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SW3 Hopes, Predictions and Speculations
Topic Started: Oct 2 2008, 08:22 PM (19,749 Views)
Musashi-Miyamoto	Jun 3 2009, 05:13 PM Post #576
あなたが知ってる... Posts: 119 Group: Members Member #7,580 Joined: May 27, 2007	Guess the most likely play we'll place we'll hear more news is TGS.
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Qiao Grace	Jun 9 2009, 06:44 AM Post #577
Sergeant Posts: 21 Group: Members Member #22,307 Joined: June 6, 2009 Gender Female	I hope koei gives us some new information because i'm dying to know what's going on with the game.I hope they send us some more character screenshots and trailers. The only things I wish for are 1. Kunoichi available as a playable character 2.Every character gets a Story mode 3.New costumes for each character.At least 4 each 4.A new improved C.A.W mode 5.Keep all characters from SW2 and Xtreme legends.If this happens in samurai warriors 3 I'll be very very happy



Divine Mercy	Jun 10 2009, 03:39 PM Post #578
Objection your honor, that is out of the question. Posts: 38 Group: Members Member #15,191 Joined: May 2, 2008 Gender Female	...Wow. A lot went on in this thread. I was just reading through pages 1-15 and I'm not even going to start with the whole racist/white faces thing. I...honestly don't care 8') Anyway. Back on topic. In the event that this comment will echo everyone else's comments, I apologize now. Everything I wanted was pretty much said, BUTTT. I shall add some stuff: 1.) I don't want cuts either, but if someone has to go, I want it to be Okuni. Her story is not relevant at all, no matter how I look at it. It's just not that relevant to me. 2.) I will cry inside if Gracia gets cut. This may be bias talking, but she has a lot of potential for a good story. I don't mind the whole following Magoichi thing, (it's kind of cute actually) but more emphasis on her husband (like maybe, just maybe, MAKE HIM A UNIQUE CHARACTER.) and his history with other clans (refusing to help HER FATHER, Tokugawa...blah blah) and her Christianity. I mean, doesn't anyone in the game ever wonder why the hell her name sounds nothing like a normal Japanese name? I love her to bits, and I'd really hate to see an underdeveloped character get the boot so quickly. Plus, Hideyoshi + Ieyasu = didn't like Christianity. There's another good story. 3.) Kunoichi vs. Nene I am neutral. Keep them both if you have to. 4.) Katakura Kojuuro has got to get in this game. Or more Date generals, because Masamune needs someone to slap him silly when his ego makes him high. ....No, seriously, I'm echoing everyone else, so I'll just shut up now \|D I'll think of something else I'd like to see in the game later.
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Osiris	Jul 2 2009, 04:12 PM Post #579
Tiger General Posts: 442 Group: Members Member #18,600 Joined: September 27, 2008	Just asking, when is the TGS? Because it's been a bit too long without any information since the game was announced way back when (last year iirc). Also, whilst I'm not exactly a living library when it comes to info on various characters in this series/period of life, I hear interesting things about Dousen Saito so I'd like him to be included, and I'd also like a bit more pre-Honnoji stuff with the other clans who were doing their own thing, and a bit more post-Sekigahara stuff as well. This is basically because character wise the series feels very much Nobunaga-centric, and the plot feels very Sekigahara-centric. Not everything has to end with those two. If anything, they were just the beginning. One thing I would like is a mission based around the Korean-invasion by Toyotomi. I know people will say 'it's a japanese story!' and that but if they get the Nanman vibe (although please don't treat them as a joke, as from what I believe Toyotomi got his ass whooped by them, compared to the Nanman who were completely outclassed by Zhuge Liang) then there's every reason to include them in the game. I wouldn't mind seeing another Takeda/Uesugi battle as well. From what I believe they had many interesting battles and the game only portrays one of them. So yeah, I don't really know of any specific characters or their importance (compared to the ones who are actually in the series so far) but surely another Takeda and Uesugi officer are both needed, as well as 2-3 Date members and the Asakura need some representation as well. They play a big role in a few Musou modes and it's annoying to see them as generic officers (they'd also count as part-Azai members so it helps beef up the clans a bit). The Hojo also need some unique characters and I think the Tokugawa and Toyotomi need one or two more Unique designs as well for their ultimate battles, although that seems to be of the general opinion here. I'm not fussed on who they specifically add, as I think the individual names aren't so important in this series, it's just a case of making up the numbers. I'm not bothered if they choose the 6th most important person in the Date clan over the 5th (I know there's people here who would rage about that all day), just so long as there's more various clan members is all that's important to me, and the series as a whole. Edited by Osiris, Jul 2 2009, 04:16 PM.
