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| MasterofMusou | Aug 2 2008, 04:03 AM Post #1 |
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I saw that a Tier List topic was never made for the SW series at all,so I thought I'd do it. Note:This is my opinion. Top Tier Characters: Gracia-All she needs is specials.Can heal,increase attack,and powerful R1+S(SS).Her horse attacks are even better than Ma Chao's. Nagamasa Azai-Musou seems to ignore the nerf kinda.Can kill officers. Kojiro Sasaki-Powerful C4,C5,C8,and Deadly C9.Freeze and Musou. Musashi Miyamoto-Strong C4 and unblockable C5.Good Musou that can kill officers. Katsuie Shibata-R1+T and ALL of his charge attacks are great officers and/or crowd killers. Tadakatsu Honda-C5 is basically all he needs.A strong Musou. Toshiie Maeda-C4,C5,C7 and C9.R1 increase attack power Mid Tier Characters: Nobunaga Oda-C5>C2 and C3 Mitsuhide Akechi-Strong charge attacks but not good enough for Top Tier. Yukimura Sanada-Great C4 and C5,Not that strong though. Yoshimoto Imagawa-C4 and C5 are great.Many underestimate him.Also his musou+Play Dead(R1+T) when musou his almost done can do tons of damage. Keiji Maeda-C3 and C5 are good.Decent R1+S. Kenshin Uesugi-R1+S or C9 is good to combine with other attacks.Also since his clone dosen't use elements in Musou,he can do good damage with Awakening level 3. Nene-C5 is strong and creates clones.C4 plus clones are great officer killers.C3 and C1 can take care of crowds. Ginchiyo Tachibana-Both her special are helpful and do good damage.C6,C8 take out officers and crowds,and C9 activates both her specials. Motochika Chosokabe-R1+T is powerful especially when done 3-4 times then exploding.C5 is good.Ice then Musou is deadly. R1-S is strong and a good C5.C4 will take out crowds. Magoichi Saika-C5 is great but it's really all he's got. Mitsunari Ishida-C4 is good and his attacks are very defensive. Sakon Shima-Same as Kotaro Fuma but a little better.C5 isn't as great as some may think though. Kotaro Fuma-C4 is decent but not much else. Hideyoshi Toyotomi-C4 and C8 do good damage but not nearly good enough for Top Tier. Low Tier Characters: Masamune Date-Only C4 and it's not that strong. Oichi-C8 is her best.C9 is good for survivng but weak attacks. Kanetsugu Naoe-Nothing good. Ieyasu Tokugawa-A not so good C4. Ina=R1+T is good.C5 is Fire only. Yoshihiro Shimazu-C8 and C9 are his only attacks worth using and aren't great. Ranmaru Mori-C4 is strong for officers.A worthless C5. Okuni-Only got C5. No-C4 dosen't do a lot of damage and C5 is hard to aim in large crowds. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Aug 2 2008, 10:03 AM Post #2 |
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Gracia wouldn't be top tier in my opinion. Her C1 is great, yes, but her lack of combat skills do not make her very good all-around. Though with the others in that top tier list I can see probably making it, especially Nagamasa since his level 3 musou was fixed. Yoshimoto will be low tier. Sakon could probably make top, well, will be high on the medium list anyway. And Mitsunari was very poor compared to others in SW2. It was just that his R1 in WO made him top tier. |
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| Hakumei | Aug 2 2008, 11:06 AM Post #3 |
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I don't agree with alot of that tier list...How could you rate Mitsunari over Ginchiyo? Mitsunari is terrible in comparison. For one, he's a special type character (with poor specials), and all he really has is his C1 and C4. His C3 is great, but unreliable due to the absurd delay at the last hit. Even with his new C5, he still doesn't have much going for him in comparison to Ginchiyo. I'd also rate Keiji Maeda higher for his broken Reversal move. Sakon would DEFINITELY be higher due to his new C5, as it's a pretty broken move. I wouldn't put Nagamasa so high. Personally I still don't think he has enough to surpass Musashi. And, you didn't place Shingen Takeda. It'd also be cool if you can include info regarding how and why the characters are placed in those specific tiers. |
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| Da Qiao Forever | Aug 2 2008, 02:18 PM Post #4 |
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Lady No shouldn't be Bottom Tier. Her Musou was also fixed and people don't fly off when they are hit with Fireworks. Also her C3 and C4 are very good and powerful in SW2XL with her 5th Weapon. Lightning is very good on her. |
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| Ryuzaki | Aug 2 2008, 03:12 PM Post #5 |
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is this fact or opinion? |
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| LoW | Aug 2 2008, 05:04 PM Post #6 |
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Tier lists are always based on opinions. If they were based on facts people wouldn't argue so much about them >_>. |
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| Hakumei | Aug 2 2008, 07:35 PM Post #7 |
