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KW Forum Discussion; KW forum issues, problems etc.
Topic Started: Jun 7 2008, 07:28 AM (7,766 Views)
King Of Wei	Jun 11 2008, 01:26 PM Post #26
Why do they even bother!!!! Posts: 2,393 Group: Members Member #9,380 Joined: August 25, 2007	Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:22 PM No :mellow: That doesn't even look real, honestly KoW. This question would have been better suited somewhere else. Lina you have fooled one person! I wasn't asking you <_< ....Anyways I knew it wasn't real, I was just checking....and it doesn't look fake....
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Astus	Jun 11 2008, 01:29 PM Post #27
Frakkin' Toaster Posts: 2,755 Group: Admins Member #8,568 Joined: July 17, 2007 Gender Male	King Of Wei Jun 11 2008, 10:26 PM Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:22 PM No :mellow: That doesn't even look real, honestly KoW. This question would have been better suited somewhere else. Lina you have fooled one person! I wasn't asking you <_< ....Anyways I knew it wasn't real, I was just checking....and it doesn't look fake.... Who the hell were you asking then? No need to be so snappish and he obviously isn't in the game. Clear?
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King Of Wei	Jun 11 2008, 01:30 PM Post #28
Why do they even bother!!!! Posts: 2,393 Group: Members Member #9,380 Joined: August 25, 2007	Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:29 PM King Of Wei Jun 11 2008, 10:26 PM Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:22 PM No :mellow: That doesn't even look real, honestly KoW. This question would have been better suited somewhere else. Lina you have fooled one person! I wasn't asking you <_< ....Anyways I knew it wasn't real, I was just checking....and it doesn't look fake.... Who the hell were you asking then? No need to be so snappish and he obviously isn't in the game. I was asking the person who I quoted....That was kind of obvious
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Crimsondramon	Jun 11 2008, 01:32 PM Post #29
Ujiyasu is not impressed Posts: 5,567 Group: Global Moderators Member #5,870 Joined: March 1, 2007 Gender Male	But it's obvious it's not real. You don't have to ask the person right? C'mon.
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Astus	Jun 11 2008, 01:33 PM Post #30
Frakkin' Toaster Posts: 2,755 Group: Admins Member #8,568 Joined: July 17, 2007 Gender Male	King Of Wei Jun 11 2008, 10:30 PM Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:29 PM King Of Wei Jun 11 2008, 10:26 PM Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:22 PM No :mellow: That doesn't even look real, honestly KoW. This question would have been better suited somewhere else. Lina you have fooled one person! I wasn't asking you <_< ....Anyways I knew it wasn't real, I was just checking....and it doesn't look fake.... Who the hell were you asking then? No need to be so snappish and he obviously isn't in the game. I was asking the person who I quoted....That was kind of obvious This might sound foreign and all but there is this thing called PM, it is used if you want to ask a specific member a question. By posting here you have to expect a different person to answer and you've got your answer so the matter is closed. If you want further clarification or just won't accept an answer then PM her...
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King Of Wei	Jun 11 2008, 01:34 PM Post #31
Why do they even bother!!!! Posts: 2,393 Group: Members Member #9,380 Joined: August 25, 2007	Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:33 PM King Of Wei Jun 11 2008, 10:30 PM Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:29 PM King Of Wei Jun 11 2008, 10:26 PM Astus Jun 11 2008, 12:22 PM No :mellow: That doesn't even look real, honestly KoW. This question would have been better suited somewhere else. Lina you have fooled one person! I wasn't asking you <_< ....Anyways I knew it wasn't real, I was just checking....and it doesn't look fake.... Who the hell were you asking then? No need to be so snappish and he obviously isn't in the game. I was asking the person who I quoted....That was kind of obvious This might sound foreign and all but there is this thing called PM, it is used if you want to ask a specific member a question. By posting here you have to expect a different person to answer and you've got your answer so the matter is closed. If you want further clarification or just won't accept an answer then PM her... Thanks and yeah that is what I will do next time.....
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Red Knight	Jun 11 2008, 01:58 PM Post #32
1948-2009: THE GRAND SLAM DREAM LIVES ON! Posts: 6,547 Group: Members Member #1,747 Joined: April 28, 2006	What was so wrong with the Recents Complaints thread(apart from all the "Why is topic moved" stuff)? How come my warn level hasn't been lowered? @SRS: I did ask why some users were banned(Socc3r4 for one). If there's no topic called Discussion of Mod Actions(which there should be by now) then ask another mod to make one Good job with the staff shift.
