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Compare WO series to DW series - Shu Characters; All Shu Characters - Better/Worse than DW Series?
Topic Started: Jul 19 2008, 06:47 PM (1,658 Views)
Mr.Honda	Jul 19 2008, 06:47 PM Post #1
Actively Retired Posts: 4,128 Group: Members Member #7,393 Joined: May 17, 2007 Gender Male	This topic is to discuss the Shu characters and whether you think they improved or not when making the transition to the Warriors Orochi series. State your reasons why you think they improved or not, don't just post a simple "Yea, he/she improved" or "No, he/she got worse" Both Warriors Orochi games are included so feel free to base your opinions on either of those games. (Since WO2 has not released outside of Japan yet, feel free to add to your thoughts later if your opinions change after playing the sequel). We will start by getting everyone's thought on: 1 - Zhao Yun 2 - Xing Cai 3 - Ma Chao 4 - Guan Yu 5 - Zhang Fei 6 - Huang Zhong 7 - Pang Tong 8 - Jiang Wei 9 - Zhuge Liang 10 - Wei Yan 11 - Yue Ying 12 - Guan Ping 13 - Liu Bei Next week, the Moderating staff will edit the character name in the topic description and post a new character from Shu to discuss. If you would like to discuss characters that have already been posted, that is fine. The list of characters will be updated in the first post to help keep track of the discussion.
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StrikeForce9	Jul 20 2008, 12:50 AM Post #2
Is That All You Got? Posts: 2,671 Group: Junior Moderators Member #8,262 Joined: July 2, 2007 Gender Male	IMO Zhao Yun is better than his counterpart in DW5. Being a Tech type character, it improves him a lot. Like other Tech characters, he can repel enemies when he got hit which is really useful in harder difficulty when enemies tend to use their combo too. By using R1 instead of triangle for his charge attacks, they are "fast and furious" make him a really fun character to use.
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Totoro	Jul 20 2008, 04:20 AM Post #3
a very lost person Posts: 3,980 Group: Members Member #7,897 Joined: June 11, 2007 Gender Male	Well I definitley think Zhao Yun was a way better improvement as he is quite unstopable with the spaming of the three hit charge. I guess it really has to do with the R1 attack the most, because its only in WO. If they have a really good one, then they will deffinitly seem to be an improvement.
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zenkokuku	Jul 20 2008, 12:24 PM Post #4
Posts: 4,284 Group: Members Member #7,714 Joined: June 2, 2007	Pure fan-based response, please do not get offended Zhao Yun is the best all round character, he was excellent in DW5, however his abilities gradually slowed down as the difficulty went up. I died a few times on Chaos. This was changed in WO, where no matter where he was (even in chaos), he is a pure solo master. It's near impossible to die with this guy. He's C4 (doesn't have to be enchanted with R1), turns peons into ashes, he's C1 (first charge) is archer/long range unfriendly. Most of his other charges are either to supporting his already godly crowd clearing ablities, or just to have some fun moves add in his moveset. He's the perfect character, a three character game (such as WO, requires switching for heals, etc), becomes a solo game when you use this guy. There's nothing this character cannot accomplish on the battlefield. In my opinion, the best beat em up character ever made (I hope KOEI didn't nerf him in WO2).



LittleDragonZ	Jul 20 2008, 01:22 PM Post #5
Behold the spear of Baby Dragon! Posts: 6,833 Group: Admins Member #3,636 Joined: October 5, 2006 Gender Male	zenkokuku Jul 20 2008, 11:24 AM Pure fan-based response, please do not get offended Zhao Yun is the best all round character, he was excellent in DW5, however his abilities gradually slowed down as the difficulty went up. I died a few times on Chaos. This was changed in WO, where no matter where he was (even in chaos), he is a pure solo master. It's near impossible to die with this guy. He's C4 (doesn't have to be enchanted with R1), turns peons into ashes, he's C1 (first charge) is archer/long range unfriendly. Most of his other charges are either to supporting his already godly crowd clearing ablities, or just to have some fun moves add in his moveset. He's the perfect character, a three character game (such as WO, requires switching for heals, etc), becomes a solo game when you use this guy. There's nothing this character cannot accomplish on the battlefield. In my opinion, the best beat em up character ever made (I hope KOEI didn't nerf him in WO2). Strangely enough I agree with you... :rolleyes: Yes, his abilities have improved in WO and its great to mention that he did suffer a bit as the stages progressed in DW5. Thats true and something I forgot to mention myself. His C1 also makes him temporarily invincible and has always been brilliant in escaping dangerous situations. So yes, its Zhao Yun WO > Zhao Yun DW5. The thanks should once again go to the weapon attributes and his TECH type.



