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Badly made review of DW6
Topic Started: Jun 9 2008, 03:43 AM (2,167 Views)
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A really bad review of DW6, it seems so biased and is lacking depth.

I would just like to know your opinions about this.

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Long time member, first time poster, welcome! :)

And heh, more bashing reviews eh?

I like how from the very first sentence they already fail, miserably.

"The main reason why it's hard to love Dynasty Warriors 6 is this: redundancy repetitive action. Since the first Dynasty Warriors game, it's been the same, tired formula."

I'd love to know how a vs. fighting game can be compared to a large scale hackn' slash game??

Overall a very repetitive, tired and boring review, the lack of detail makes it redundant as far as I'm concerned. :/
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I love the repetitiveness of DW! If they change too much then it's not Dynasty Warriors! It's like playing Kirby and getting rid of his ability to inhale enemies! It's not the same! I love Dynasty Warriors for it's repetitiveness I hope they don't change too much!
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Wow, that was the most wasted 2 minutes of my life. <_<
Seriously, crap like this comes around to often that I just ignore this load of bull altogether, I don't care if its repetitive, I'll play the game to my heart's content.
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Meh, It's just another bad review. Warriors games have been pounded since DW4. It is a terrible review that barely even mentions some of the key gameplay elements like ambushes and the skill tree, and it does still sicken me. However I'm used to them attacking DW so mercilessly and I'll live with it. I just hope nobody out there listens to this garbage.
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Long time member, first time poster, welcome! :)



Thanks Fayt, and everyone.

I'll have a fruitful time here in this wonderful website and its forum
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lol...that's fanservice for you. They gave it a 1 in every category. That's not even possible. I have a very hard time believing this idiot even played the game. They're just going through the motions of the DW-hatr3d fad.
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I haven't played DW6 in ages ._. I might have a go on it tonight...

Anyway, on-topic. Nearly all games are repetitive if you think about it. Games like Soul Calibur and Tekken are repetitive, all characters have had the same moves for the whole series, and it's always been 1on1. Call Of Duty is always running around shooting. The Football games are ALWAYS the same. I mean come on, nearly all games are repetitive really, it's just the Western gaming world seems to hate Dynasty Warriors. It's just ridiculous v_v .
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A bit cynical, but dead on.

What's DW supposed to be, an action game or a battlefield sim? If I wanted action, I'd play Devil May Cry, and if I wanted a battlefield sim...well there aren't many out there worth a damn. But if a battlefield sim is what Koei was aiming for, the reviewer is damn right to point out that after so many iterations, Koei has yet to perfect its craft. DW doesn't even begin to grasp the mechanics of a battlefield game, and it's shallow for Koei to think that just because there's a whole hell of a lot of troops on screen, it automatically feels like I'm fighting a war. The only thing that's wrong about this review is that there's been 18(!) DW games and spin-offs, not just 6.

Make no mistake, DW isn't just all boring. It's fun sometimes, and there is a certain charm to it. In retrospect, however, having 18 iterations of the same game with no significant changes in game mechanics must either mean Koei's afraid to innovate, or the company thinks its fans are a bunch of retards...likely both.
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I have not played DW6, I have only seen 1 video of DW6 AGES ago, so I must ask you guys, is the camera now "dizzying" like he says? If so then that's a new problem. :blink: In previous games the camera hardly moves at all until YOU move it and it only followed your character.
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What's DW supposed to be, an action game or a battlefield sim?

Neither. It's a historical-based beat 'em up. "Action" has always been too broad a term, I feel. I would personally class it as a "historical-based, free-roam beat 'em up, fighting game."

I never understood this incessant desire for so-called "significant change." What the hell is "significant?" It seems changing characters/movesets, adding new gameplay systems that can and has totally changed some players' method of play, are not "significant." Yet that seems more than enough for various fighting games and FPS. So what's significant?" Changing the core gameplay? If you changed Halo from a FPS into a JRPG-style game, is it Halo anymore?
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What's DW supposed to be, an action game or a battlefield sim?

Neither. It's a historical-based beat 'em up. "Action" has always been too broad a term, I feel. I would personally class it as a "historical-based, free-roam beat 'em up, fighting game."

I never understood this incessant desire for so-called "significant change." What the hell is "significant?" It seems changing characters/movesets, adding new gameplay systems that can and has totally changed some players' method of play, are not "significant." Yet that seems more than enough for various fighting games and FPS. So what's significant?" Changing the core gameplay? If you changed Halo from a FPS into a JRPG-style game, is it Halo anymore?

Change in gameplay mechanics? Easy.

- How about making it look like there is consistency to how troops move, so that it isn't just a mass of characters flooding around chaotically? Even Assassin's Creed had patrol parties move in groups, with a leader at its head. As you interrupt that group, the enemies dispersed their formation to surround and fight you.

- How about changing the fighting mechanics by adding a physics system/dynamic decals, so that striking enemies into other enemies is believably realistic? That'll enhance the way you fight by making you consider the direction of every blow.

- How about changing weapon deadlocks to a system of parries, ala Blood Will Tell?