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Fayt	Jun 11 2008, 03:21 PM Post #33
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	SlickSlicer Jun 11 2008, 09:09 PM Quote: Pfft, so you've never discussed a warning on MSN? I honestly doubt that, you can moan about what I say there as much as you like, feel free to. But if you want to take a formal approach you are welcome to PM a staff member about it, a bullsit warning has never stuck on KW, and never will. So debating about it, is again pointless. Uh...yeah I have. But what does that have to do with anything at all? And that's not what I was talking about either. facepalm* Slick But if they want to talk or others want to talk about said warnings, they should be able to. Remember saying this? Talking on MSN, via PM etc to other members about warnings is a clear way to discuss it with other members. [insert facepalm here to look even cooler] -------------- Slick Mods don't do warning removals EVER anymore. As far as I know, I'm the only mod who's ever done that. Slick That doesn't count. It was an illegitimate warning to begin with, and I thought we were discussing warnings being removed for good behavior. As far as I know, the mods do not remove warnings for good behavior anymore. Also of note is the fact that despite that warning being removed, the log still states, under the removal note by the way, that I was warned. And this was despite the fact that the warning was an illegitimate ex-post facto attack on me. Of course it counts, making a blanket statement saying warnings never get reduced is false, as we do have the ability to remove unwarranted warnings. Although I noticed the log is still there, unfortunately IF doesn't give me the ability to remove that, IF is not perfect. But, we all know those swearing rules were bllshit anyway, so that single note will not be held against you. ------------- Slick You failed to argue my point. I stated that you don't have statistics to back it up, and you continue to argue the same point without statistics. You do not have statistics to back up your point. All I have from you is hearsay, which would not hold up anywhere, in court or in a real debate, stating what members want. Unless you show me proof that what you said is the case, you are just repeating yourself in a redundant manner. You can parrot what you said before as much as you want, but you still* have no definite facts that show that the majority of members do not want their warnings discussed. You have no polls, no surveys, no statistics, no quoted member responses, nothing. I won't believe you until you do. Yet, you have no facts to support your view either? My post is no more hearsay then this. Slick Your next reply needs more logos and less ethos. To appease you perhaps, but this is all pretty much irrelevant. So unless we cut out the nonsense debate and raise some actual questions rather then try pick apart each others posts we are achieving nothing more then breaking our own boredom and frustration. Slick Beware, I am not saying that you are wrong. I am merely saying that you have nothing to show that you are right. Nothing but hearsay and belief bias. Likewise, so perhaps we should just leave it at that, Slick. Red Knight What was so wrong with the Recents Complaints thread(apart from all the "Why is topic moved" stuff)? It gave off the wrong impression, we wanted a topic that could deal with any forum issues, not just complaints, the replacement was essentially to broaden the range of the topic, and to eliminate "that is not a complaint, therefore it a redundant post" situations. We would like to go a step further and try to also resolve any genuine complaints out in the open, not just listen to them and provide PM responses. Red Knight How come my warn level hasn't been lowered? Because at the moment warnings are not to be reduced per staff rulings, unless they were incorrectly issued in the first place. Red Knight If there's no topic called Discussion of Mod Actions(which there should be by now) then ask another mod to make one There is already ample opportunity for members to critique what the staff do, such as the "What you dislike about KW topic", this very topic and you could always post concerns over moderator actions via PM. I don't believe moderators should be in a position to hang out to dry over an occasional mistake, it would be quite harsh. Moderators have a right to some privacy just as members do you know. Red Knight Good job with the staff shift. Thanks.
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Red Knight	Jun 11 2008, 04:24 PM Post #34
1948-2009: THE GRAND SLAM DREAM LIVES ON! Posts: 6,547 Group: Members Member #1,747 Joined: April 28, 2006	I wouldn't really be one of those people to "hang someone out to dry" over a mistake. It's not like you can't supervise mods... Are the swearing rules still in force??