Bai Xue	Jul 20 2008, 01:28 PM Post #6
Didn't make it into history Posts: 733 Group: Members Member #16,621 Joined: July 7, 2008 Gender Female	Can't really add much more, except that I agree, really. Every 4th weapon I've been able to unlock for someone, he's been on that team of three, and I also unlocked the 8-X stage with the requirement to save Sun Jian in under three minutes with him, even though at the time he was at least 30 levels lower than Toyotomi, who'd somehow made it to lvl 99 first o.o Even though he gets compared to Sanada a lot in WO, I think he's the better character to use out of the two because... he just cuts through them quicker, I suppose.
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Oblivion	Jul 21 2008, 08:49 AM Post #7
Through Light, Through Darkness Posts: 1,331 Group: Moderators Member #11,841 Joined: December 12, 2007 Gender Male	Well, his R1 Special is pretty good for officer-killing, his C1, C4 and C5 are improved by element and his flashy C6 is of use too, overall still a very good character
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Xalfrea	Jul 21 2008, 09:18 AM Post #8
Organization XIII's Number XV Posts: 2,855 Group: Junior Moderators Member #7,921 Joined: June 13, 2007 Gender Male	I'll take a look at 2 aspects of the characters. Gameplay wise and Personality and story wise. Gameplay wise Being a Tech character, Zhao Yun has improved quite a lot. With his charge attacks doubled in speed, he is a good character to use for beginners (yet again). Not really liking his WO victory quote though. "Another has fallen to my spear!" is a lot more unique than "Victory is mine!" His voice is still the same as DW, and it really has grown on me, I wouldn't change it. Personality and story wise Blegh... In WO he is severely downgraded as "The disciple of the Chosen one" All over the game he is constantly craving for his lord. DW wasn't much better. DW5 did have him shown joining Liu Bei... and thats it. For Zhao Yun overall, his changes were pertty much even. He had good, and at the same time bad changes from the transition of DW to WO.
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Totoro	Jul 26 2008, 12:51 AM Post #9
a very lost person Posts: 3,980 Group: Members Member #7,897 Joined: June 11, 2007 Gender Male	Xing Cai She is a lot faster in WO and although I dont really like her, Her R1 is quite effective and just a really good attack. But I dont use her enough to really care for her ether way.
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Xalfrea	Jul 26 2008, 01:47 AM Post #10
Organization XIII's Number XV Posts: 2,855 Group: Junior Moderators Member #7,921 Joined: June 13, 2007 Gender Male	Xing Cai Gameplay Wise Speed characters seem to not be as powerful as others, and Xing Cai goes the same way. I wasn't much a fan of her moveset, and her R1's don't seem to be that effective either. But she really shines on a horse for a reason I can't explain. Personality Wise While she doesn't have much of a role in WO, I can definitely say I like her new voice better. DW5... she was made out as a quiet girl. In WO, they really exemplified her to be the daughter of Zhang Fei. Speaking of that, it seems in WO2, she is joined alongside SSX and Ina as the "daughters of legends".
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Fayt	Jul 26 2008, 01:53 AM Post #11
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	I didn't like Xing Cai in DW5, and I don't like her in WO either... Having her in the speed class, which probably suited her but it doesn't really allow her to improve either. I always found her moveset to lack range and not offer enough left to right swinging attacks. So meh, to me she hasn't changed much...
