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| Role of Women in KOEI Games; What do you think? | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 27 2008, 04:54 AM (4,009 Views) | |
| Manji | Jun 27 2008, 04:54 AM Post #1 |
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Across this forum, I've noticed some very different and strong opinions about the portrayal of women in KOEI games. I thought it would be a good idea to make a general discussion for the roles of all women of Koei games in one place. Whether it's the tough and independent archetype, such as Ginchiyo or Ina, the husband obsessed, doting wife personality like Nene or Xiao Qiao, or the seductive ice-queens like Noh and Zhen Ji, KOEI seems to stick to similar traits when it comes to their female characters. Do you think Koei is trying to say something about women through their games, or are they just plain unimaginative when it comes to creating female personalities? Do you think perhaps Koei only thinks women can be generalized as these three things: aggressive, or husband reliant, or sexual objects? Do you think KOEI is purposely dumbing-down females in order to cater to male audiences? (Think DW6, where 3 out of 7 of the removed character where females, and the remaining 4 women were all clones (Oh, except XQ... wt?!) , only 1 (Diao Chan, the skankiest of all) having an actual Musou mode... even Yue Ying, the most conservative of all DW woman, is wearing far more revealing clothing ((Thank you, tennoarashi :P)) this time around). I say catering to male audiences only because I've seen in the past many male fans complain that women should not be in the games to begin with since they never actually fought. <_< If you think there are errors in Koei portrayal or women, how would you fix certain characters to make them more well-rounded? OR perhaps you are happy with how KOEI portrayals female characters?? Please, explain.  As I female myself, I can't help but be sickened when I see characters like Xiao Qiao, Da Qiao, & OMG OICHI being so devoted to their husbands. It's like they can't even imagine living without having their lovers at their sides. In know love can be a beautiful thing, but they're border line OBSESSED with Zhou Yu, Sun Ce, and Nagamasa. You have to imagine that young women such as themselves don't even live for themselves, but only for the wishes of their husbands. Also, look at Yue Ying and Zhen Ji in the DW5 XL cat fight scene. What are they fighting about?? THE GOOD NAME OF THEIR HUSBANDS. Nothing else... you think Koei could make women who stand up for more than that... but usually don't. As for suggestive clothing... I have to say it's never really bothered me that much. I don't dress like that... but hey, work it if ya got it, ya know?  Plus, it is mostly men playing these games, so I do understand the eye candy factor. They make some good looking guys for us girls to look at, so it's all fair, you know. However, I can understand why fans would be upset of Yue Ying's drastic change. It goes against everything she stood for before, the battle ready Valkyrie reduced to the "Irish Elf," haha. And I must say, since cosplaying her DW6 costume, I can easily say her outfit is FAR from battle appropriate. And I don't mean the lack or armor... it's the boots, those things had my feet KILLING me in less than 15 minutes.Also, I simply don't mean to rag on all the women. Nene, despite being very close to Hideyoshi, has a wonderfully off-beat personality that makes her very likeable. Zhu Rong was one of my favorite females as well, she wore the pants in the relationship with Meng Huo (Despite her cheesy ending in DW5) and made all the calls. (I love that cut scene in DW4, where she tells him "Don't tell me you lost again!" in that really bossy voice). Anyway, all in all, I would like to see more of the female personalities improved... made a bit deeper and broader. But that's all for now from me. |
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| foomin | Jun 27 2008, 05:13 AM Post #2 |
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HHHMMMM. well, all who know me from my years on official site or anywhere else, know i am a huge proponent of the female characters(some FAR more than others), it's plain the KOEI games would be just plain dull with no women in playable roles. if i've said this once, i've said it a thousand times, KOEI games would be really dull for me with only male characters using traditional weapons(sword and spear). that said, i see a trend, as you say, to dumb the ladies down. i don't think there are many folks who prefer Noh's vacuous husband trailer, to her VIVID portrayal in SW1. even those who disliked Kunoichi for her lack of historical propriety, cannot dismiss her strong character and lack of "male-driven" story-line. sure, she liked Yuki, but,she certainly was'nt chained to him. Zhen Ji and Yue Ying in DW6 are perfect examples of this trend towards making the women less self-reliant. i still love both of them, but they're sort of GREY compared to the previous incarnations. i loved the spunky(stupid word, but appropriate) Xiao Qiao, and was always sort of irked by the more submissive Da Qiao(except in DW3, where they had nearly identical personalities). i don't know where KOEI is going with the female characters, but i hope it's more along the lines of Ginchiyo, Ina(SW1:XL version) and Nohime(SW1 version). they'll lose me if they go anymore to the anti-feministic side of things. |
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| Jsun | Jun 27 2008, 05:16 AM Post #3 |
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I think they portray women as sex objects mostly (Japan) <_<. I mean look at Da Ji. Her whole costume looks like something you would find at an adult XXX shop. Not to mention the big breasts and the tattoos near her private areas. Same goes for other characters as well. It's just not realistic and it degrades women. I really like Yue Ying from DW5 because she actually looks normal and her weapon was just awesome, the other weapons for female characters really stink IMO. I think what they need to do is put dog collars with leashes on the males with wives and have the wives be like the main protagonists. |
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| Zhen Ji~ | Jun 27 2008, 05:27 AM Post #4 |
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I agree with Jsun.
