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| Compare WO series to SW series - SW2 Characters; Ieyasu Tokugawa - Better/Worse than SW | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 19 2008, 07:17 PM (1,545 Views) | |
| Mr.Honda | Jul 19 2008, 07:17 PM Post #1 |
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This topic is to discuss the SW characters and whether you think they improved or not when making the transition to the Warriors Orochi series. This topic will dicuss those SW characters who are listed in the "SW2" roster in WO2 (SW series has been divided into the WO2 groups for balance) State your reasons why you think they improved or not, don't just post a simple "Yea, he/she improved" or "No, he/she got worse" Both Warriors Orochi games are included so feel free to base your opinions on either of those games. (Since WO2 has not released outside of Japan yet, feel free to add to your thoughts later if your opinions change after playing the sequel). We will start by getting everyone's thought on: 1 - Mitsunari Ishida 2 - Nene 3 - Tadakatsu Honda 4 - Ina 5 - Ranmaru Mori 6 - Musashi Miyamoto 7 - Nouhime 8 - Hanzo Hattori 9 - Nagamasa Azai 10 - Hideyoshi Toyotomi 11 - Yoshimoto Imagawa 12 - Ieyasu Tokugawa Next week, the Moderating staff will edit the character name in the topic description and post a new character from SW2 to discuss. If you would like to discuss characters that have already been posted, that is fine. The list of characters will be updated in the first post to help keep track of the discussion. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Jul 19 2008, 08:37 PM Post #2 |
Behold the spear of Baby Dragon!
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From a SW2 to WO point of view he's been dramatically improved. His R1 and WO's abilities such as Agility and Multi really help him out, especially with his C4. But from what I've heard about WO2, he's gone back downhill. |
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| Samurai Master | Jul 19 2008, 09:24 PM Post #3 |
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Mitsunari i think is the most Improved character from SW to WO. His R1 is just the best i htink in WO it kills hordes of enemies and also his speed helps him about sometimes. His personality in this one is quite funny he is still arragont but this time he helps a new person like him to defeat Orochi. When his weapon gets upgraded it also becomes really good.He became one of the most used characters that i use with in WO.
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| Fayt | Jul 19 2008, 10:45 PM Post #4 |
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I think it's fair to say Mitsunari is one of the most improved From having a rather useless mine setting and activating to a wide range burst from his fan with little Musou...the difference in incredible. Even with him going in what I believe is the inferior class, SPD, I still find him a much improved character. I didn’t like his voice actor in Warriors Orochi as much though, I felt his VA in SW2 was outstanding, I do hope that has returned. Personality wise though not much has changed…which is good, I love the arrogance he has. Of course, I don't know anything about WO2 yet to comment on that, LDZ says he is not as good anymore (disappointing, but he needed to get nerfed a bit if that is true). |
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| Rydain | Jul 19 2008, 10:51 PM Post #5 |
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I haven't gotten to Mitsunari in SW2, so I can't really compare him. I will say that his R1 + forward blasts were nerfed in WO2. They do far less damage and won't even stun officers. His C4 still hurts a lot, though. |
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| King Of Wei | Jul 19 2008, 11:20 PM Post #6 |
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I think everyone agrees that he has improved immensely. His R1 is just the best R1 int he game. His double jump makes him go faster. His move set is bad but who cares when you got that R1 move.
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| MasterofMusou | Jul 21 2008, 03:00 PM Post #7 |
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He's great compared to his SW2(and XL version).R1 is great for both officers and troops.All of his charge attacks are good when you power up his weapon just like almost every other characters in the game.In WO2 his R1 got nerfed as it dosen't flinch officers anymore and dosen't do much damage either(even to troops).Though he's still good with his other charge attacks. |
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| Totoro | Jul 22 2008, 03:39 AM Post #8 |
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He was good in SW2, but nothing compared to him in WO. Its of cource the R1 that defines him the most. Completly spamable and hardly deplets the musou at all. He is very fast and totally one of the best in the game. Very good improvement in WO, curious if he is any different in WO2 |
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| GoW | Jul 22 2008, 01:39 PM Post #9 |
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Mitsunari is still very defensive in WO as he is in SW2. The only thing that holds him back in SW is his special(s). Both of his R1s in WO are defensive just like his MS overall is supposed to be. Blasts from his fan, and arrow cover, very defensive minded character, he's meant to never be touched. I consider him equal to his SW2 appearance, but thats just me. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Jul 23 2008, 09:45 PM Post #10 |
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Good point there, GoW. I can see why his C4 is so fast now. :lol: Seriously though, his game style consists of running forward and tapping R1 and being constantly on the move whilst dispatching unexpected units with his C4 also. |
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| Qing Long | Jul 23 2008, 11:44 PM Post #11 |
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Yes, Mitsunari has improved a lot in WO with his awesome R1 (So powerfull O_O !!!) His R1 is abused compared to others characters. XD In add, he grows so fast too, and has others moveset improvement too ^^ However, in SW2, he is already a good character to play, even if he's not that powerfull. |
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| Totoro | Jul 26 2008, 12:55 AM Post #12 |
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Nene I dont really remember, but Im pretty sure you cant use the character change for her in WO  . So that for me, pretty much says she is better in SW2, for changing into any character she wants, of cource that comes with limits, but its fun.
