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Who has the best chance to be a new character?; This is different then the SW3 wishlist
Topic Started: Nov 19 2008, 03:46 AM (4,598 Views)
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I am also pretty confident that it is Chiyome, I don't really see who else it could be without repeating the whole Kunoichi/Nene route of either being fictional or poorly represented. (not that it ever bugged me)

If it is her, based on the silhouette, she doesn't exactly look the way I would expect her to but I'll live.

I actually do think the first two are Chiyome and Kiyomasa Kato. Both very relevant and both somewhat popular. As for Matsu, thanks to Toshiie, I think her chances are higher than ever, but I don't think KOEI will rush to put her in the game any time soon...as they'll stop at "she's just Toshiie's wife"

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Its redone Kunoichi. Which is nameless Chiyome.
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First, my usual line to those who stated Baba Nobufusa:
http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/247675/1/

With that out of the way, why is it that most of these lists are identical? I understand this thread is about a character's chance of appearing rather than who you want, but you can't all possibly think that the exact same people are going to be in. Let there be a little variation. There are plenty of noteworthy additions, reading the same list over and over again gets tiring after a while.

That's not to say we should spout random names though. Just get a little bit of evidence to back your argument. Like an actual decent reason. For example, can anyone say they honestly really expected Kanetsugu or Ginchiyo to be in SW2? Or how about Sakon? Sure, they all had pretty 'good chances' (sans maybe Ginchiyo, but that's mostly because I think people tend to expect the important husband/father/brother before the wife/daughter/sister), but when it gets right down to it, they weren't the "Baba Nofusa/Ii Naomasa/Oda Nobutada/Kato Kiyomasa/Fukushima Masanori" of these clone-lists.

Finally, one last point I'd like to make: We don't NEED everyone's children. Just because Nobunaga had a son doesn't mean we need one in the game. Same for Shingen, Kenshin, etc. Thinking they need to be included or likely will be included just to create a father-son relationship is silly. If the son is noteworthy, then fine. But it seems most people for some reason think that these games should be kept completely in the family and have the roster for the next SW game be composed almost entirely of bloodline Oda, Uesugi, Takeda, and Hojo.

Now, I apologize to anyone who honestly wants these people in for a reason rather than just to go with the crowd, but I think all of that had to be said.

For me, I honestly believe that the Eastern army will see the largest number of additions this game. As I've posted many times in the past, the SW games seem to be following a pattern. In SW1, most of the characters belonged to the Oda. In SW2 we saw a large influx of characters for the Toyotomi and Western army. For SW3 I expect several new additions to the Tokugawa and Eastern army. That's really the only prediction I'd like to make at the moment though.
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Im guessing the new chick in the red is Chiyome for sure! :P she seems cool, and I think Matsu would be another character to be added.
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Feb 2 2009, 11:34 PM
Im guessing the new chick in the red is Chiyome for sure! :P she seems cool, and I think Matsu would be another character to be added.
We need Dude Power! :P Yeah, but chiyome was seriously a kunoichi? :huh:
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Feb 2 2009, 08:02 PM
Finally, one last point I'd like to make: We don't NEED everyone's children. Just because Nobunaga had a son doesn't mean we need one in the game. Same for Shingen, Kenshin, etc. Thinking they need to be included or likely will be included just to create a father-son relationship is silly. If the son is noteworthy, then fine. But it seems most people for some reason think that these games should be kept completely in the family and have the roster for the next SW game be composed almost entirely of bloodline Oda, Uesugi, Takeda, and Hojo.

When it comes to Katsuyori and Kagekatsu, I'd say there's definitely more than father-son relationship factor. Those two had major roles in certain battles and had some sort of relationship with existing characters in SW2. Those two certainly have a lot more story potential than other Takeda and Uesugi retainers. But of course, like you said, it depends what tactic KOEI is going to use with SW3. If it's more about Eastern Army and Tokugawa, then yeah, I doubt we're going to see any new Takeda, Uesugi or Oda officers as playable.

But if you ask me, it's also silly to think that characters have good chances to become playable for their various accomplishements and loyalty. If this was the case, then let me ask you this: Where's Cheng Pu?
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Feb 8 2009, 12:14 PM
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Feb 2 2009, 08:02 PM
Finally, one last point I'd like to make: We don't NEED everyone's children. Just because Nobunaga had a son doesn't mean we need one in the game. Same for Shingen, Kenshin, etc. Thinking they need to be included or likely will be included just to create a father-son relationship is silly. If the son is noteworthy, then fine. But it seems most people for some reason think that these games should be kept completely in the family and have the roster for the next SW game be composed almost entirely of bloodline Oda, Uesugi, Takeda, and Hojo.

