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| Topic Started: Nov 22 2008, 07:03 PM (1,243 Views) | |
| john2054 | Dec 26 2008, 04:19 PM Post #51 |
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Hi. Sonic said that smokers 'don't actually enjoy it'. Well I don't think that's strictly true. They DO enjoy it, hence the problem. Oh yeah I used to be a smoker so you could say I've batted for both sides. Pros: enjoyable, addictive, gives you a buzz Cons: expensive, bad for your lungs +heart and blood,gives you cancer long term. I don't recommend it. If you have already started though I heartily recommend Alan Carr's Easy way to give up smoking. That book helped me alot beat the addiction. But here's a word of warning, if you have given up, don't even think about having a 'quicky' for old times sake. NOt even a drag, not even 1. Cos if you do, that'll be it. Please trust me on this. |
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| zacattack214 | Dec 27 2008, 02:49 AM Post #52 |
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Oh my. I tend to write quite a bit so bear with me. First of all, I do find it necessary to explain the concept right and wrong, because it defends my position. Just because it it right, or "just" to me, doesn't mean it has to be for you. Also I never threatened anyone; I simply made a statement which others have taken badly to. My remark reflects my honest opinion and I do not retract it. Unless a higher authority than I on this forum finds it inappropriate, in which case I recommend they remove all my comments on this thread to avoid confusion, it stays. It was not meant to offend anyone; I guess some people just weren’t ready to hear it. But they shouldn’t let my opinions affect them; I know I don’t let theirs affect me. As long as they can just read it and accept that we are different people coming from different points of view they shouldn’t have any trouble swallowing it and moving on. And actually you can be right all the time--just not by everyone’s standards. I could elaborate, but now I’m just talking around you so I’m going to stop. If you want to carry on that conversation I think we should do it somewhere else. Seriously now, I will say that I am indeed heartless by the common standards. Some may consider it a flaw, but I don’t for it helps me to see into others. Now, the question you posed to me is difficult to answer because of your wording. You chose the word “saint”--that word brings religion into this. I don’t know if that was your intention, but I will just ignore that word because I do not wish to make this more complicated that it already is. To answer your basic question, my answer is still the same--I would not care. The death of a faceless stranger does not affect me. Even if I see their face, hear their voice, and touch their skin, I can remain detached. You see, to understand that, you have to know that I don’t ever invest too much emotion in to any one person or thing because I know they or it can be taken away from me in the blink of an eye. I would assume that you do not share my views on death, so I will tell you that I don’t find it to be such a horrible thing. It is not like I said that I wanted them to be tortured and killed, then shocked back into existence just to live out the remaindered of their life as a vegetable. That would be drastic. I just want them to stop blowing smoke in my air--our air, the earth’s air, shared by everyone and everything on this planet. And if they can’t bring themselves to quit, if they are just going to continue, then the only thing that will end their pollution is their own death. Just so you know, I am not trying to be condescending or rude to you or anyone else here. I don’t find it that way, but it seems that others in this topic do. Now I am talking to everyone: This has become a bit more personal than I am comfortable with. The topic isn't me, it's smoking. I have said my part and as far as I am concerned, I am done here unless someone else wants to continue this conversation. I am not interested in starting a fight. Either swallow the pill or wash it down the drain. Edited by zacattack214, Dec 27 2008, 03:04 AM.
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| Shadow_RyL | Dec 27 2008, 04:06 AM Post #53 |
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I don't smoke. I try to tell my friends that smoke to stay away from me because whenever I smell the smoke, I just start coughing.XD I tried it when I was a kid, maybe around 10 or 11 something like that. One puff and never touch it again. I don't mind people smoking, if that's their choice, we can't make people do what we want them to do so it's their choice and they know what they're risking... |
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| God-Like Phoenix | Dec 27 2008, 09:45 AM Post #54 |
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(not bothering to quote and make this page longer than it really should be  )Thats fine, I didnt imply that you were threatening anyone, Its just what you said, some others could take that as an offence quite easily, which can quite easily escalate into something worse, thats the only reason for saying that it couldve been better left unsaid. Just so you know, no part of your posts in here has offended me, as I dont smoke, so im not taking this situation personally. Well, I guess saint wasnt really the best of words to use, and no, I wasnt trying to bring religion back into this, just a generalisation for pretty much those pure of heart...I think. I can understand your kind of 'detachment' from others, again, not personally, but sort of logically, but I myself just couldnt do that with friends and family, have that very distant relationship with pretty much no sort of personal investment, but thats your decision, and im not going to try to reason, because I know it would just be wasting my time  I probably dont share the same views of death as you do, but its always interesting to share differing views. When its a death like those you hear on the news, where its overseas, and has no link to you, it doesnt really affect me, its saddening to hear, but thats all, but when its someone even remotely close, it does make me very sad. For a recent example, last monday, a classmate from school, she was killed in a car accident, and I was pretty much sad the whole day, and most of the week. Even if my auntie(who smokes) dies sometime soon, it would still make me fairly sad, even though we werent really all that close, just because I knew them. I didnt find your post to be rude or condesending, but then again, some others might, so I think thats where you need to be fairly cautious of what your saying, and how you say it, in an environment like this, where people from almost all walks of life come |
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| Jsun | Dec 27 2008, 10:10 AM Post #55 |
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The topic is about Smoking. It is also in the Health & Lifestyle section, not the debate and discussion section. So if you guys feel like making a topic about different addictions, narcissism, or whatever please do it in the Debates & Discussion forum. Thanks! |
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| StrikeForce9 | Dec 27 2008, 11:07 AM Post #56 |
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My dad is a smoker and a few of my friends have done it but I've never tried it and never will! I just hate the smell of smoke and I'm well-informed of the danger of smoking. It would be very stupid of me to smoke when I know the deadly cost of trying something like smoking cigarette or even pot. Unfortunately I could not convince people around me not to smoke or stop smoking as it's their choices. |
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| shodrive | Dec 27 2008, 01:28 PM Post #57 |
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I've never smoked (of course not! I'm 14! ) and I don't ever plan to. But my brother and sister-in-law smoke so whenever I stay over at their house I always see them puffing that cigarette stick away and it always comes my way even if they blow into the other direction.  