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SlickSlicer	Jun 11 2008, 11:50 PM Post #35
- Posts: 3,367 Group: Banned Member #7,082 Joined: April 29, 2007	Quote: Remember saying this? Talking on MSN, via PM etc to other members about warnings is a clear way to discuss it with other members. [insert facepalm here to look even cooler] Yeah I do remember saying that, but what does it have to do with anything? >_< My whole point was that members should be able to use any mediums they want to talk about their warnings, whether said channels be the forum, private messaging or MSN. I still am confused as to what you're trying to get at. Members' ability to talk about warnings over MSN does not preclude anything. They should be able to talk about warnings on MSN or via PM. Quote: Of course it counts, making a blanket statement saying warnings never get reduced is false, as we do have the ability to remove unwarranted warnings. Although I noticed the log is still there, unfortunately IF doesn't give me the ability to remove that, IF is not perfect. But, we all know those swearing rules were bllshit anyway, so that single note will not be held against you. Ok, you and I were talking about 2 different things. I was talking about removing warnings for good behavior. You were talking about removing warnings in general, including warnings that shouldn't have been given in the first place and were instead slapped on due to moderator fallacy. As for warnings, on this account I've gotten one from SWCJ, which should have been kept separate from the forum, and another one for arguing about my SWCJ warning in a snide manner OVER PRIVATE MESSAGING WITH A MOD (so it didn't even affect the rest of the forum!). So those two are bullsht too, and should be reduced. If anything they should be added on to my Koei Warriors Conquerors account, since that site is now used for the Warriors Conquer games that are irrelevant to this forum. Quote: Yet, you have no facts to support your view either? My post is no more hearsay then this But I'm not making a point! I'm simply arguing your's. You're the one that said that members would prefer to keep things over private messaging. I'm asking you to prove it, and you're not doing it! Stop trying to silence me. This is a forum discussion, and I'm arguing issues about the forum. This discussion is perfectly relevant. Quote: Neither did you.� The burden of proof rests on you, Slick, since you claimed forum members would want to talk about warnings and bans.� Show us proof, then?� Pointing to yourself is not sufficient. daer ot nrael, cixelsyd era uoy kniht i Slick I think member warnings or bans should be allowed to be freely discussed on the forum. Quit with the secrecy nonsense. Fayt There is no need to discuss warnings as most of the time the member who received a warning would like to keep it as quiet as possible and simply move on with posting on the forum. Members do indeed has a right to privacy as Manji stated. There is only ever a minority that wish to take matters further, if any member wishes to they are welcome to do so privately via PM. From there any action will be taken as required, and if necessary a warning removal may take place - this has happened a few times in the past as well. HE MADE THE CLAIM! NOT ME! Next time you charge in a debate, know what the hell you're talking about. The burden of proof rests with him since he made a claim! I didn't goddammit! srs All I have from you is hearsay, which would not hold up anywhere, in court or in a real debate, stating what members want. Unless you show me proof that what you said is the case, you are just repeating yourself in a redundant manner. For christsakes! I didn't make a claim! He did. I don't have to prove myself, because I didn't try to state something without any facts to back myself up. He stated something without showing ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. I never stated that members definitely prefer to have their warnings be discussed. I simply said that members should be able to discuss them, and that Fayt had no proof to show that members wanted to keep things hushed up. Here's your fallacy. You think that because I'm arguing Fayt's claim, it means I'm making the opposite claim. I'm not doing that. Not once did I say, without any proof mind you, because I would have none if I were to say it, that members prefer to have their warnings be discussed. i never said that! Fayt said the opposite, but I never made an antithetical blanket statement without proof! The person who makes a claim has to provide proof to back it up. This is how it works with historical discussions. This is how it works in a debate. This is how it works in a court of law, where the prosecuting side needs to have proof BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT to get a conviction. Fayt made a claim. Now he has to back it up. I don't have to back up the opposite side to his claim. I can simply argue his claim by pointing out that he has yet to show any proof to support it. Thus, it is an unverified claim. An unverified claim is like a car without an engine. You can make it, but it won't work. SRS I don't ever recall a Warning ever removed for good behavior. It may have happened in the past, but some time ago Chin and a few senior mods updated the forum rules and also the guidelines the mods have to follow, and one stipulation was that Warnings could not be lifted anymore. I didn't even think erroneous Warns were allowed to be lifted according to it. If while you had been staff you had lifted a Warning from someone, that would have been when there was no ruling against it and it was your own prerogative to lift it, not the collective staff. Yes, that's my whole point. I'm saying that the decision to never lift warnings is stupid. I did it while I was a mod, and a few of the members who's warnings I lifted thanked me, said I was fair for doing it, and promised to be better. Granted it doesn't work in every case, but the goddamn problem with this world is that instead of a system of punishments and rewards, most societies simply have a system of punishments. There can't be progress if there is no balance. There can only be stagnation and the maintanence of a maladjusted status quo. Now please, for the love of Christ, stop buffing yourselves up and stating that I am obligated to prove a point I didn't make. Like I said, your post, Fayt, needs more logos and less ethos. You stated that members prefer not to talk about their warnings. NOW PROVE IT. If you can't prove it, then your claim is unverified at best and at worst illegitimate.