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foomin	Jul 2 2009, 04:34 PM Post #580
"i smell poop..." Posts: 2,739 Group: Members Member #4,229 Joined: November 17, 2006	now that Sengoku Basara has gotten the jump on SW3, i'll bet we get some kind of info in the near future.
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joeblack	Jul 2 2009, 11:59 PM Post #581
Elite Soldier Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #8,620 Joined: July 20, 2007	Osiris Jul 2 2009, 04:12 PM Just asking, when is the TGS? Because it's been a bit too long without any information since the game was announced way back when (last year iirc). Also, whilst I'm not exactly a living library when it comes to info on various characters in this series/period of life, I hear interesting things about Dousen Saito so I'd like him to be included, and I'd also like a bit more pre-Honnoji stuff with the other clans who were doing their own thing, and a bit more post-Sekigahara stuff as well. This is basically because character wise the series feels very much Nobunaga-centric, and the plot feels very Sekigahara-centric. Not everything has to end with those two. If anything, they were just the beginning. One thing I would like is a mission based around the Korean-invasion by Toyotomi. I know people will say 'it's a japanese story!' and that but if they get the Nanman vibe (although please don't treat them as a joke, as from what I believe Toyotomi got his ass whooped by them, compared to the Nanman who were completely outclassed by Zhuge Liang) then there's every reason to include them in the game. I wouldn't mind seeing another Takeda/Uesugi battle as well. From what I believe they had many interesting battles and the game only portrays one of them. So yeah, I don't really know of any specific characters or their importance (compared to the ones who are actually in the series so far) but surely another Takeda and Uesugi officer are both needed, as well as 2-3 Date members and the Asakura need some representation as well. They play a big role in a few Musou modes and it's annoying to see them as generic officers (they'd also count as part-Azai members so it helps beef up the clans a bit). The Hojo also need some unique characters and I think the Tokugawa and Toyotomi need one or two more Unique designs as well for their ultimate battles, although that seems to be of the general opinion here. I'm not fussed on who they specifically add, as I think the individual names aren't so important in this series, it's just a case of making up the numbers. I'm not bothered if they choose the 6th most important person in the Date clan over the 5th (I know there's people here who would rage about that all day), just so long as there's more various clan members is all that's important to me, and the series as a whole. TGS is about mid or late september. now i know some people want dosan saito as a playable charcter but i just dont see him as having as great of historical story line since the only 2 battles you could really find any data on are kanoguchi against oda nobuhide and nagarawara against his son yoshitatsu. for the most part he rose up through schemeing. now the reason i think people care about who gets in is because people who are more important and did more in their career usally can have a more historical story that can be great instead of something made up. i for one like it when they romantanize history rather than just make up weird battles that at times to me just feel out of place. as far as the korean invasions goal. the toyotomi did not get whooped on. they did very well when it came to land battle and had progressed very well on land but due to poor naval battles and the fact korea had a very good admiral in yi sun-sin they could not provide enough provisions to their land forces. also ming china had also finally intervened and after a little while



Last_Stallion	Jul 7 2009, 02:12 PM Post #582
First Lieutenant Posts: 192 Group: Members Member #10,328 Joined: October 13, 2007	The No.1 thing I want most is that the game be released on other platforms other than Wii. Cause there is no way I'm buying a Wii just for the sake of this game cause It will be the biggest waste ever, I refuse to buy a Wii. Mainly because there isnt a single game on Wii that inters=ests me thats on another platform, the only game that interests me slightly is House of the dead:overkill because of the record, but back on topic I really hope this is released on other platforms!!!!! KOEI has angered me too many times and this is the last straw if this is released only on Wii!!
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PhineBuyM3	Jul 7 2009, 02:14 PM Post #583
Soldier Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #21,735 Joined: April 20, 2009 Gender Male	Hopes 1)No character cuts/cloned movesets I hope koei learned their lesson with DW6 2)Something similar to renbu 3)I want Hanzo Hattori to get a complete overhaul like Yoshimitsu is getting in Tekken 6 4)Release This game on PS2/PS3/Xbox 360 I'm not a "wii hater" as I plan on getting one soon but I prefer My hack n slash games on ps2,ps3,360 and I'm sick of devs. jumping on the wii fad thinking their gonna get halo sales if they release their game on the wii.