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MasterofMusou	Jul 26 2008, 03:15 AM Post #12
Certain Kill... GIGA DRILL BREAKER!!!!! Posts: 1,344 Group: Members Member #16,014 Joined: June 7, 2008 Gender Male	Zhao Yun Story Wise:Still the main character.In Shu he plays the biggest role being the most important of the Kingdom,much like Sun Ce.In WO2 his role is reduced.Even though he isn't in any CG cutscenes,he plays a part in some of the battles and is in the in-game cutscene of Orochi's revival. Gameplay Wise:A great moveset.Not much use of his C3-ex though.His C4 is strong and the ex version makes it stonger,faster,and safer.C5 is good for clearing out hordes of men just like his C4.C5 is,just like the other two,a great crowd clearer and officer killer.He really isn't effected by the DW nerf in in WO2 as they were useless anyway. Overall:Powerful and has a big part in WO.Still has a role in WO2.Much more powerful compared to his DW counterpart,thanks to overpowered weapon elements and abilities. Xing Cai Story Wise:Was in a couple of battles in WO and had some conversations with her father just like Guan Ping.Even so,she still isn't as important as some of the others.She's with Ina in WO2 as the daughters of famous fathers,or something to that effect. Gameplay Wise:I never liked her at all mostly due to her moveset.Nothing much to say but it pales in comparison to many others. IN WO2 she's terrible due to the DW nerf.She's got nothing except the C4 and C6 and they're not that powerful. Overall:Not that inportant and a bad moveset.All of her moves are weak.
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PhoenixNega	Jul 26 2008, 07:43 AM Post #13
Pang Shiyuan's disciple Posts: 253 Group: Members Member #14,903 Joined: April 20, 2008 Gender Male	Xing Cai: making her a speed type was a good choice. She's way faster than she was in DW and both her specials are quite effective Her C1 has been improved, and it's the best move she has to undo the flinch bug she's suffering from. C3 and C4 are also effective. If you add ice to her weapon, have another speed type in your party and unleash her musou in a musou chain, she's deadly C5 is useless, she always misses her target. She's a good character to use but on the higher difficulties, make sure you have full musou should you get caught with the flinch bug.
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Oblivion	Jul 26 2008, 07:55 AM Post #14
Through Light, Through Darkness Posts: 1,331 Group: Moderators Member #11,841 Joined: December 12, 2007 Gender Male	Xing Cai Gameplay Wise Never liked her much, but she gained an improvement in her C1 and gets two rather useful special attacks, otherwise shes the same really Personality Wise Meh, not much to say, she seems to get along with Ginchiyo though with Ginchiyo never appearing in a stage as an NPC besides Ueda, I can't say much.
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StrikeForce9	Jul 26 2008, 11:00 AM Post #15
Is That All You Got? Posts: 2,671 Group: Junior Moderators Member #8,262 Joined: July 2, 2007 Gender Male	Xing Cai She wasn't good in DW5 nor she is in WO. However being a speed type character, she's faster and better than she was in DW5. Her R1 specials are good enough to get her through each stage but they seem to be weaker than other speed type characters' R1. I also like her enhanced C1, it is useful when you're surrounded by enemies.
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LittleDragonZ	Jul 26 2008, 12:14 PM Post #16
Behold the spear of Baby Dragon! Posts: 6,833 Group: Admins Member #3,636 Joined: October 5, 2006 Gender Male	LittleDragonKHM Jul 26 2008, 10:00 AM Xing Cai She wasn't good in DW5 nor she is in WO. However being a speed type character, she's faster and better than she was in DW5. Her R1 specials are good enough to get her through each stage but they seem to be weaker than other speed type characters' R1. I also like her enhanced C1, it is useful when you're surrounded by enemies. Same opinion as me, really. Though I found I was able to cope with her voice much better in WO. But I agree with Fayt saying she doesn't really use her side range but rather uses her fork weapon just for close frontal attacks. She likes to swing her weapon a bit close to her body for comfort.