 I dislike Oichi in the koei games....she's so depressing and in her lines is NAGAMASA. Too dependant of her husband.... Unlike Nene, sure she loves her husband, but she doesn't depend on him and doesn't call him. She's so outgoing, fun, and social. In DW6, Koei made the girls....kind of slutty. None of them wears pants, and wow you can see their panties. -,- Xiao Qiao looks like a maid, Diao Chan looks like some bimbo....she doesn't look like one of the great beauties of China. Koei portrays Diao Chan looking BLAH and Yue Ying doesn't look like her smart self in dw6....looks like a barbie elf doll. Koei portrays the girls as.....pretty girls who don't really have an exact storyline and are there for show.... EDIT: That reminds me, Okuni is a dancer They made her like one of those girls in those houses thing a looong time ago in China to serve men w/e it's called |
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| foomin | Jun 27 2008, 05:34 AM Post #5 |
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this just came to mind, but Okuni(probably the most disliked of all KOEI women, by men) was a PLAYER, in SW1. she had three men eating from her hand. and pretty much blew them all off in the end. |
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| kuni_izumi | Jun 27 2008, 06:07 AM Post #6 |
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I actually like all the women and the way that they're portrayed in KOEI games. I mean, you have to take several things into account: 1. None of these women would be fighting in the FIRST PLACE so by including them, KOEI is giving them a voice and some measure of power they would have probably NEVER had historically. 2. Culture. In Japan isn't it a long standing truth that 'cute' is more highly valued than 'sexy' in a girl and the art of having a finely kept home/family is a major goal? These days it seems more okay for a girl to go out and have a career if she wants too, but this is something seriously ingrained into their culture, which is why most of the wives are very devoted to their husbands. 3. The strongest most independent women (Ina, Ginchiyo, Nu Wa) aren't married or in love (at least not as a major plot point Ina and Sakon definitely have something cooking there). I'm engaged myself and I have to say that falling in love and deciding to spend the rest of my life with one man is a HUGE commitment I made and YES it changed my perception of the world drastically. I AM obsessed with him! And there are NO married couples in DW or SW that aren't honestly in love (even if it's twisted like Nobunaga and Houhime). I'd personally like to see an arranged marriage couple who hated each other XD. So given the hard task of developing believable female characters that appeal to men and women, I think KOEI did a great job. I got roped in by SSX in DW2 and was hooked on her lack of girlie clothes to the point I nicknamed her 'pants'. I was disgusted by Diao Chan at first because she was SO PINK but her amazing POWER of her maces and duality between Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo won me over just as fast. I think they did a fine job and I challenge anyone else to do better. |
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| Brizz | Jun 27 2008, 06:19 AM Post #7 |
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Hmm, I actually like most of the female characters but as a whole, yeah, I really do think Koei puts less effort into their stories/personalities. I didn't have a problem with the women dressing a bit slut-ish, (hey, cute/bishie guys for us, skimpy girls for the guys, whatever, I don't care XP) but ever since DW6 Diao Chan, I really think they gone a LITTLE too far. Am I the only person that thinks her outfit is hideous? I was kind of dissapointed with Yue Ying and SSS's designs as well. I mean, now they are freakin beautiful (Yue Ying looks great in my opinion), but... it just feels like they are like every other girl now. As for people like Da Ji, I really don't mind since she's suppose to be err.. a "seductive" kind of character, and obviously for most guys that means "more revealing," I dunno. Then again, Japan has always been one of the best when it comes to "fanservice," so maybe it's just their idea to appeal to the male gamers. *shrugs* As for the husband complex, I think some of it just might be due to Japanese culture like kuni_izumi says. Japanese dramas/anime/manga/movies about romance usually have the whole "oh, it's romantic to do everything for the sake of love" yadayada. Japanese women are still perhaps tied to their roles of being women who are supportive of their husbands and such, so those kinds of romance stories are probably more liked since it's more common. In fact, if you think about it most women were like that back in the ancient days, so maybe it's more realistic? o.O Then again, most people (Japanese or not) tend to enjoy romances like that, so maybe it's a matter of public preference? As for me, most of the romances in the games make me gag anyway (aside from perhaps Nene, Noh, Yue Ying and Zhen Ji's). I don't mind strong relationships with thier husbands, but please, I really think they need a unique/different kind of relationship for each one. Xiao/Da Qiao's and Oichi's "husband following" romances just aren't real romances in my opinion. Sadly, Zhen Ji, Yue Ying's and Noh's characters are starting to slip into that catagory as well.  In short, I really just think that Koei is just doing their job aiming the game more towards their larger fanbase, mostly guys. I think we all know how much they "need" money, lol. XD |