donthatekongming	Jul 7 2009, 05:28 PM Post #584
Torment of the underworld Posts: 761 Group: Members Member #10,635 Joined: October 27, 2007	Wow just wow koei. A Wii exclusive? Gimme a break the Wii is for kids and families, how is it going to do well on the Wii. I think they are doing this because Koei is lazy and they dont want to improve the graphics. They can still use SW2 engine...........so lazy koei



foomin	Jul 7 2009, 06:35 PM Post #585
"i smell poop..." Posts: 2,739 Group: Members Member #4,229 Joined: November 17, 2006	i'd just like to point out that the representative from KOEI went to great pains to point out that SW3 for Wii would be out this year, sounds to me like it'll be a DW6 sort of affair, and they'll release multiple version of the title. but that's me "reading between the lines". however, i've still not seen the words Wii EXCLUSIVE used in reference to SW3.
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Akiro	Jul 7 2009, 07:03 PM Post #586
We found a new kinda dance in a magazine, try it out, it's like nothing you've ever seen! Posts: 2,182 Group: Members Member #20,791 Joined: February 17, 2009 PlayStation Network ID NPZB-Zaki	foomin Jul 7 2009, 06:35 PM i'd just like to point out that the representative from KOEI went to great pains to point out that SW3 for Wii would be out this year, sounds to me like it'll be a DW6 sort of affair, and they'll release multiple version of the title. but that's me "reading between the lines". however, i've still not seen the words Wii EXCLUSIVE used in reference to SW3. I hope your right foomin, about the whole WII exclusive thing, but they have been working on this game all year, maybey its doing good progress and it wont be rushed. Hopefully we atleast get a port SOON after the realease. And i wonder if SW3 will get good sales on the WII since it seems most fans on KW dont have a WII or wont buy this game for their WII and rather wait for it to come out on other consoles.Especially since most people who play video games are either against koei, or fans of them. Anyway im just ranting, this pisses me off, i have been waiting for this game for awhile and to find out i cant get it.... well its just a bummer.
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foomin	Jul 7 2009, 07:12 PM Post #587
"i smell poop..." Posts: 2,739 Group: Members Member #4,229 Joined: November 17, 2006	Miyazaki Jul 7 2009, 07:03 PM foomin Jul 7 2009, 06:35 PM i'd just like to point out that the representative from KOEI went to great pains to point out that SW3 for Wii would be out this year, sounds to me like it'll be a DW6 sort of affair, and they'll release multiple version of the title. but that's me "reading between the lines". however, i've still not seen the words Wii EXCLUSIVE used in reference to SW3. I hope your right foomin, about the whole WII exclusive thing, but they have been working on this game all year, maybey its doing good progress and it wont be rushed. Hopefully we atleast get a port SOON after the realease. And i wonder if SW3 will get good sales on the WII since it seems most fans on KW dont have a WII or wont buy this game for their WII and rather wait for it to come out on other consoles.Especially since most people who play video games are either against koei, or fans of them. Anyway im just ranting, this pisses me off, i have been waiting for this game for awhile and to find out i cant get it.... well its just a bummer. i have access to all three consoles(i own both PS3 and 360, my best friend who lives in the next apartment over has a Wii) so i'm going to buy and play whatever comes out, but no one can imagine that whatever gam KOEI makes for the Wii could just be ported to the other consoles...just look at how different the current crop of games that are multi platform look and play. i just read yesterday in GI that Ghostbusters for Wii was like an entirely different game because the technology of the other two console JUST is'nt there. don could be right and KOEI's being lazy yet again, but after the response to initial response DW6, dumbing down their most popular franchise is marketplace suicide.