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| MasterofMusou | Jul 26 2008, 01:57 AM Post #13 |
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Story Wise:She dosen't really play any part AT ALL.She leads a resistance force that is defeated and joins Wei and that's it. Gameplay Wise:She stronger of course,but not as fun as she is in SW2XL.I loved the Transforming ability was one of my favorite skills.The clones in here are one less but come out much faster. Overall:Not much of a story and isn't much fun as she was in SW2XL.More powerful but not much fun.Not much else to say here. |
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| Xalfrea | Jul 26 2008, 01:59 AM Post #14 |
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Mitsunari Gameplay Wise In SW2, Mitsunari was a good all around character, his moveset was good around crowd control and at the same time, good against officer duels. In WO that was carried over, but dang... his uber R1 was spammable that you wouldn't care about his moveset. Personality Wise Mitsunari is still the same jack-%$# as he is in SW2, but his friendship with Cao Pit is verrry interesting indeed. Too bad that was never carried over in WO2. Nene Gameplay Wise Not really liking it that much in WO2. In SW2, one of the best things to do was "Shadow Clone Jutsu!", then transform. But in WO2, they didn't add transforming, and that was a huge loss for me when playing Nene. Personality Wise Not much to say. Nene was only in one stage, thats it. All I can say is, she still retains her motherly personality at least. |
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| Encerta | Jul 26 2008, 03:30 AM Post #15 |
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Nene In SW2, her unique ability is to change to any nearby officers. LMAO I would actually think that is really epic. It is a really fun thing to play her in SW2. In WO, she had 2. One being a slam sort, the other being shadows/ afterimages/ what do you call those. Cough. Under comparisons, I would definitely prefer SW2's skills/ abilities more. That not only adds entertainment to gameplay, but also it displays the awesome skills of a ninja! lol But seriously, that skill is awesome to me. |
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| Oblivion | Jul 26 2008, 08:13 AM Post #16 |
Through Light, Through Darkness
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Mitsunari Ishida Gameplay Wise Yeah, I don't really like using Ishida but even I have to say he was broken in MO with his R1, but those days are no more with MO2, nothing else to say about him really Story Wise I liked Koei pairing him with Cao Pi, it was a very interesting friendship they had though is it still important in MO2 I wonder? Nene Gameplay Wise Frankly, with Kunoichi's really useful R1, I didn't use Nene much but just like in SW2, she is still deadly with her C1, C3 and C4 although minus one clone, her grab move is fun to use.  Story Wise Gah, they killed another story though that one stage was fun, it didn't really show any story for Nene except she commanded her own force that consisted mostly of Toyotomi retainers, I like her dialogue with Mitsunari :lol: |
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| Hakumei | Jul 26 2008, 05:51 PM Post #17 |
Heirs to the Legend
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Nene's pretty broken in WO2 Imho. SW2 Strengths: - God-move C1. Double guardbreak with a knockdown stun with wide circular range. You can spam this move over and over as your enemies get back up. - Solid movelist, except for a relatively unsafe C3. - Good specials. Doppelganger specials allow her to remain relatively safe against enemy attacks, and morphing special allows her to be pretty versatile. Summary: Nene's a solid character with one really broken C1. She's got a pretty solid movelist and some good specials. WO2 Strengths: - Doppelgangers activate in an instant with R1. - Unblockable Grapple R1. - C1 - Can jump cancel most of her combos Summary: Nene is considerably buffed up. Her doppelgangers now activate in an instant with a touch of the R1 button which makes her a WHOLE lot stronger. She can easily keep up a constant barrage of attacks without ever being touched. Her grapple R1, though a little weak still has its uses. It's an unblockable attack and can easily be used to dart out of crowds. The jump cancel ability for speed characters also help her out alot. She's no longer vulnerable when using her C3 since you can jump right out of it. Overall, if played correctly, Nene is practically untouchable. I'd say Nene's definitely one of the more stronger characters of WO. Izuna drop FTW! |
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| Mr.Honda | Jul 30 2008, 02:37 PM Post #18 |