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| foomin | Jun 27 2008, 06:24 AM Post #8 |
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Lady Noh and Nobunaga were not in love. it WAS an arranged marriage, Noh did NOT like Nobunaga much in SW1, and that was portrayed in that "arrangement", SW2 did not portray it so well. apparently that's what you've played. |
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| Fayt | Jun 27 2008, 09:08 AM Post #9 |
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As for this quote, I don't think so. You just need to have one look at SW2:XL's Gracia and she doesn't fit in with either of those suggestions (well maybe slightly if you alter to 'male reliant' with "Mago"). Also while I have yet to play as Himiko in WO2 (she was more so twisted then anything in Kessen II) I don't think she would fit any of those either. Da Ji doesn't fit appear to tick any of those boxes either, nor do Ginchiyo, Nu Wa, Xing Cai, Kunoichi and others. I think the sex appeal belief is overrated too. Sure some of the females get stereo typed, like Diao Chan is clearly a sex object, but she is based on a dancer for Dong Zhuo, which also featured heavily in the novel (as Sable Cicada iirc) so it's certainly reasonable. Nouhime & Zhen Ji play more of a seductive female role, just one female in each Warriors title of that type is hardly unreasonable - also considering both were documented to be very beautiful and married to extremely important figures of both respective eras, why should you expect anything less? Then you have the rather unique Da Ji which I believe is supposed to represent a incarnation of a silvery fox and is known to be very beautiful. KOEI are simply trying to capture their beauty in a way that is common today, let's face many females that look good tend to show off a bit of cleavage and their legs, it's just the way the world is. I know a few also refer to Yue Ying but I'm not counting her in that category, it's simply a wardrobe malfunction in DW6 which should get changed back come the next DW, that was dumb KOEI. There are I believe 19 female characters in all the Warriors games and only 4 really fill the sex objects void. And well games are purchased by males more then females so if KOEI want to put a bit of eye candy to boost sales then so be it, they are certainly not the only ones that do it. The Final Fantasy games often have a lady that fills that void too, just look at Ashe, she has just as much of a revealing appearance as those few ladies in the Warriors games, if not more. |
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| kuni_izumi | Jun 27 2008, 01:37 PM Post #10 |
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Actually I've played just about every DW and SW installment that's been released in America since DW2. I say that Nouhime loved Nobunaga...though not in the way that we associate bunnies and sparkly stars with love. I think Noh's love is a more serious, internal sort of affair, otherwise why would she return to kill her father instead of Nobunaga like he'd instructed her too. She had plenty of opportunities to knock him off if she hated him, but time and time again in SW1 she choses to spare him, as long as no one ELSE is trying to kill him. Her point in trying to kill him repeatedly is the fear that some OTHER person will take him away from her. If he MUST die then she intends to be the one who kills him. It comes down to a matter of opinion of course, but to me, they seemed very much in love in SW1. I'd compare it to the very militant relationship between Shinji Takeyama and his wife Reiko in Yukio Mishima's "Patriotism" which I consider probably one of the most romantic short stories I've ever read. |
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| Mei Ling | Jun 27 2008, 03:09 PM Post #11 |