There's so many things that can be changed, but Koei doesn't take the initiative. Instead they introduce a Renbu system after 5 previous DW titles, and in return they strip away much of the replayability with its character downgrades. If Koei just took the time to include the BEST of what they have to offer, then introduce improvements to gameplay mechanics with every new DW title, then maybe they'll been seen as something other than a half-assed developer. As far as I can tell Koei is the number one publisher I know for being able to milk a single product so much to death. They've thrown out more titles in the same amount of time than even Capcom with Street Fighter. Now that's something.

And for the record, a lot of changes have happened in the FPS genre. Gameplay changes too. Just look them up. There's cover systems, weapon modifications, weapon sights, physics systems that affect gameplay ala gravity gun, melee fighting mechanics, not to mention squad-based gameplay, ala Rainbow Six Vegas. But even if gameplay changes are minimal for a particular title, there's the added bonus of immersion and storyline. But because DW games have the same storyline to stick with, it gets older much more quickly. Even if in FPS games you're always point and shooting, it's all about HOW. The experience can be drastically different. Try comparing Rainbow Six Vegas to Unreal Tournament. One's tactical, the other is deathmatch based. Totally different experience. But with DW, for all I know, the HOW aspect never changes. When I play SW2, it feels like I'm playing SW1, which feels like I'm playing DW4, etc.
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Eh, the review may have a point more of the same thing, but the delivery and effort into the review is woeful.

I like many know that KOEI are certainly not the most innovative out there, in fact they are far from it. KOEI are in a bit of a niche with these games and are essentially taking full advantage of that.

That is not necessarily a good thing, but they are not stupid, they must be making a butt load of money out of it and are doing enough to make several of the fans, myself included to be interested in the next title and get to have another fix of some hackn' slash action. I also appreciate how their titles are also well below the average retail price of other games like Assassin's Creed as so forth as Kongming pointed out. In Australia many new games retail at around $100-$120, Warriors titles however normally retail around $60-$80 - you get what you pay for.

The series has evolved somewhat, it was a 2 person fighting game to start with, then moved onto a full action battle field (DW2), added co-op and many improvements (DW3), and well from there they have continued to refine the product, although in no great amount at any one time. DW6 would certainly be the biggest change since DW3.

But, EA sports games do exactly the same thing, update characters, tweak a few things, rinse and repeat. If KOEI changes too much at once they would risk angering their loyal fan base. DW6 is a clear example of that and while attempting to change some things, cut some characters and so forth it's fair to say it didn't go down that well. Based on sales the older style Warriors Orochi series sells much better instead.

It just shows that KOEI are doing what a majority of fans want, it's a bit like a "if it's not broken, don't fix it theory", while KOEI maintain it they will never be on the same level as the likes of Square Enix. But they will do enough to keep a large loyal fan base and make some decent money while they are at it.

I don't necessarily agree with how KOEI operate in this regard, and would prefer a little more quality and a little less quantity (such as Kessen III, that game alone makes me love KOEI so much more). But at the same time it's enough to keep me interested in purchasing a number of the Warriors titles and enjoy them.

So naturally I always feel half baked reviews like this are an utter waste of paper and bandwidth. The review fails to go into any detail, and give the reader any information about the game aside their repetitive view of it being repetitive. <_<
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sad thing is that they really DID mess up alot of stuff in DW6...........sad that DW5 was better.........and SW2 is still best
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Has this reviewer played any FPS games? i'd say that the repetativeness of a game where essentially all you do is point and click is far more obvious than that of any game such as DW.

Also the fact that if DW suddenly became something completely different the fans may not like it and stop buying the games.

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I think the most annoying thing about this review is how poorly it's written. I'm pretty used to people panning DW games as just another clone, but the quality of the writing in this review is miserable.

While a lot of the flaws it points out are true (the lighting/camera in The Yellow Turbans makes me squint, especially if my character has light clothing), the reviewer seems to make assumptions that EVERYONE who is reading the review has played a DW game before.

Don't people read reviews mostly to find out things they didn't know about a game they haven't played? To try and get a general and unbiased idea of what it offers?

I wish a lot of game reviewers would act a little more professionally and a little less biased as to personal opinions. If you don't like a game, fine, but try to give a more objective review, for the sake of the audience if nothing else.
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Such a painfully cynical review.... I guess it's hard to please everyone these days....
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The reason why they are hard to please is because they act like a bunch of idiots/lemmings and believe that every game on the face of the earth should be exactly like Halo, when I hate to break it to them, Halo sucks, hard! I have read many reviews and I always see the same things, some are correct and subtle but most just show the stupidity of most magazines, because:

1. All videogames have repetative gameplay

its just a fact of life, all vidoegames despite all of the perks are repetative, it just depends on their ability to keep you playing which the DW series is really good at.

2. Even if you don't like a game, you must be professional and not rant about how you hated it.

After all, everybody has different tastes and bashing a game because of your insecurities gives people the wrong opinion of the game, and notice that they never say, "That is my opinion though, if you like that kind of thing go right ahead and buy it.", the reason being is the "Halo effect" a seemingly unreversable malfunction of the brain that I discovered, that causes its victims to crave only first person shooters in the same strain as Halo :D it is life threatening and very annoying.

and finally 3. The company is Japanese, so your opinion does not matter at all to them.