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In comparison to other characters, she has very little going for her still. Her C4 is good, but it's really unsafe. She only has one reliable guardbreak, which is her new C5. Her C1 is too unwieldy. To add to that, Noh's specials really lack utility. The bomb placing crap is much too tedious especially in an officer pile up. It'd be great if you can set the bombs and ignite them at the same time you're attacking, but you can't. From SW2 to SW2XL, she does rise a little with her new charge, but I still wouldn't place her any higher than mid to low tier. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Aug 2 2008, 07:43 PM Post #8 |
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Yes, in order to make a list you need to compare and contrast. Judging a character on his or her own won't show better results than comparing. It would be like thinking everyone is in the top tier because of the Tenbu in WO2. I think it would be generous to put No in the middle area, so its best, like Yoshimoto, to stick to the bottom. |
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| Ryuzaki | Aug 2 2008, 08:22 PM Post #9 |
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i think that Keiji and Yukimura should be in the top tier and Kojiro and Katsuie should move down! |
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| Rydain | Aug 2 2008, 08:46 PM Post #10 |
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Sometimes? Yes. (Case in point - that DW5 hard mode "tier list" that got accepted as a factual document on GameFAQs despite being an opinion rating with subjective tier definitions like "uber", "blows you away", and "lagging".) Always? No. Have you seen calbee219's DW5 chaos mode tier lists or the WO solo run tier discussion that he's leading over on GameFAQs? All of his work is based on observations of offense and defense described in objective, measurable terms. For instance, higher tier WO characters defeat officers in one quick charge or combo regardless of where they are - by themselves, in peon crowds, with groups of other officers, etc. Characters below them require longer combos that might not be consistent in all situations or detached multi-charge offenses like C4, chase enemy, repeat. Move sets naturally determine how quickly and safely characters can kill officers in different situations. If the characters are set up and played to their best potential, observations of offense and defense should be considered factual. As to this topic - like DW5 tiers, SW2 tiers would be determined by measuring a character's defense (ability to survive) and offense (efficiency at defeating officers) against the most difficult scenarios in the game. Offense comes down to how well a character can fill musou, how many musou attacks are required to defeat an officer in the best and worst cases, etc. Are these tiers based on 4th weapons or full customization? (calbee has been working on a full customization SW2 tier list, but it's slow going.) What max-difficulty chaos scenarios were the characters tested against? Can the tiers be described in measurable terms of offensive and defensive ability? |
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| LittleDragonZ | Aug 2 2008, 08:56 PM Post #11 |
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No way! Katsuie is easily top tier. His explosions that surround him whilst attacking are unblockable and cause big damage. And even without it, he is very good as being aggressive and with considerable offense. Keiji Maede was much better in SW1 though. |
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| MasterofMusou | Aug 2 2008, 09:40 PM Post #12 |
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Yoshimoto isn't bad.You underestimate his power.Awakening Level 2 plus the play dead skill is fierce.The main use for it is for it to be used with his self skill to get attack power when low on health.Fall down and get the attack boost. I also edited the first post and added Shingen and chnage a few characters and playing with each. |
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| Ryuzaki | Aug 2 2008, 09:58 PM Post #13 |
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yes i think Katsuie is awsome i just didnt think he should be in top tier but hey if you say so i think hes awsome anyway |
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| LittleDragonZ | Aug 2 2008, 10:07 PM Post #14 |
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@TrueMusou4432: But really thats his only speciality, so I wouldn't call him anything special at all. It would be like saying Gracia is top tier because her C1 is too handy when using her. @Sun Wukong: No worries. Plus with his level 3 musou he gets those combo comets. |
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| M.O.G. | Aug 2 2008, 10:18 PM Post #15 |