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Uh, Nu Wa was married...to Fu Xi. I agree wholeharditly with every viewpoint in this topic. This is what KOEI is doing NOW Ina- Father-Loving bow wielding Eastern Army husbandonlybrieflymentioned heroine. Ginchiyo- The Japanese "Joan of Arc" looking to reclaim her father's wishes. Noh- Vain, cruel woman who thrives on vanity and beauty, and sticks by her husband 99% of the time. Nene- The "Motherly" woman in us all...sort of. The happy go lucky wife who wishes to support her husband, and still educate men and women on the importance of doing the right thing. Okuni- The entertainer from Izumo, only looking to make a few dollars for her shrine, while simultaniously flirting her way through the ranks to achieve that. Oichi- Slightly obsessed over her husband. The calm dove of the battlefield, although she went through husbands like fire tears through paper. Kunoichi- Giggling slightly fictitious ninja who doesn't find romance, but craves adventure. Gracia- The woman who's history is altered for the game. ALOT. Hangs with Magoichi, despite his....er..."ways" with women. Yue Ying- Adores her husband, that she would die for him. Found that the right way to look for a man, is to look for his mind, not his looks. (Vice Versa for Zhuge Liang) Also a brilliant inventor of many successful creations. Zhu Rong- The tough rough Barberella of the group. Bosses her lazy ass husband around so that he has confidence. Isn't afraid of dying. Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao- Postergirls of KOEI Zhen Ji- Another husband obsesser. Only this time she shows traits of Nouhime as well. Xing Cai- Listens to her father, as well as finds cute romance with Guan Ping. She is sort of the "girl next door" type. Sun Shang Xiang- Tomboy of Wu, shows shades of both of Ina and Ginchiyo. Torn between two sides. Diao Chan- The biggest rose on the battlefield. Uses her charm and grace to get between two men, leading them to both try to kill each other. |
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| XiaoGaGa xD | Jun 27 2008, 03:23 PM Post #12 |
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well you know da ji she's bad she's cruel and she left the house without pants this morning ....anyways i like oichi on sw1 but on sw2 she scares me...it's like "lord nagamasa i love you so much" it's like ewwwwwww!!!!!!..anyway XIAO QIAO dosen't look like A MAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDD |
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| jamesbuc | Jun 27 2008, 04:00 PM Post #13 |
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Hooooold it! I thought NuWa and FuXi were siblings not married
 Anyway I see the role of women so far in the Koei series about right given Japan/China's background and culture. One or two women may seem similar (Noh/ZhenJi for example) but otherwise most of them fit well. The people moaning about the couples well... there are very few actual important women in those time-periods where they were not married and usually thier fame came from the men they married. |
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| foomin | Jun 27 2008, 04:29 PM Post #14 |
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they are both. brother/sister, husband/wife. historically in artworks they are often portrayed as sharing the same serpents tail for a lower body. and just i case it's not been said or overlooked, Da Ji was mythologically Nu Wa's servant, sent to earth to control the King of Shang, but she was ensnared by his vicious ways and learned to enjoy the torment he administered to others, hence getting demoted by Nu Wa. http://www.wku.edu/~yuanh/China/tales/daji_b.htm and Kuni-i'm not marginalizing your point of view, but i always saw Noh as not in love with the man but, but the "idea" of the man(altering the course of Japanese history) in the games. but historically(and much of this is supposition, since not much is documented about her), Noh appeared to be ambivalent to Nobunaga, playing the role of the wife, but covertly spying for the Saito(reportedly), until her father was killed in battle, then she just kind of gave up. allowing Nobunaga, or at least not objecting to Kitsuno Ikoma and her birthing of the majority of the Oda heirs and his blinding devotion to her. in return he apparently never sanctioned her for her behavior, and respected the marriage arrangement. if you want more Nohime, check out the historical section on "Favorite Women". |
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| The Hero | Jun 27 2008, 04:48 PM Post #15 |
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I just wish some of the females would come out strong.Like, I dont mean masculine or dominant(Ginchiyo, Ina.) Just to be more independent and having the role that they had in history!For an example, Gracia- she was a christian, it was something she stood for and believed, why dont they add this?!And Nene was said to be intelligent, we dont they make her in SW with her being very smart and political. They did important things too, and it shoulld be added.Their not just beautiful faces, it is seems like thats all their being given.But at the same time, Im glad their capturing the females beauty from todays styles and looks.I think that they have given some of the females their history, which is good.