lmay19	Jun 12 2008, 12:47 AM Post #36
;p Posts: 2,740 Group: Members Member #246 Joined: January 2, 2006	Anyone who actually takes the time to read a post like ^this^ has wasted their time. No offense slick, I'm just talking about this pointless arguing that people like you make long posts out of. I see little's changed since I left the staff. Same old unnecesary topic-moving, wall-of-texting/line-by-line quoting, warn-happy & spam-blocking nazis who are still bickering back and forth over issues nobody cares about. Popcorn, anyone?



Seraphil	Jun 12 2008, 12:49 AM Post #37
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel? Posts: 3,811 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	SlickSlicer Jun 11 2008, 10:50 PM daer ot nrael, cixelsyd era uoy kniht i No, you are, you said so yourself. I'm just tired and have a cloudy, annoyed mind. Quote: HE MADE THE CLAIM! NOT ME! Next time you charge in a debate, know what the hell you're talking about. The burden of proof rests with him since he made a claim! I didn't goddammit! You made the suggestion that warnings and bans should be discussed on the forum. I'm asking you to provide reasons WHY. I don't support Fayt's reasoning against it either, but you still made the first point. Quote: Yes, that's my whole point. I'm saying that the decision to never lift warnings is stupid. I did it while I was a mod, and a few of the members who's warnings I lifted thanked me, said I was fair for doing it, and promised to be better. Granted it doesn't work in every case, but the goddamn problem with this world is that instead of a system of punishments and rewards, most societies simply have a system of punishments. There can't be progress if there is no balance. There can only be stagnation and the maintanence of a maladjusted status quo. I personally agree.
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necrosis	Jun 12 2008, 01:16 AM Post #38
Watching and waiting... Posts: 2,238 Group: Members Member #1,706 Joined: April 26, 2006	Jin Jun 11 2008, 05:47 PM Anyone who actually takes the time to read a post like ^this^ has wasted their time. No offense slick, I'm just talking about this pointless arguing that people like you make long posts out of. I see little's changed since I left the staff. Same old unnecesary topic-moving, wall-of-texting/line-by-line quoting, warn-happy & spam-blocking nazis who are still bickering back and forth over issues nobody cares about. Popcorn, anyone? AMEN brothasisterbrotha. Its always gonna be the same ol same ol around here. Anyways, wenches should be able to talk about bannings or warnings if they want, that's what I think. Also, I think Chin should give in to my demands and give me admin if he knows what's good for him.
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SlickSlicer	Jun 12 2008, 01:17 AM Post #39
- Posts: 3,367 Group: Banned Member #7,082 Joined: April 29, 2007	Quote: You made the suggestion that warnings and bans should be discussed on the forum. I'm asking you to provide reasons WHY. I already stated why. I think this forum needs to quit with the secrecy "bullsht." To elaborate more: I think secrecy just makes the forum more elitist. I think members should have more of a say in things, and be able to speak about anything freely, for the most part. And before you spout out those infamous asshle mod lines: "This is not a democracy," read this. To make it easier for you, I'll quote exactly what I'm referring to- ED This Is Not A Democracy - a phrase invoked when a moderator has been seriously pwned for making a crap decision, and will not (or, more likely, cannot) justify the decision in public. Lets just take this to PM - When a moderator has been called out for being a faggot and a nazi. Rather then face the masses and actually admit to being an epic failure, they hide behind the cozy barrier of a PM and hide from the public like bitches. Now that I've explained myself, it's time for Fayt to explain himself, already. Quote: No, you are, you said so yourself. I'm just tired and have a cloudy, annoyed mind. I think I said before that I was dickslexus. Although, that was pretty much a joke. I used to have trouble reading, but I'm not sure if I'm actually dyslexic.