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Akiro	Jul 7 2009, 07:20 PM Post #588
We found a new kinda dance in a magazine, try it out, it's like nothing you've ever seen! Posts: 2,182 Group: Members Member #20,791 Joined: February 17, 2009 PlayStation Network ID NPZB-Zaki	foomin Jul 7 2009, 07:12 PM Miyazaki Jul 7 2009, 07:03 PM foomin Jul 7 2009, 06:35 PM i'd just like to point out that the representative from KOEI went to great pains to point out that SW3 for Wii would be out this year, sounds to me like it'll be a DW6 sort of affair, and they'll release multiple version of the title. but that's me "reading between the lines". however, i've still not seen the words Wii EXCLUSIVE used in reference to SW3. I hope your right foomin, about the whole WII exclusive thing, but they have been working on this game all year, maybey its doing good progress and it wont be rushed. Hopefully we atleast get a port SOON after the realease. And i wonder if SW3 will get good sales on the WII since it seems most fans on KW dont have a WII or wont buy this game for their WII and rather wait for it to come out on other consoles.Especially since most people who play video games are either against koei, or fans of them. Anyway im just ranting, this pisses me off, i have been waiting for this game for awhile and to find out i cant get it.... well its just a bummer. i have access to all three consoles(i own both PS3 and 360, my best friend who lives in the next apartment over has a Wii) so i'm going to buy and play whatever comes out, but no one can imagine that whatever gam KOEI makes for the Wii could just be ported to the other consoles...just look at how different the current crop of games that are multi platform look and play. i just read yesterday in GI that Ghostbusters for Wii was like an entirely different game because the technology of the other two console JUST is'nt there. don could be right and KOEI's being lazy yet again, but after the response to initial response DW6, dumbing down their most popular franchise is marketplace suicide. Maybey SW3 is wii's test drive??? I don't know. this just sucks for me.... have Koei just forgotten about their LOYAL as hell fans who dont have acess to wiis. I know they are a company and dont jive a crap about the individual but the fans MAKE koei.Not everyone has a wii, and it just plain blows... theres no two ways about it, for people without wiis, and given the current information available, it sucks. And isn't nintendo already working on a new and improved console? Wouldn't that make most new, wii exclusive games, just fail with their sales? i hope this game doesn't sell good on the wii so Koei learns a lesson, but thats impossible since the wii is so damn popular...
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RoyalRocket	Jul 7 2009, 08:13 PM Post #589
Officer Posts: 82 Group: Members Member #22,374 Joined: June 11, 2009 Gender Male	Hopefully they dont mess with the controls for wii, and it better be for other systems too, Imagine your Samurai warrior people become miis on wii and you have to use them lol. That wont happen most likely not lol.



SJFaith	Jul 7 2009, 08:41 PM Post #590
KOEI Game Promoter Since 2007 Posts: 1,380 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007 Xbox Live Gamertag sj88	Hmmm Lets see if SW3 is on Wii only the results most likely will be it Does well in sales in Japan obviously but will be awful everywhere else because of the fact roughly 85% of Gamers own either an Xbox 360/PS3 and not a Wii Does everyone else think they'll try to make a SW3 Special of some sort? Edited by SJFaith, Jul 7 2009, 08:43 PM.
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ChibiGingi	Jul 7 2009, 09:09 PM Post #591
Nurturing Spirits Posts: 2,504 Group: Members Member #10,930 Joined: November 9, 2007 Gender Female PlayStation Network ID ChibiGingi	I'm not really angry that it looks to be Wii exclusive at this point, but at the same time, I'm not that happy either. My access to a Wii is limited, and I sure as hell won't get a Wii just for this game. Sorry, Masamune, Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, etc... I'll get it eventually, but not immediately. Sorry Koei.
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legendaryhero90	Jul 7 2009, 09:44 PM Post #592
I'm watching you... Posts: 149 Group: Members Member #6,343 Joined: March 27, 2007	dam it... as long as there is no cuts, more people added and the gameplay isnt some arcade rail shooter-like game similar to S. Katana on Wii then i would buy it. if SW3 touches any of those issues, im skipping SW3 for Wii. yes i have a wii, so what??? Edited by legendaryhero90, Jul 7 2009, 09:45 PM.



joeblack	Jul 7 2009, 10:24 PM Post #593
Elite Soldier Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #8,620 Joined: July 20, 2007	Miyazaki Jul 7 2009, 07:20 PM foomin Jul 7 2009, 07:12 PM Miyazaki Jul 7 2009, 07:03 PM foomin Jul 7 2009, 06:35 PM i'd just like to point out that the representative from KOEI went to great pains to point out that SW3 for Wii would be out this year, sounds to me like it'll be a DW6 sort of affair, and they'll release multiple version of the title. but that's me "reading between the lines". however, i've still not seen the words Wii EXCLUSIVE used in reference to SW3. I hope your right foomin, about the whole WII exclusive thing, but they have been working on this game all year, maybey its doing good progress and it wont be rushed. Hopefully we atleast get a port SOON after the realease. And i wonder if SW3 will get good sales on the WII since it seems most fans on KW dont have a WII or wont buy this game for their WII and rather wait for it to come out on other consoles.Especially since most people who play video games are either against koei, or