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| foomin | Jun 27 2008, 04:53 PM Post #16 |
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i think this is the rub, KOEI seem to be moving away from intelligent, savvy, strong women. SW1 and XL were the closest they ever got. however historically and sadly, the majority of the women were not "voices to be heard", and the ones that are in-game have mostly fictional personalities or are entirely fictional. |
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| kuni_izumi | Jun 27 2008, 08:23 PM Post #17 |
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This is an excellent point. Admittedly I'm NOT familiar with Noh's actual HISTORY, so my opinion of her relationship with Nobunaga is derived SOLELY from KOEI's interpretations. So if the question is: How does KOEI portray them...I'd say in love. Historically it's a whole 'nuther ball of wax I make no pretense to be an expert in. Maybe your historical knowledge shades their relationship in a different way. I always liked them because they come across as a kind of nutty couple, in love but quite willing to kill the other should it become more useful to have them dead. Certainly in the KOEI games I don't get any sense of ambivalence for one another from them. Again, historically it's going to be different, so it depends on what you want to include on answering the question. Personally I think you have to look at the individual games to decide which is the most female-friendly (meaning in giving them voices, influence, power and brains). I think SW1 is probably the most powerful-woman friendly. Even Oichi who has probably the weakest female presence still uses stubborn tenacity to win out in the end, bringing her husband and brother together. DW4 I think is the Dynasty Warrior game that balanced out the women best, though it could be because of the focus on Kingdom story lines, rather than personal ones. DW6 and SW2 are probably the least female friendly of the lot. DW6 because of it's obvious costuming flaws (Sun Shang Xiang caught DEAD in a skirt? I don't think so), and general minimalism of women characters in general, the only two with story lines being almost wholly dependent on the men in their lives. SSX is dependent on Sun Ce, then Sun Quan and leaves of her own ideals, but immediately attaches herself to Liu Bei. Diao Chan while apparently capable of fighting for herself, uses Lu Bu in actuality to solve almost all of her problems. SW2, while including new girls like Ginchiyo and Ina takes a lot of the power they'd given Noh, Oichi and Kunoichi away. Okuni as well seems to lose a lot of her sway and goes from at least feigning honest interest in the men very well, to coming across as a money hungry conniving harlot, and holds much less control over the men around her. Over all though, I can't say KOEI does a particularly BAD or STELLAR job, they have some hits and some misses. I loved SSX in games 2-4 but in 5 her weepy indecisiveness for Liu Bei really tarnished her credibility with me (along with that god awful tag line). |
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| The Hero | Jun 27 2008, 09:13 PM Post #18 |
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Agreed, its just stupid.And because their all beautiful and graceful, I think there not as much fun as they were.For an example, In SW1 the females were great!Like Noh was not always with her husband, she had the love/hate thing, not anymore!And Oichi used to be so much fun to play with, now she is not.I just hope they fix this in the future games.And I HOPE they do not change Gracia, I really hope not.They just need to add her religion, and husband, maybe fix her story alittle, but I love how her personality is.
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| gamergirlsftf | Jun 29 2008, 04:43 AM Post #19 |
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Hmm... Let me see. I guess it's all based on culture and a little sexism. From Japan all across almost every shore, women are treated inferior in certain scenarios. Also as stated earlier, men mostly play these games. To appeal to the male audience is their only key I feel sometimes from Koei, but they should realize all of the buyers are not men. I am a female myself, and I feel that Daji should have more clothes on too, but there women out in the world who dress similar to that and probably wouldn't find a problem with Daji's attire. I wouldn't dress like that at all, but my dress code doesn't shine for all women and they would probably disagree with my view. For the personality part of Oichi, Xiao Qiao, Yue Ying, etc. Maybe during the era these games are based, I think some of the women weren't on the battlefield in history. They were just added in the game for "eye candy" reasons maybe. Having great devotion to their husbands who were going out to fight leaving their wives with only the feeling of, "What if my husband doesn't come back?," atittude could possibly play a role in why koei gives them that mentality. Love then and now has changed. I wouldn't really have a clue on how to comment on a Romeo and Juliet situation with an Oichi twist in this day and age. That couldv'e been a normal thing during that point in time for those young couples. |
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| kuni_izumi | Jun 29 2008, 05:28 AM Post #20 |