Seraphil	Jun 12 2008, 01:51 AM Post #40
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel? Posts: 3,811 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	This IS a Democracy. Or at least it should be. Somewhat.
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Divine Justice	Jun 12 2008, 02:01 AM Post #41
L's True Successor Posts: 1,516 Group: Members Member #632 Joined: February 9, 2006 Gender Male	SlickSlicer Jun 11 2008, 06:50 PM As for warnings, on this account I've gotten one from SWCJ, which should have been kept separate from the forum, and another one for arguing about my SWCJ warning in a snide manner OVER PRIVATE MESSAGING WITH A MOD (so it didn't even affect the rest of the forum!). So those two are bullsh*t too, and should be reduced. If anything they should be added on to my Koei Warriors Conquerors account, since that site is now used for the Warriors Conquer games that are irrelevant to this forum. I let you know in advance and gave you several verbal warnings before any actual warnings. You can't deny that it's your own fault that the warning increased in the first place. With that said, we'd have to discuss as a team whether to remove those two warnings from your account. I can see where you're coming from with this, but who knows if everyone else would...=/
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SlickSlicer	Jun 12 2008, 02:44 AM Post #42
- Posts: 3,367 Group: Banned Member #7,082 Joined: April 29, 2007	I know, I know. But they're still for forum games, and don't really have anything to do with the actual forum. Hence I said I'd rather have them transferred over to the relevant board.



Fabian	Jun 12 2008, 04:22 AM Post #43
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Fayt	Jun 12 2008, 06:12 AM Post #44
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	SlickSlicer Jun 12 2008, 10:17 AM Now that I've explained myself, it's time for Fayt to explain himself, already. I've got nothing to explain, you�re just posting a whole bunch of nonsense with very little relevance. I tire of the eye picking games. The only reason I responded to you in such a fashion was to emphasise that some of your points were misleading (such as warning removals etc). Two can play that game but it doesn�t really achieve anything, does it? This is a KOEI games discussion forum, not a courtroom, so let's cut out the crap and get straight to the point, which appears to be these two things. 1) I think we should be able to openly discuss warnings etc on the forum, because �reason�. 2) I think warnings should be able to be removed for good behaviour, because �reason�. Now, both of those are relevant points and both have merit � particularly the 2nd point, I won�t deny that but they are currently against the rules which were last reconstructed by admin and the staff team of late last year, early this year, obviously. When the next ruling review happens both of these matters will no doubt be considered, so thank you for raising your concerns. However, repeating yourself time and time again is not going to achieve anything, I've lost count of how many times you've eluded to those two points in a round about way, we get it Slick, you don't like those two things. So if you have any other reasonable questions/feedback I�ll be happy to listen to them, and respond to them the best I can.
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Naoto Shirogane	Jun 12 2008, 11:46 AM Post #45
Won't be on KW for a while, I'm gonna miss everyone!! Posts: 499 Group: Members Member #9,796 Joined: September 19, 2007 Gender Female	I went to change my p.photo, then this showed up "No access permissions Sorry, the board administrator has not enabled your permissions for this part of the control panel. " What's up with that?
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zenkokuku	Jun 12 2008, 11:50 AM Post #46
Posts: 4,284 Group: Members Member #7,714 Joined: June 2, 2007	Wow, I'm getting the same message. Quote: Sorry, the board administrator has not enabled your permissions for this part of the control panel.



KOEI Warriors	Jun 12 2008, 01:05 PM Post #47
_root.admin Posts: 0 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: August 11, 2005	Upload your photo to imageshack.us and paste the URL into this field "Enter a URL to an online photo image" it should work.



Fayt	Jun 12 2008, 01:05 PM Post #48
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	As for the Photo thing, it appears some of the user group settings were changed. Anyway, I believe I fixed it and it should work property again now.
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Korin	Jun 12 2008, 09:05 PM Post #49
I don't need a Member Title. Posts: 433 Group: Banned Member #13,363 Joined: February 17, 2008	Yeah I got that message too. Thanks for fixing it, Fayt!



Naoto Shirogane	Jun 13 2008, 01:57 AM Post #50
Won't be on KW for a while, I'm gonna miss everyone!! Posts: 499 Group: Members Member #9,796 Joined: September 19, 2007 Gender Female	Thanks for fixing it guys and sorry for the trouble
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