fans of them. Anyway im just ranting, this pisses me off, i have been waiting for this game for awhile and to find out i cant get it.... well its just a bummer. i have access to all three consoles(i own both PS3 and 360, my best friend who lives in the next apartment over has a Wii) so i'm going to buy and play whatever comes out, but no one can imagine that whatever gam KOEI makes for the Wii could just be ported to the other consoles...just look at how different the current crop of games that are multi platform look and play. i just read yesterday in GI that Ghostbusters for Wii was like an entirely different game because the technology of the other two console JUST is'nt there. don could be right and KOEI's being lazy yet again, but after the response to initial response DW6, dumbing down their most popular franchise is marketplace suicide. Maybey SW3 is wii's test drive??? I don't know. this just sucks for me.... have Koei just forgotten about their LOYAL as hell fans who dont have acess to wiis. I know they are a company and dont jive a crap about the individual but the fans MAKE koei.Not everyone has a wii, and it just plain blows... theres no two ways about it, for people without wiis, and given the current information available, it sucks. And isn't nintendo already working on a new and improved console? Wouldn't that make most new, wii exclusive games, just fail with their sales? i hope this game doesn't sell good on the wii so Koei learns a lesson, but thats impossible since the wii is so damn popular... im actually not sure how well this game will do. yes the wii is popular but not mainly for its first party titles and not the third party titles. thats why samurai warriors katana didnt do so well. on the other hand samurai and dynasty warriors games are big sellers in japan so this game can go either way right now. i really wish they would make SW3 for PS3 and 360. i think in the long run it would be the best move for koei and the fans. but who knows what they will do



ZalbaagoftheHokuten	Jul 7 2009, 11:31 PM Post #594
When I say I'll kill you, there's nothing you can do but die Posts: 168 Group: Members Member #10,502 Joined: October 21, 2007 Gender Male	I really do not understand Koei's reasoning for behind making it a wii only game (if it truly is). The producer said it himself in the interview that the wii tends to hit the casual crowd and they stay AWAY from action games such as warriors titles. To be honest I hope this game fails if it is wii exclusive that way Koei will decide to never make a game for that crappy system again. /end rant. Edited by ZalbaagoftheHokuten, Jul 7 2009, 11:31 PM.
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Seraphil	Jul 7 2009, 11:47 PM Post #595
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 4,249 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	This is not the place to whine about the Wii. The Stickied topic about Wii-Hating is not there for show. This is just a reminder. For now.
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Burning Devil Scholar	Jul 8 2009, 12:10 AM Post #596
Tigris Posts: 1,093 Group: Members Member #14,759 Joined: April 15, 2008 Gender Male	I felt too bitchy after posting, so thought I'd get rid of it . Edited by Burning Devil Scholar, Jul 8 2009, 12:17 AM.
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ChibiGingi	Jul 8 2009, 06:20 AM Post #597
Nurturing Spirits Posts: 2,504 Group: Members Member #10,930 Joined: November 9, 2007 Gender Female PlayStation Network ID ChibiGingi	Seraphil Jul 7 2009, 11:47 PM This is not the place to whine about the Wii. The Stickied topic about Wii-Hating is not there for show. This is just a reminder. For now. Actually, I wasn't aware that there was said topic, so my apologies. I normally don't jump on the 'bash a console' bandwagon so I guess I never really look for those threads. Either way, maybe the Wii version will come out first, then, inevitably, the Special will come out for the PS2. Come on, Koei isn't going to blow off their loyal Japanese fans that cling to their PS2s, not when its them getting them the most money.
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Avuneon	Jul 8 2009, 01:44 PM Post #598
Villain's Sweet Chosen Posts: 238 Group: Members Member #13,200 Joined: February 10, 2008	They said they wanted to do the Wii thing, so what I think is thye are going to release it for the Wii and then later port it to the other systems. Personally, I am hoping for a PS3 port a few months down the road. I just don't believe that the Wii has the power needed to keep a Warriors game up to snuff. I truly hope they do not make the controls like Katana. I disliked it mightily... I enjoy the hack'n'slash, and not the first person so much. I like knowing what's behind me, y'know?
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Osiris	Jul 8 2009, 02:00 PM Post #599
Tiger General Posts: 442 Group: Members Member #18,600 Joined: September 27, 2008	When they see how little the game sells they will rush a shoddy PS3/360 port out within 3 months. Bank on it. We'll then have to wait for an Xteme Legends version a year later for the proper game we should've got originally. It's a shame and I don't want to look like a hater, but this is probably what's going to happen.
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Avuneon	Jul 8 2009, 02:05 PM Post #600
Villain's Sweet Chosen Posts: 238 Group: Members Member #13,200 Joined: February 10, 2008	I know this isn't what is going to happen, but this is about our hopes, right? I hope htey are currently working on the PS3/360 versions at the same time, so it work be a crappy port. However, deep down, I feel that it will be a poor last minute last ditch effort...
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