how insightful it was.

However, daily horoscope stuff I find hard to believe in. I think it's rubbish for the most part, but when you delve a bit further, I think it's worth what you might learn about yourself in the process.

Discuss.
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Jsun
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I don't believe it at all. It's just like palm reading and fortune telling. A lot of people actually believe that Astrology is a form of science, but it's not. It's just a way to give people hope for good things to happen. I do not need someone or some article to tell me how to have a good time and live my life. I can do that on my own :)
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Godlikephoenix
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I dont really believe in it all, but i do find it interesting to some degree. I think some of what theyre saying can be true, but not all of it, a lot of it is just a big hoax, in which they prety much tell you what you want to hear.

I know some people who do read those horoscopes quite regularly, but they dont really take it too much into their lifestyle, so they pretty much just read them for fun :lol:
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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Just like religion, they just think it's true. Despite the illogibility of it.
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Nieil
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Mine is that guy with the arrow... (obvious no astrology knowledge whats so ever).

Some take it really seriously, "Im this, you are that... therefore we couldnt mate... blah, blah," um... Why?
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DrewTheDude-Dono
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They're like that in religion too. :lol:
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Fayt
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I just think it's all a load of garbage, and those that try practice it are often preying on the weak or those with emotional troubles at the time, such as a broken relationship, lost loved one etc.

Then these sharks can get cash for making stuff up - the part where people try 'sell' such services is what irks me, at least religion does not usually go to that length.

I recall a South Park episode making a parody about this kind of thing, it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen since clearly I don't believe in it one bit.

So no, I think it's a load, but of course if people want to believe it then so be it, no skin off my back. I just don't like how some so called 'card readers' etc can cash in on it, because I'm sure there are some in it just for the money and don't even believe it themselves. <_<
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Ice Prince
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Oh most definitely Fayt. I wish people weren't that idiotic either, and yet it happens all the time.

However, I suppose it's just the fascination of it that intrigues me. I wouldn't say I claim it as a religion or anything of that nature, but I've used it to learn a bit more about myself (positively might I add haha) through birth charts and stuff of that nature. There's a bit of truth to it I've found.

I know my sister wasn't very big on it, and then I actually did her chart for her awhile back, and she was floored at how well it described her once she read about what it detailed. Charts aren't very skiddish when it comes to detail of personality, but actually go pretty in depth in alot of areas. I suppose that's what keeps me faithful haha. Then again, that's just me. :P
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SlickSlicer
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Everybody's fates are predetermined by the stars.

PROVE ME WRONG!

Nah, just kidding. Astrology is a load of bull. At best it's primitive, at worst it's a scam. Either way, astrological signs don't determine anything that happens on Earth.
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Aygor
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is "science" based on constellations, wich doesn't really exist. they are massese of stars very far from each other that may assume somehow a "meaning" looked from here, ONLY from here.
astrology is stupid becouse they dont ever consider that space is 3D.
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Cygnus
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Nah I don't believe in it. I saw astrology in my science book. Its just fortune telling. I know that horoscopes are part of astrology.
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As an astrologer (and as someone who's involved with cultural criticism); I think it's important to remember that the majority of people whom have encountered astrology have only been acquainted with the mass-market-bargain-basement astrology that exists. Remember, 90% of everything produced is not nesscarily quality material, and thus it's important to recognize that the majority of astrologically-based material produced is crap.

I'm actually... somewhat uncomfortable discussing this, because the posts in this thread are indicative of a very common attitude towards the practice of astrology - that it's all made-up crap, or that the people who practice it are out to get people. I don't believe I'm out to get people, and I'm certainly not making up what I read. However, I do empathize with those whom have had terrible experiences with astrologers who have less-than-altruistic notions - those people do exist, and I abhor that behaviour because it goes against the entire ethical practice of the work.