Totoro	Jul 30 2008, 09:51 PM Post #17
a very lost person Posts: 3,980 Group: Members Member #7,897 Joined: June 11, 2007 Gender Male	Next Character Ma Chao Easily my favorite character in DW5, but he lacks a bit in WO and his R1 is not very effective for a Power character. His C4 is not much of a crowd clearer, but I do love his C3. Best character, but not as good in WO
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Mr.Honda	Jul 30 2008, 10:41 PM Post #18
Actively Retired Posts: 4,128 Group: Members Member #7,393 Joined: May 17, 2007 Gender Male	Ok, again I'm not experienced enough with DW series to comment on everyone, but I'll go ahead and post my thoughts on ... Ma Chao Moveset/Gameplay - I have come to understand that Ma Chao was quite the powerhouse in DW series. Now, in WO with no elements on DW characters shockwaves (his C6 and mounted attacks) and the fact that you can be knocked off every horse, pretty much means that Ma Chao loses his advantage. Personally, I don't think he's a bad character, but you can tell something is missing. His C3 is good and his R1 is strong with the right timing. In WO2, the shockwaves are fixed as well as his R1 improved which means that Ma Chao should only get better. Story/Personality - Well, I'm sure he's much better off in the DW series where he has much more to do than protect a few peasants
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MasterofMusou	Jul 31 2008, 04:35 AM Post #19
Certain Kill... GIGA DRILL BREAKER!!!!! Posts: 1,344 Group: Members Member #16,014 Joined: June 7, 2008 Gender Male	With strong elements,he is better than his DW5 version.But other than that he not really that good.R1 easily miss,and C2 and C3 are basically his only attaks good enough to use. He dosen't join Shu but like a couple of Shu characters,join Nobunaga Oda.In WO2 he joins Wu.
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Xalfrea	Jul 31 2008, 04:41 AM Post #20
Organization XIII's Number XV Posts: 2,855 Group: Junior Moderators Member #7,921 Joined: June 13, 2007 Gender Male	Ma Chao Gameplay Wise Just like Lu Bu, Ma Chao is also character that got worse after the nerf. The lack of a Shadow Saddle, not to mention SW characters that have better horse attacks, really put Ma Chao in the near bottom. His R1 is also hard to use and aim. It would have been better if Ma Chao is a tech character. Personality Wise FOR JUSTICE! Yeah... Ma Chao didn't have much of a role in WO, besides Mt Ding Jun and Kawanakajima. I eagerly await his Dream Mode stage in WO2 though.
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MasterofMusou	Jul 31 2008, 04:59 AM Post #21
Certain Kill... GIGA DRILL BREAKER!!!!! Posts: 1,344 Group: Members Member #16,014 Joined: June 7, 2008 Gender Male	Xalfrea Jul 31 2008, 03:41 AM Just like Lu Bu, Ma Chao is also character that got worse after the nerf. Lu Bu isn't really nerfed.It's just that everyone else got stronger.His C3 still does a lot of damage,it's just that the shockwave dosen't do as much.C4 does more than any of his moves in DW5 thanks to the element system.
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PhoenixNega	Jul 31 2008, 07:05 AM Post #22
Pang Shiyuan's disciple Posts: 253 Group: Members Member #14,903 Joined: April 20, 2008 Gender Male	Since horse attacks pretty much are useless in WO, Ma Chao lost a lot of his value. And without special mounts to back him up, he's stuck on the ground where he isn't as powerful. Even worse, the C6 shockwave doesn't have elements whereas his R1 isn't what it should be. The only move he relies on is C3 (C4 can be used too, but only against officers).
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Oblivion	Aug 3 2008, 08:08 AM Post #23
Through Light, Through Darkness Posts: 1,331 Group: Moderators Member #11,841 Joined: December 12, 2007 Gender Male	Ma Chao Gameplay Wise The awesomeness of Ma Chao has dissolved in this game, now that horse attack barely matters plus Ma Chao getting a near-useless R1 and Elementaless C6, he relys heavily on his C3 and possibly C1 now. Story Wise His knack of saving peasants has carried over from DW5 to MO as well, not much to say except he interacts with Huang Zhong (no one interacted with Huang Zhong in the past ) Hes joined Wu with Pang De so things should get more interesting.
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StrikeForce9	Aug 4 2008, 10:35 AM Post #24
Is That All You Got? Posts: 2,671 Group: Junior Moderators Member #8,262 Joined: July 2, 2007 Gender Male	Ma Chao I just finished replaying Ma Chao musou in DW5. He was holy in DW5 with Shadow Harness, his 4th weapon (Horse 20 attribute) and Musou Rage. In WO he lost his awesomeness because those things were removed and now he's stuck with the second most useless power-type R1 (after Yoshimoto). Poor Ma Chao!
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Totoro	Aug 5 2008, 04:53 AM Post #25
a very lost person Posts: 3,980 Group: Members Member #7,897 Joined: June 11, 2007 Gender Male	Next Character Guan Yu Always a great fighter, although he has seemed a bit slow all the time. His R1 is amazing in WO, its a really powerfull attack, plus it adds that attack speed thing. So just based on that he is so much better.
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