Enemy AI in Warriors Games

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Should they be improved?
Yes they should.	14 (77.8%)
No, keep it the same.	1 (5.6%)
Don't care.	3 (16.7%)
Other	0 (0%)
Total Votes: 18

Enemy AI in Warriors Games
Topic Started: Nov 16 2008, 11:39 AM (263 Views)
MasterofMusou	Nov 16 2008, 11:39 AM Post #1
Certain Kill... GIGA DRILL BREAKER!!!!! Posts: 1,310 Group: Members Member #16,014 Joined: June 7, 2008 Gender Male	Do you think Koei should increase the AI of the enemy or just leave it the way it is? I personally don't really care, just as long as I don't have to worry about bein killed in 5 hits.
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LittleDragonZ	Nov 16 2008, 11:53 AM Post #2
Behold the spear of Baby Dragon! Posts: 6,807 Group: Admins Member #3,636 Joined: October 5, 2006 Gender Male	Yes, no doubt about it. The games recently have been too friendly, its very simple and straight-forward to beat the titles, and making the enemy on Chaos like in DW5's Wu Zhang Plains is not the way to go in my opinion. They just hit you terribly hard and then act daft for the rest of the stage with you having no health items to aid you. I like the way DW3 and Dynasty Warriors: Gundam does it - aggressive combat and weak-hitting attacks, both ways. That's the way I hope the trend turns back into. Edited by LittleDragonZ, Nov 16 2008, 11:54 AM.



MasterofMusou	Nov 18 2008, 12:49 AM Post #3
Certain Kill... GIGA DRILL BREAKER!!!!! Posts: 1,310 Group: Members Member #16,014 Joined: June 7, 2008 Gender Male	I suppose they can be aggressive. Just don't have them dealing massive amounts of damage in 3 hits.
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Fayt	Nov 18 2008, 01:00 AM Post #4
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	MasterofMusou Nov 18 2008, 12:49 AM I suppose they can be aggressive. Just don't have them dealing massive amounts of damage in 3 hits. That is pretty much it. I want smarter opponents, not overpowered ones. Getting hit 2 or 3 times to die is not difficult, it just makes the opponent broken and frustrating. Enemy power alone should be determined by the difficulty setting. But having someone move skillfully, time attacks and defend well is completely different, that is the type of AI I'd like to face when fighting opposing officers. Occasionally you get an officer that defends well and uses quick jump attacks on you, but not often enough. I'd love more challenging battles like that.
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PSY	Nov 22 2008, 07:11 AM Post #5
I'm gonna rip out your guts Posts: 855 Group: Members Member #17,965 Joined: September 1, 2008 Gender Female	Fayt Nov 18 2008, 01:00 AM That is pretty much it. I want smarter opponents, not overpowered ones. Getting hit 2 or 3 times to die is not difficult, it just makes the opponent broken and frustrating. Enemy power alone should be determined by the difficulty setting. But having someone move skillfully, time attacks and defend well is completely different, that is the type of AI I'd like to face when fighting opposing officers. Occasionally you get an officer that defends well and uses quick jump attacks on you, but not often enough. I'd love more challenging battles like that. I agree with you. Smarter opponents can be more interesting and challenging to be fought with especially fighting against enemy officers. Some enemy AI defends well and it makes you frustrated at the same time. On chaos mode is where you find it the most difficult to beat enemy. The enemy hits you so hard. For just about 3 to 4 hits, your vitality turns to red... and that is too massive amounts of damage.
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Xalfrea	Nov 22 2008, 07:21 AM Post #6
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Orochi SIN	Nov 22 2008, 06:26 PM Post #7
Sergeant Posts: 25 Group: Members Member #19,591 Joined: November 17, 2008 Gender Male	Absolutely. You just can't simply increase the atk power of the soldiers in harder difficulties! AI aggressiveness is everything.
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l00mer	Nov 22 2008, 06:41 PM Post #8
General Posts: 232 Group: Members Member #18,825 Joined: October 5, 2008 Gender Male	I think enemy AI has been slowly decreasing, it was better in 2 and 3, at least the enemies moved about and attacked you. Now they seem to walk about in a circle, continuously, still fun to kill them though



TheMightyMarkSimo	Jun 23 2009, 08:52 AM Post #9
Liverpool FC fan Posts: 305 Group: Members Member #22,316 Joined: June 6, 2009 Gender Male	It's kinda weird because on novice difficulties they just stand aroung you moving about Then they stop....and move around some more On Chaos they are waaaaaaay too beefed in terms of attack Especially the archers "sighs" Bloody archers
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Kirarakun	Jun 24 2009, 01:23 AM Post #10
Elite Soldier Posts: 39 Group: Members Member #18,620 Joined: September 28, 2008 Gender Male	Sure. It makes things more challenging. I don't mean by just increasing the strength and defense of enemy AI but actually make them move quickly.