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I do feel that I have to throw in here, I don't really have any problems with how much skin the KOEI girls show. And yeah, I'm a girl, and yeah, I've been accused of being on par with male chauvinist pigs too. So maybe I don't count a lot on that but I'm off the general opinion that male or female, if it looks good naked, why hide it? Sooo the skimpy-ness doesn't bother me much it's just when the clothing design is STUPID that it sort of gets to me. SSX wearing pants was part of her overall persona, I feel DW6 betrayed that character a little (Then again DW6 SSX comes across as a mix of her original personality and Da Qiao's devotion to her husband and romanticisms). Yue Ying is similarly a SENSIBLE woman, so running around in a costume cos-players have deemed impractical is also a slight to her intelligence. I also find myself wishing they'd given Oichi's more mature nature in SW2 a more mature outfit. It still seems like she's running around in little girl's clothes when she has a grace and wisdom that makes Nene look like a bratty child (nothing against Nene here either). |
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| Maneating_Panda | Jul 1 2008, 01:39 AM Post #21 |
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Funny this is being brought up, my friend and I have always made jokes that Koei hates their female characters. I really don't mind the fanservice so much, (although I thought Diao Chan was much more beautiful in her older outfits), its the way the girls act. I know women were much more bound to the identity of their husbands at the time, however, like it was said earlier, there were aspects of most of their characters that could be added upon. For instance... why does Zhen Ji act so in love with Cao Pi? According to history he ordered her to commit suicide! Its a terrible decision to have her act so damn loyal to her husband when it was said she was cheating on him as well, (if I remember correctly.) Another example is Yue Ying, she invented many inventions, as well as helped Zhuge Liang in his strategies. Yet all she can do in DW6 is have a cat fight with Zhen Ji about guess what? THEIR HUSBANDS. Adskfjs and look at her outfit. She was described as plain! I liked her so much more in Kessen than DW. Someone said earlier that it is nice of Koei to even add women to their games to use because they did not fight at the time, this is true, HOWEVER, if you recall ZHU RHONG fought in actual battle for her husband and land. And they removed her. Jeez. Overall, I'm really depressed with how Koei is characterizing women in their newer games. I liked them much more in Samurai Warriors 1 and DW 5. Its like their trying to make it a happy ending for everyone and everyone so in love and MY WHOLE EXISTENCE IS MY MANNN. (I mean Noh and Nobunaga, WAT? And SSX and Liu Bei??? They were married for two years!). Hope I don't sound like a man hater here :wacko:, its just irritating. EDIT: Oh, I meant to also add that I would be satisfied with some made up female character who was hardcore I could play as. (I mean its not like Koei ever STRAYS from history/ROTK or anything like that, NO NO!) I'm just sick of playing with chipper lolis and 2D women. |
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| kuni_izumi | Jul 1 2008, 02:03 AM Post #22 |
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I think your screen name is much more fearful to men than your ideas about how women should be portrayed. XD About Zhu Rong: Yeah she DID fight...so one historical fighting female...and like someone said she got booted. So much for realistic portrayal. The problem is, no matter WHAT a female character is like she will be stereotyped. Men have the same problem. Women are either soft and lovey, feminist nazi tomboys or seductresses/bitches or annoyingly adorable/made of candy hearts, elegant and mature (shout out for Nu Wa here). Men can be big and gruff, big and dumb, scrawny and snarky, scrawny and smart, old and wise, etc. How I hunger for a small dumb old dude to shake things up. :rolleyes: It's rare for a character to get much more depth than this in a game that tries to give equal attention to a cast of 40+ characters or so. You really only get true dynamics when the game focuses around a main character, or small central cast. Even FF games which have only six or so MAIN characters have to sacrifice dynamics to focus on maybe just one or two and have the less important characters appear 2D no matter HOW MUCH the character design/scripting team wants to give them more depth. |
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| vietnoob | Jul 1 2008, 02:15 AM Post #23 |
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Age of VNB-The Anti Hero
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women is not necessery. Women have no role in war and have no role in Game |
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The Anti of All people who think they are hero Vietnoob  If you want to be a man. You first have to beat the man | |
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| necrosis | Jul 1 2008, 02:43 AM Post #24 |
Watching and waiting...
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So you'd rather have a sausagefest? :rolleyes: Women have plenty of rolls in war and game. Moreso in game though. |
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Death should be painless, shouldn't it!? EX-Tentacle Monster DOUBLE ZETA. Because all the lolis love me. "Tentacle Grape is everything I love about hentai, but with a sweet grapey taste that makes it seem like everything's going to be okay." - Yuri Lowenthal, beloved anime voice-actor http://www.tentaclegrape.com Koei Warriors Conquerors is a failure. | |
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| vietnoob | Jul 1 2008, 02:44 AM Post #25 |
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Age of VNB-The Anti Hero
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How many woman actually in war. And how many women actually a mian chacracter in the game. |
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The Anti of All people who think they are hero Vietnoob If you want to be a man. You first have to beat the man | |
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