Even if this American slime ball of cynicism were to write 500 complaints to the Koei corperation, he would be overlooked due to the over 25 million messages from die hard japanese fans in Tokyo alone lol, so in short it makes no difference what we think, as long as the Japanese love it, the game will still be coming to the US and Europe.
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Actually, is it a bad thing that I laughed at the thought of this reviewer saying 'I was an infant when the first game came out'? I know he's exaggerating, but I can't help but laugh at the thought that the person writing this is now a 10-15 year old emo kid... thus blowing all of his credibility out of the water.

Ha... this is a good read.
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kongmings prodigy,

you want an action game, sure go to devil may weep.

you want a battle field sim? koei already made that- and it kicks ass. it's called BLADESTORM: THYW.

HA! you want to see real repetitiveness? play "Super smash brothers" 1 or 2, doesn't matter, same deal. all games are repetitive in reality though. it's all about your preference!

Dyansty warriors- you may call it what you want but to loyal fans like us, we feel that it formed it's own thing. I DON'T see ANYTHING even close to what dw goes for, why?- because it's different. SO WHAT if it isn't what you and that pathetic reviewer want it to be? SO WHAT if it isn't what you might consider as "good". if YOU don't like it (notice i'm sort of talking to the reviewer now) don't play it. simple as that. game reviews are BULL. UN ADULTERATED BULL. because everyones different ya know? Dw created it's own thing that has story line, with kung fu, all the while relating to actual history, as well as somewhat of an ancient battlefield sim. not saying it is though. and who's fault is it that you don't like it, reviewer? it's your fault, so shut up and let us enjoy what we damn well formed as it is! go koei.com, everywhere in the community there are polls, and all kinds of stuff that made their games what they are today. that's what i like about koei. they deliver what most of us ask for. so cuz some prick writes a pitiful excuse for a review dogging DW, doesn't mean you have to follow that. rent a game. F*** a review.


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The reason why they are hard to please is because they act like a bunch of idiots/lemmings and believe that every game on the face of the earth should be exactly like Halo, when I hate to break it to them, Halo sucks, hard!


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I agree wholeheartedly with what you said and thank you for understanding my logic and years of the psychological profiling of my generation (the 1993 birthdays), and so far its not looking good, my generation has become bland and predictable, they now only buy games that involve 1 of the 5 items listed below:

1: First-person shooter
2: Third-person shooter
3: Initials are H, H2 or H3 :angry:
4: Initials are GoW
5: Initials are CoD4

Now you see what I mean, they will not buy any game outside the genre of shooting and have a very narrow mindset and concept of what the best game in the world is (They go by number of copies sold when that doesn't mean **** to me) any way I created a syndrome to go along with this that was in the post you quoted, as I also stated the condition is life threatening because others like us who like DW will go to great lengths to shut that person up :lol: it also goes by its scientific name: Bungeenusasskissus
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Yes, I agree. I hate Halo it is not everything in gaming. I was born 1991, so my generation, which is only 2 years older, arent that bad, many people I know don't like Halo.
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Yes, I agree. I hate Halo it is not everything in gaming. I was born 1991, so my generation, which is only 2 years older, arent that bad, many people I know don't like Halo.

Good on ya' mate, I see you don't suffer from Bungeenusasskissus :D
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"I flag stupid comments simply because there's no option to slap the sh*t out of someone through your computer screen."

"Whether you're right-wing or left-wing, capitalist or socialist, gay or straight, one thing's for certain: a single group cannot dictate right and wrong. To believe as such is not only foolish, but arrogant."

"If you write a stupid comment, and I don't respond, don't take it too harshly. I don't argue with idiots."

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Yes, I agree. I hate Halo it is not everything in gaming. I was born 1991, so my generation, which is only 2 years older, arent that bad, many people I know don't like Halo.

Good on ya' mate, I see you don't suffer from Bungeenusasskissus :D

I don't know what that is, but thanks. :D

I have not yet got DW6, I dont have a PS3, but I WILL get it, and I'll properly love it.
I'm like that, I always seem to find good in a game. Except Halo. Its overrated.
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I don't know what that is, but thanks.  :D

I have not yet got DW6, I dont have a PS3, but I WILL get it, and I'll properly love it.
I'm like that, I always seem to find good in a game. Except Halo.  Its overrated.

Well look for the key words Bungeenusasskissus and if you were to lay the words in bold out: Bungee Ass Kiss (Bungee was the company that made Halo) :D

I also agree wit Halo being overrated by its ignorant fans who worship the Xbox360 as the single most important piece of equipment to be invented in the history of mankind, and now I am a sony fan which is like the Shiites of gaming but we don't go as far as Xbox users who are obsessed with Halo (let the record show that I did not say all Xbox users) who speak blasphemous words of contempt to the systems that with out such, Xbox wouldn't exist, and the two systems are the Nintendo systems and the Playstations and in my opinion the Xbox and Plastation series have nothing different in terms of graphics though these "sharp-eyed" Xbox fans always try to say that there is a big difference when in fact they are just insane :wacko:
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