Ganheim	Jul 9 2009, 09:30 PM Post #11
We're drowning in information and starving for knowledge Posts: 172 Group: Members Member #17,622 Joined: August 18, 2008	Fayt Nov 18 2008, 01:00 AM Getting hit 2 or 3 times to die is not difficult, it just makes the opponent broken and frustrating. Enemy power alone should be determined by the difficulty setting. But having someone move skillfully, time attacks and defend well is completely different, that is the type of AI I'd like to face when fighting opposing officers. Occasionally you get an officer that defends well and uses quick jump attacks on you, but not often enough. I'd love more challenging battles like that. Seconded. I'd rather face enemies where the difficulty will open up more attacks (say, for example using DW6) in easy they start in Renbu 1, in Medium their lowest setting is Renbu 2, Hard has Renbu 3, and they're permanently in Infinite Renbu in Chaos. That way we get a greater variety of attacks and therefore ways of trying to counter them. DW6 was something that I could do little but laugh at, because I could sit the controller down (any difficulty) and just walk away: the peons would just stand there like weeds. Being able to customize the difficulty (maybe enabling/disabling an attack boost, defense boost, renbu boost) would be cool too, but that's never going to happen. For the record, since Gundam Musou's been mentioned, I want to say I'd rather not see other games like that. Anybody else note how annoying it is that enemies can block your entire moveset, even musou/special attacks (even with Pressure Hit), even if they're facing the opposite direction? That's not fun, that's aggravating. Give me an enemy that will look for openings in my patterns, swing when he sees an opening (falling for feints), and encourage (while not forcing) me to use special moves - the Darknuts in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess are probably some of my favourite enemies of all time, because they're challenging, strong, and fast, but still vulnerable if you're quick on your feet...er, thumbs, and while Backslice works excellently you can also time their patterns and pre-empt one of their slices with a lunge of your own. Now that's fun.
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JasBell	Jul 10 2009, 12:28 AM Post #12
Deadliest Warrior ever to grace to battlefield Posts: 474 Group: Members Member #21,884 Joined: May 3, 2009 Gender Male	Yes they should improved it like DW3 and DW4 difficulty. The AI is to soft on you and it's give you way to much time to counter attack them and kick thier ass. IMO the AI should be alot stronger and fierce in future DW and SW titles.
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Wu Song	Jul 15 2009, 02:14 PM Post #13
General of the North Posts: 401 Group: Members Member #22,748 Joined: July 10, 2009 Gender Male	I say put at the best AI in a DW game but I hope Koei don't give them a one hit kill combo really XD
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Mr.Honda	Jul 15 2009, 03:03 PM Post #14
Actively Retired Posts: 4,070 Group: Members Member #7,393 Joined: May 17, 2007 Gender Male	Funny no one has mentioned the difficulty of Strikeforce yet in this topic ... When it comes to the basic DW/SW/WO game, I think the AI needs to change, absolutely. There hasn't yet been a happy medium between the mindless fodder AI and the uber-strong-kill-you-in-3-hits AI in the games I've played. If DW6 fixed this, then so be it ... I haven't played it Strikeforce AI is more aggresive from the start and enemies hit harder as you progress and become lethal on 5-star stages. Granted, they allow the enemy officers (even generics) to abuse hyper & Fury modes later on in the game, sometimes to the point of outright cheating (I'm looking at you, Lu Bu ) I can say though that in all the time I've spent playing Strikeforce, I haven't had a dull moment where I feel like I don't even need to look at the screen, like I have in the past with previous games. Its remained a challenge every time I pick it up.
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Xuan Zhongda	Jul 15 2009, 03:22 PM Post #15
Where mah money!? WHERE!? Posts: 533 Group: Members Member #21,435 Joined: March 25, 2009	As Sima Yi says, the mind will vanquish the sword. I'd much rather have some DECENT AI with DECENT brains. Sure, they need to do damage, yes, but they to be smart and at least somewhat damaging. Bottom line, have some more brains in the next game KOEI . It'll be better that way.
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