I think the first pre-conception that people have when thinking of astrology is that the entire human population is divided into twelve pre-determined personality types that are decided upon at birth. And that's not what it is. There are as many unique astrological charts as there are human beings; and the divisions of signs, planets, and asteroids are also predicated by where one was born. The charts are in no way about the removal of free will - rather than focusing on determined personality traits, they focus on potential strengths that arise in specific contexts.

Saying something like 'Aries are strong-willed and stubborn!' is totally ridiculous and completley self-defeating, because every single person has those traits. Astrology must be approached in a wholistic way and communicated in a wholistic way in order for it to make any sort of sense. You'll know you've come across an astrology product with some merit that approaches it by saying 'The sign of Aries, within modern Western culture, has a way of affecting a person with Aries strong in their chart in this manner'. Even by only recognizing the big 5 signs in a chart (Sun, Moon, Rising, Venus & Mars) is horribly oversimplifying a very potent arithmetic-based system.

The study of astrology is also an interesting mirror for the growth of human society and how different cultures interpret as such, though that's a bit of a tangent. How Chinese Astrology, Japanese Astrology, Tibetan Astrology, Jyotish, and European Astrology all developed is an interesting study for sure.

Of course, Astrology as a practice requires a leap of faith - faith in and of itself is not logical. Nor am I condoning any who don't practice it or even have any respect for the system. But I am saying that it's important to seperate the Astrology that the majority of us encounter in the Newspapers and the like with the practice of Astrologists.

And really - if you're using Astrology to try and convince yourself or trick yourself into being happy, then it won't work in the long run. That is a psychological & personal dilemma that one has to have the will to work out on their own.
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Everytime I look at the most vague astrologies in the paper I laugh, especially when they state to get a more detailed reading, ring this number and your fate will be revealed (even tinier print, calls cost $4.95 a minutes, mobile phone may (as in will) cost extra).
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I've always thought that Astrology is a method of stereotyping people and their habits depending on the stars as they say. I disagree with this notion as it becomes a nature/nurture debate as the future is already written.

For me, the future is rather dependent on the person, not what is pre-determined. But if you believe in it hard enough, it WILL come true.
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Bai Xue
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I think that people shouldn't need astrology and horoscopes and whatever - you should learn who you are (and who other people are etc) without that sort of stuff. And as for futures and whatever... well that's really uneeded too. If it's made up rubbish, you'll be conned. If it's not, you could end up forming a dangerous need for info.
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Jsun
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I can easily understand astrology working in ancient times with past civilizations, but in modern society it serves little purpose (Horoscopes...etc)
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T.e.n
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Well, of course. Most people assume that as a practice, it fits into the Esteem category of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs, when it actually exists within the top category (arguably the second category as well (in the context of morality)). That being said, it has about as much "use" as religion or social areas of study - it's not functional, but it's a study.
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Musou
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@T.e.n: I don't mean any disrespect in what I am about to say but I'm just curious and you, being an expert in the area, might have some answers for me.

What I can’t get my head around is how the position of the stars on a person’s date of birth could have ANY lasting effect on that person. It would either be the result of the parents’ decision or just by chance. There must be hundreds – if not thousands – of people who have the same astrological sign and there are so many variables that influence that person’s context. And if there were ‘as many unique astrological charts as there are human beings’ what would be the use of categorising them by the astrological signs?

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'The sign of Aries, within modern Western culture, has a way of affecting a person with Aries strong in their chart in this manner'.


Societies and cultures change but stars do not change – not in the same way at least. I don’t see how the stars in Western Culture are any different to the stars in any other culture.

Also, how can an “Arithmetic-based system” require faith?
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@T.e.n: I don't mean any disrespect in what I am about to say but I'm just curious and you, being an expert in the area, might have some answers for me.

What I can’t get my head around is how the position of the stars on a person’s date of birth could have ANY lasting effect on that person. It would either be the result of the parents’ decision or just by chance. There must be hundreds – if not thousands – of people who have the same astrological sign and there are so many variables that influence that person’s context. And if there were ‘as many unique astrological charts as there are human beings’ what would be the use of categorising them by the astrological signs?