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I'll comment on both Mitsunari and Nene Mitsunari Moveset/Gameplay - Directional R1 (L+R1), nuff said. Other than that, his C3 is about the same and his C4 is improved but again, due to elements system. WO2, he gets hit with the nerf stick and his L+R1 no longer damages officers. Story/Personality - This one is a draw. He is one of the better characterizations in both SW2 and WO. I can't actually pick which one I like best. His arrogant, smartass attitude makes the transition to WO with no problems. Placing him with Cao Pi in Wei's story made that one of the more enjoyable stories due to their interaction and also with Da Ji. Nene Moveset/Gameplay - Nene is a character who benefits from the new elements system, but didn't really need it. C1 & C3 remain her best attacks and she still has her clones and double-jump (Air Dash). Although, sometimes I wish her transform special made it to WO. I would LOL to see her transform into Dong Zhuo :lol: Story/Personality - Talk about taking a back seat. Nene is in 1 stage, period. Considering how nasueating her personality can be at times in SW2, this is not necessarily a bad thing. Stuck in a strange world with a huge enemy force breathing down your neck is not a time/place for dishing out spankings :rolleyes: |
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| Totoro | Jul 30 2008, 09:25 PM Post #19 |
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Next Character Tadakatsu Honda He is by far one of my favorites in WO, his moves are excellent. His C3 is so wide ranged and devores anyone near by. His R1 is pretty good aswell, makes him even more powerful. I really like him in this game because he is not following Ieyasu and constantly saying yes my lord. He takes charge and is truely an epic rival for Lu Bu. |
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| Fayt | Jul 30 2008, 09:55 PM Post #20 |
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I have not unlocked Honda Tadakatsu yet in WO to be honest... But as an opponent, he is tougher then ever, he may be strong in SW, but I felt it has increased even more in WO. Putting him on the same level as Lu Bu has pushed the fear factor for him up a notch I believe. I have a feeling I would miss his old special in SW2 however where he uses a few swings of his spear saying "I'm Tadakatsu!" and getting a quick Musou boost. With that I always run around with a full Musou gauge in SW2, in WO it replenishes...but yeah I'd feel very strange not having that in WO. (If I happen to unlock him, I'll compare using him soon enough...) |
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| Mr.Honda | Jul 30 2008, 10:29 PM Post #21 |
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Tadakatsu Honda Moveset/Gameplay - Well, he's one of the strongest attackers in SW2 (the strongest in SW2:XL) so its natural that this would transfer to WO. What I did not expect was for him to be WAY stronger than Lu Bu (in terms of benfitting from elements) and for him to get an R1 that boosts his attack strength, speed and refills life  That alone makes up for his faults and makes him downright broken.Story/Personality - Making the transition to WO really messes up Tadakatsu's personality. He pretty much is clueless as to where he is, and instead focuses on proving his might to anyone brave enough to challenge him, especially Lu Bu and Orochi. This removes the loyal part of his personality since he really doesn't serve anyone but himself. Who knows how he winds up in Shu's WO2 story, but being reunited with Ieyasu could fix that. Until then, I much prefer his SW2 characterization. |
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| Encerta | Jul 31 2008, 03:27 AM Post #22 |
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lol I do know this is a little random but is it just me or.. did anyone notice he is much more skinny that SW2? |
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| Fayt | Jul 31 2008, 03:36 AM Post #23 |
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Really good point, I found that rather odd too actually. Tadakatsu right throughout SW2 is the loyal defender of the Tokugawa, and now, he is more like a rebel, initially that was a real shock to the senses for me. |
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| T.e.n | Jul 31 2008, 03:41 AM Post #24 |
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I actually really liked Tadakatsu's transition for not serving anyone, because it signified that he follows his principals and ideals more than anything. He was shown to have a strong sense of ethics and morality in SW2; one could argue it was Tadakatsu himself who inspired Ieyasu to fight for a peaceful future (alongside the guilt Ieyasu felt over those officer deaths in Mikatagahara). It solidifies that if it came down to it, Tadakatsu would stand for what he believes in over simply following Ieyasu. That being said, it also shows how much Ieyasu potentially needs Tadakatsu - to remind him that following the path that is determined by principal rather than solely focusing on practicality. |
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| MasterofMusou | Jul 31 2008, 03:50 AM Post #25 |
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Story Wise:He's only in a few stages in WO1,but are in many stages in WO2.I like him better in WO2 than in WO1 and SW. Gameplay Wise:He's much stronger than his SW2XL counterpart.ALl of his attacks do more damage than in SW2 and his R1 buff is strong as not only does it make him stronger,he heals health. Overall:He's much better in WO2.The enchant's,abilities,and elemens make him way better than WO1 and MUCH better than his SW2XL version.His C3 and C4 are a real killer. |
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