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I have to disagree here. Katsuie has great stats and his elemental skill is awesome. With it not only does he automatically break through guards but he can rack up damage on the same level as Musashi, Keiji, or Tadakatsu. As for Kojiro, pretty much all of his charges cover a good deal of the screen, they are fast, freeze very often, and his C7 gives him his life back. Not to mention that his musou attack is one of the best officer killers in the game, made even more lethal with ice element. Edit: As for Nagamasa, he is no longer top tier. With the nerfing of the shura element his musou attack isn't killer anymore. As well as the fact that he no longer needs the wall glitch. Gracia is high mid-tier, because despite her great skills the rest of her moveset pulls here down. And Kanetsugu and Ina are most certainly not bottom tier. Both have abover average movesets. Ina has the elemental activation skill, which makes her very deadly. Kantesugu has the the stun field. ANd give either of them ice element and Awakening level 2 and officers perish very quickly. And please tell me how in the Sam Hill is Nagamasa top tier but Keiji isn't. His strong moveset and killer musou alone would guarantee him a spot there in my book. |
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| MasterofMusou | Aug 3 2008, 02:36 AM Post #16 |
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This is just my own opinion.Post your Tier List. |
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| M.O.G. | Aug 3 2008, 02:48 AM Post #17 |
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And that's just my opinion. I'd rather not make tier lists because everyone's play style is a bit different. You ranked Yoshimoto pretty high, while I'd knock him down to bottom tier. However that didn't stop me from getting him to level 70. So no thanks.
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| Hakumei | Aug 3 2008, 06:49 AM Post #18 |
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I sort of have to disagree about Ina and Kanetsugu. I'm not sure how it is in SW2XL, but Kanetsugu just has terrible stats. His damage output is poor, despite having a pretty good moveset. His slowdown R1 is all well and good, but I still don't feel that it compensates for his poor damage output. I feel Kanetsugu is in Mid-low to low tier. As for Ina, I think she suffers nonetheless. Despite having her elemental special, she lacks a solid guardbreak. It's VERY hard to get through the defenses of officers on higher defenses with Ina. Musou is the only real sure thing she has going for her. So Imho, she's easily outshined by MANY of the characters in the cast. I'd throw her in mid to mid low. I don't feel she's as solid as Ginchiyo. |
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| GoW | Aug 18 2008, 07:12 PM Post #19 |
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I think a tier list for SW2/XL would be alot harder than say the original SW. The characters can now break the limits of their old stats with leveling up to 70, and the weapons and special skills are now customizable and interchangable. Plus with the nerfing of Awakening 3 its hard to kill and officer in a single musou anymore with max attack. And each character plays differently, so putting the same stats (Atk 60, Rng 60, MuCh 40) for offensive maximization on everyone wont work. Gracia and Okuni being such examples. That setup makes Kojiro an offensive beast though. But I guess that would be the beauty of trying to get the orbs and make a character with the right stats and right skill to make such a tier. It would take alot of investment in gold and Hideyoshi's special to make sure everyone got the same skills, :lol: |
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| Seraphil | Aug 18 2008, 09:57 PM Post #20 |
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I'm under the impression that (good) tier lists take into account the absolutely most efficient way to play a character. If Character A has several bad moves but one extremely broken move that basically lets him breeze through any situation, that character would rank higher than Character B who just has several decent moves. It's like why Nagamasa was ranked Top tier in Sengoku Musou 2, almost solely due to the wall glitch musou combined with Awakening 3. |
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| MasterofMusou | Aug 19 2008, 09:48 AM Post #21 |
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Hakumei it's different in SW2XL.Since you get everyone up to level 70 his attack strength increases.Also you have orbs so you can put three orbs on his 4th/5th weapon and give him +60 attack. Okehazama-Oda side could be a good officer test.Charge into the Imagawa main camp and you face hordes of officers. Many say that merceneary is easy because of special rules.Well it can make it very hard.Like hight in the floor someone can take out your your entire health gauge in one hit.Not being able to roll or dodge won't help either.And you WILL DIE if ANY sword generic hits you will their C2(even with Opportunity).With Damage times two even though you do more damage,that dosen't compare to what they can do,They can kill