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'The sign of Aries, within modern Western culture, has a way of affecting a person with Aries strong in their chart in this manner'.


Societies and cultures change but stars do not change – not in the same way at least. I don’t see how the stars in Western Culture are any different to the stars in any other culture.

Also, how can an “Arithmetic-based system” require faith?
:lol: Well, I'm no expert in the subject - but I'll try my best to answer your questions.

Well, that's the thing. There are many people who have the same sun sign; but every single birth chart is unique to the individual. A birth chart is a chart that recognizes where every single notable asteroid, planet, and angles was determined at the specific time of birth (including year) and the location you were at. Because no two people can exist in the exact same spot at the exact same time, there are no duplicate charts. Because charts are also time-based, astrology as a practise becomes incredibly contextual.

The focus of categorizing them in specific signs are because the Zodiac in and of itself form the narrative of the journey of the human condition, in the same manner that the major Arcana of Western Tarot form the narrative of human life.

The stars themselves aren't different, but the way each culture reads the connections between stars and planets. It's the same reason why the Han Chinese have a different relationship with the Dragon than the Scottish & Irish do. It's why Canadian & American individuals have a predominately different way of interpreting shooting stars then the Japanese. Because cultures developed in different, meaningful ways. That's why Jyotish is different from Five-Step Astrology is different from Western Astrology.

It requires a leap of faith in the same manner that religion does - scientifically, there is no way to pinpoint direct visceral connections between readings determined on what we see in the sky and our behaviour on earth. There's no direct physical connection.
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I think it could be studied hypothetically without expecting much.

I won't believe in astrology until it could be experimentally proven. Unlike concepts such as free will, God, and the soul (which could be proven by reason), astrology's only hope is that an experiment could show that it works. Even if it does work, astrology could not possibly exercise complete control over a person's situation. :mellow:
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keijimasters
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i believe that some of the stuff is true cus some of that stuff that i have read has happened with me
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It is nothing more than a mind game. If you have any believe in it, then your subconcience will have you thinking it is true.

If you thought I had the power to give advice on things unforseen. I could say to you, Tomorrow, you will meet a beutiful woman. What will happen is you will make the prediction come true. You will see a woman that is good looking and go out of your way to meet her, or you will meet one by accident, and say to yourself, IT CAME TRUE.

In other words you self fullfill your prophecy.
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keijimasters
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It is nothing more than a mind game. If you have any believe in it, then your subconcience will have you thinking it is true.

If you thought I had the power to give advice on things unforseen. I could say to you, Tomorrow, you will meet a beutiful woman. What will happen is you will make the prediction come true. You will see a woman that is good looking and go out of your way to meet her, or you will meet one by accident, and say to yourself, IT CAME TRUE.

In other words you self fullfill your prophecy.
hmm never thought of it that way wow :blink:
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Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:42 am
It is nothing more than a mind game. If you have any believe in it, then your subconcience will have you thinking it is true.

If you thought I had the power to give advice on things unforseen. I could say to you, Tomorrow, you will meet a beutiful woman. What will happen is you will make the prediction come true. You will see a woman that is good looking and go out of your way to meet her, or you will meet one by accident, and say to yourself, IT CAME TRUE.

In other words you self fullfill your prophecy.
hmm never thought of it that way wow :blink:
But what about those people who would go completely out of their own way just to disprove what the 'prophecy' says just to be completely cynical? would it not come true because of that, or would it be true just because they wanted it not to?
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The Trojan Horse
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Your still allowing your own sub-conseance to lead you by the nose. It has nothing to do with the prediction. It is all you. OR it just happens.

Most things in live are, you know. Just chance. Many that claim to be Christians make this statement "all things are for a reason". But if they took the time to read thier own bibles, they would learn a interesting truth.

Ecclesiastes: 9:11 later part of the verse. "because time and unforseen ocurrence befall them all". Or as Forest Gump would say "S**t happens".
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