When it comes to Katsuyori and Kagekatsu, I'd say there's definitely more than father-son relationship factor. Those two had major roles in certain battles and had some sort of relationship with existing characters in SW2. Those two certainly have a lot more story potential than other Takeda and Uesugi retainers. But of course, like you said, it depends what tactic KOEI is going to use with SW3. If it's more about Eastern Army and Tokugawa, then yeah, I doubt we're going to see any new Takeda, Uesugi or Oda officers as playable.

But if you ask me, it's also silly to think that characters have good chances to become playable for their various accomplishements and loyalty. If this was the case, then let me ask you this: Where's Cheng Pu?
If its Eastern Army and Tokugawa, then theres no reason Uesugi Kagekatsu shouldn't be in right? I mean wasn't he one of the four that Hideyoshi trusted with watching over his land after his death? :huh:
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Yeah, you're right. I had a black out there... That's just another reason why he would be the best choice for a new playabale Uesugi officer.
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There is only one Date Clan face. Just Masamune. Let him kill his brother. get a wife. Have a feud with his mother something.
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Yeah, you're right. I had a black out there... That's just another reason why he would be the best choice for a new playabale Uesugi officer.
And he fought for Ieyasu during the Battle of Osaka Castle. Not at Osaka Castle, but in a different battle... don't remember which it was.
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Yeah, you're right. I had a black out there... That's just another reason why he would be the best choice for a new playabale Uesugi officer.
And he fought for Ieyasu during the Battle of Osaka Castle. Not at Osaka Castle, but in a different battle... don't remember which it was.
Are you talking about the battle that led to the Battle of Osaka Castle?
Forces: Toytomi Hideyori vs Tokugawa Ieyasu

Description: The battle would have 3 places Mt. Kizugawa, Kizu River and small village of Imakufu where the real battle would happen. In this battle, Tokugawa led 1,500 troops against a defening force of 600. Tokugawa was victorious with his groups of arquebusiers. This battle would indeed be a short one, but I think it should be added because this started the Siege of Osaka.
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No, it was Osaka where Kagekatsu fought in. Specifically the Winter Siege. The one in the game is the Summer Siege but also has elements of the Winter Siege mixed in(such as the Sanadamaru.)
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Feb 15 2009, 01:49 AM
No, it was Osaka where Kagekatsu fought in. Specifically the Winter Siege. The one in the game is the Summer Siege but also has elements of the Winter Siege mixed in(such as the Sanadamaru.)
I think it's funny how Koei changes the levels season's. Like they did with Hu Lao Gate. DW4 Winter, DW5-Summerish. Anyways. I can't wait till all the new DW games release so then we'll get info on SW3 :blush:
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I would guess
Kiyomasa Kato
Ujimasa Hojo (need a Hojo somewhere)
One of the reamining Tokugawa Generals
Maybe a Takeda
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Feb 17 2009, 09:43 PM
I would guess
Kiyomasa Kato
Ujimasa Hojo (need a Hojo somewhere)
One of the reamining Tokugawa Generals
Maybe a Takeda
Kato is 99% confirmed as a new character based on the screenshot. And Hojo most definitely needs to come, however, it may be Ujinao. And Takeda will get Katsuyori maybe, and Tokugawa is for sure getting new characters. Oh, and WE NEED MORE SHIMAZU!!!
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I guess it depends on large part on what event the game gears towards. SW2 was all about Sekigahara, not that its a bad thing, but that kind of put a dent in the stories of extremely relevant characters e Shingen and Kenshin who didn't live long enough to see Sekigahara.

It didn't leave much room for any story to flourish unles the characters were somehow involved with either teh Western or Eastern army.

With that said, if they decide to keep Sekigahara as the main focal point in teh fashion of SW2, then it doesnt leave much room for relevancein terms of chaacter inclusion.