you in one normal attack.And I use characters that are level 70 have max skills and max defense on their weapon.I don't see how many can say it's easy as it's harder than in Survival Mode. And I know about how to play characters differently.Since I have 4th and 5th weapons of all characters I design one for Musou abuse if they're good at it,some for both high attack and defense and some for just attack or defense.I have 99 of all orbs and max gold(9999999 or close to it) so customizing won't be a problem. I think for SW2XL, they should have all skills max but have Awakening at level two since not only did they nerf the demon element and awakening level 3, but they buffed up awakening level 2. The special skill "spring" is kinda broken as you can spam your jump charge at any time after using a charge attack(Most charge attacks).It helps keep up a combo after the enemy might have been pushed away after the charge attack.Others are good for certain characters but most characters should have spring. I might decide to work on an actual Tier List and not an opinionated one. |
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| Tae Seong Kim | Aug 20 2008, 07:33 AM Post #22 |
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Gracia is really good! One thing about her is that she does not have to really on any life ups when she is low in life. She can simply hit triangle a couple of times and heal. When she is surrounded and is in serious danger of dying, she can activate her Musou to take advantage of the invincibility and heal. By the time her Musou ends, she has a full life bar. That means she get get hit some more and regain her Musou again to repeat the process! :lol: Other high tier characters can activate their Musou when in danger, but when their Musous end, they will still have the same amount of life and will probably die. Her level 3 Musou is really good mainly because the tornadoes doesn't juggle. So your enemies are toast when they get hit since they are getting hit everywhere while you are getting in a free combo at the same time. If they block it, then try to cross them up and hit them from behind to make them lose their guard... ja. It kinda funny how she has the lowest attack stats but probably does the most damage out of the cast by using her.... "maaagggiiicccc!!!!" Here is how I would rank them btw: S Shibata Katsuie - 100 points Miyamoto Musashi - 100 Tadakatsu Honda - 100 A Azai Nagamasa - 98 Gracia - 98 Uesugi Kenshin - 97 Sanada Yukimura - 96 Maeda Keiji - 96 Ginchiyo Tachibana - 96 Shima Sakon - 96 Maeda Toshiie - 96 Naoe Kanetsugu - 93 Sasaki Kojiro - 93 Akechi Mitsuhide - 91 B Ina - 88 Date Masamune - 85 Oda Nobunaga - 85 Hashiba Hideyoshi - 84 Oichi - 83 Nene - 83 Hattori Hanzou - 80 C Ieyasu Tokugawa - 77 Ranmaru - 77 Fuuma Kotaro - 75 Okuni - 74 Ishida Mitsunari - 72 Saika Magoichi - 71  Imagawa Yoshimoto - 69 Chosokabe Motochika - 66 Noh - 65 Yoshihiro Shimazu - 62 Takeda Shingen - 55 I basically copied and pasted my list from gfaqs and revised it a bit. Explanation on the placing of the characters will come if someone asks. |
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| Raiko Z | Aug 20 2008, 04:33 PM Post #23 |
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I think Motochika should be in A or B list because his Musou is release Special Mega Bass waves that will sweep the enemy away. |
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| Scott | Aug 21 2008, 03:50 AM Post #24 |
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Ya know. I hate to pull the "you're just not playing the character right" defense...but Anyone who says Kanetsugu Sucks is not playing him right. In SW2 he was fairly average (Unless you had awakening. I killed Tadakatsu on Chaos mode with a single level 3 musuo), but in SW2XL, He's been greatly improved. He has an amazing 5th weapon. The Ice element in it turns his musuo into raining meteors of Death against any general. None of his moves are bad. He has a good C1 that hits a good area and breaks guard on the first hit. His C2 launcher is average, but not bad. His C3 decimates officers and oncoming crowds, and his C4 Decimates crowds. Even his new C5 is decently powerful. His musuo takes some getting used to, but a frozen officer is doomed. I've used it to nuke crowds for safety on more than one occasion. His special skill, Omniscient is pretty neat really. A 360 guard isn't amazing, but there are far far worse. His R1 Skills are like most special types interesting The slow down is a good fast way to stun a general I suppose, and the charm defense is just lets you knock things over like a horse. Overall I'd put him in the upper area of Mid-Tier. He's nicely well rounded but plenty of options when playing. |
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| Kotaro | Aug 23 2008, 01:20 AM Post #25 |
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Katsuie Kojiro Toshiie Motochika Gracia Yoshimoto And there's my unbaised opinion on a SW2XL Tier List. |
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