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Maybe a Mori character. Obviously there will be more, but probably not as much from clans like Takeda, Hojo, or Uesugi.
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A new member of the Date clan would be nice...
And seems likely, especially considering all the appearances Masamune has in the WO series.
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A new member of the Date clan would be nice...
And seems likely, especially considering all the appearances Masamune has in the WO series.
Maybe the most likely for the Date would either be Shigezane, or Katakura Kojuro
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I'm a big fan of the Mouri but how many battles could you put them in?? The battle against Hideyoshi and the Oda seems to be the only realistic battle they could show up in. Rather than include more clans in SW3 I think they should focus on expanding the existing ones, the Takeda need more generals desperately so do the Uesugi, Date and Shimazu. However I would make an exception to include the Hojo preferably Ujiyasu, considering that the rivalry between the Takeda and Uesugi would not be complete without the Hojo in there somewhere.
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naomasa ii,kiyomasa kato i think those two have the best chance to be added and also a random female aswell from the wrong era and had nothing to do with anything will most likely be a new char
EDIT:im having very high hopes they add munenori yagyu the sword teacher of the tokugawa and would also be cool to have him feud with musashi
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I'm a big fan of the Mouri but how many battles could you put them in?? The battle against Hideyoshi and the Oda seems to be the only realistic battle they could show up in. Rather than include more clans in SW3 I think they should focus on expanding the existing ones, the Takeda need more generals desperately so do the Uesugi, Date and Shimazu. However I would make an exception to include the Hojo preferably Ujiyasu, considering that the rivalry between the Takeda and Uesugi would not be complete without the Hojo in there somewhere.
Battle of Kizugawaguchi Vs. Oda (which was in SW2 as Osaka Bay)
Siege of Takamatsu Castle Vs. Hashiba (the final battle of Hideyoshi western campaign where he flooded the castle during siege, and then made a truce with the Mouri to go avenge Nobunaga at Yamazaki)
Battle of Moji Castle Vs. Otomo/Tachibana (The Mouri's attempt to keep their foothold in Kyushu)
Battle of Iyo Vs. Chosokabe/Otomo (The overall series of battles between the Mouri-Kono, Otomo-Ichijo, and Chosokabe over western Shikoku)

That's four battles already, and I haven't even included Mouri's war against the Amago, the other battles in Hideyoshi's campaign, Itsukushima, or the Mouri's participation in Hideyoshi's Shikoku or Kyushu Campaign or Sekigahara.
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Im guessing the new chick in the red is Chiyome for sure! :P she seems cool, and I think Matsu would be another character to be added.
We need Dude Power! :P Yeah, but chiyome was seriously a kunoichi? :huh:
Yup, she was the iventor of the Kunoich, its pretty amazing! ^_^ haha, dude powerr!

:XD well, I think that dude who has the European look is ummm, whats his name??He got shipped wricked on Japan I think....
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I'm a big fan of the Mouri but how many battles could you put them in?? The battle against Hideyoshi and the Oda seems to be the only realistic battle they could show up in. Rather than include more clans in SW3 I think they should focus on expanding the existing ones, the Takeda need more generals desperately so do the Uesugi, Date and Shimazu. However I would make an exception to include the Hojo preferably Ujiyasu, considering that the rivalry between the Takeda and Uesugi would not be complete without the Hojo in there somewhere.
Battle of Kizugawaguchi Vs. Oda (which was in SW2 as Osaka Bay)
Siege of Takamatsu Castle Vs. Hashiba (the final battle of Hideyoshi western campaign where he flooded the castle during siege, and then made a truce with the Mouri to go avenge Nobunaga at Yamazaki)
Battle of Moji Castle Vs. Otomo/Tachibana (The Mouri's attempt to keep their foothold in Kyushu)
Battle of Iyo Vs. Chosokabe/Otomo (The overall series of battles between the Mouri-Kono, Otomo-Ichijo, and Chosokabe over western Shikoku)

That's four battles already, and I haven't even included Mouri's war against the Amago, the other battles in Hideyoshi's campaign, Itsukushima, or the Mouri's participation in Hideyoshi's Shikoku or Kyushu Campaign or Sekigahara.
Sorry I think I wasn't specific enough, I mainly meant Motonari, he was a brilliant general but probably a bit too early for the time frame SW is based.

Terumoto was pretty "meh" I don't think he deserves a spot in this game, even if he was the head of the clan during some important moments. (like you mentioned Sekigahara, Korea, Kyushu campaigns) Much prefer Kikkawa Motoharu and Kobayakawa Takakage.

Then again it is SW so if we can see Honda Tadakatsu's daughter fighting at Sekigahara then I guess Mori Motonari wouldn't look out of place either.
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Mori should be added, so then Chosokabe can have a good storyline, and then we can get Hideyoshi's battle against the Mori during the Battle of Honnoji
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From the Tokugawa i would like to see the Ninja Taranosuke Aoyama and the Guardians of the Tokugawa Naomase Ii, Yasumasa Sakakibara, Tadatsugu Sakai.
From the Toyotomi i would like to see Hideyori Toyotomi, Kiyomasa Kato and Masanori Fukushima.
From the Hojo Ujiyasu,Ujimasa,Ujinao and Ujiteru.
From the Sanada Masayuki Sanada and Nobuyuki Sanada.
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