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| Shimazu | Dec 27 2008, 01:40 PM Post #58 |
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I did smoke on my 14th.  I started on my 12th.When I was younger,I kept saying that I would never touch a cancerstick in my life.But...I did.Of course,it wasn't my fault.It was my brother's fault. |
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| shodrive | Dec 27 2008, 01:50 PM Post #59 |
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You started when you were 12?!   Well, I think if keep faith that I won't do it I won't ever do it. Besides I really don't want to have a sad death because I want to die healthy and happily. 
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| Ziggurat | Dec 29 2008, 03:24 AM Post #60 |
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Tats what i always tell ppl but i'm afraid one of these days someone might commit suicide and i get in trouble  BUT!! PURPOSELY wishing for them to die right away is eff'd up, it IS morally WRONG zacattack, in this day and age. Juvenile is all you and your little 'opinions' will ever be. |
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| john2054 | Dec 29 2008, 08:18 PM Post #61 |
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Yeah smoking is sticking your head down the hole of pain and pleasure. You'll be lucky if you can ever get it out again! Your head'll be so swimming with Aliens and ninja/Samurai that it'll take some hard knocks and/or double bypass open heart surgery if you'll ever see the light of day again! Not to mention they keep on putting the prices up (every budget in fact) banning it from pubs (which I actually think is a good idea now a reformed non-smoker), and it's a bad influence on the um-totos (Swahili for baby), sets a bad example if you get what I mean. I hope that's straightened it out a bit for you guys? |
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| Bai Xue | Dec 30 2008, 01:27 PM Post #62 |
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meh, don't worry about him. Call me crazy (I have been referred to as such many times) but I respect his opinion and see it as valid. Agreeing? Not fully. But hey, I can see where's he's coming from 
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| zacattack214 | Jan 2 2009, 07:25 PM Post #63 |
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Haha, that was amusing, and quite cheeky. Were you trying to offend me? I'm sorry, but that is quite impossible. Honestly no one can ever offend me because I do not allow them to. Other's opinions cannot affect me, because nothing they can say will ever matter to me--but obviously what I say matters to you. Especially since you seem to have actually agreed with a simplified version of my assertion that smokers should die "now." I find it strange that would belittle my points yet simultaneously agree with a similar message, don't you? Anyway, I didn't come here to call people names and I would appreciate it if you would grant me the same courtesy. Otherwise, as you say, we are not better than children in the school yard. 
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| Sally | Jan 2 2009, 07:56 PM Post #64 |
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The thing I know that even if my boyfriend smokes, I'll dump him, even if I like him alot. I don't want to die along with him and be a passive smoker. In my house all of my brothers smoke, and I'm sick of it. When I'm in M'sia, there are no smokers in my house, I feel great! |
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| lmay19 | Jan 2 2009, 08:54 PM Post #65 |
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Well, it's good that you recognize you could seriously influence someone into suicide. For all we know, the person you say that to could be having a really bad life (outside of smoking) and... WOULD kill upon request. You are still being a hypocrite since well... you still always tell people to end their lives. It was funny as hell seeing zacattack scurrying to explain that he isn't offended. Apparently he thinks people care whether he's offended or not, so he took a few lines to clear one that up.
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| Nutella | Jan 2 2009, 09:22 PM Post #66 |
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Smokers die young. Passive smokers die younger. x_x I don't smoke, not even Shisha (is that how its spelled) cause my lungs are already weak. I fear to think of the damage smoking will do to my lungs. |
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| Shimazu | Jan 2 2009, 09:28 PM Post #67 |
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Wrong. When you're a passive smoker,you inhale a part of the smoke. When you're a smoker,you inhale all the smoke.And when you're in a group,you inhale even more. So that's wrong. |
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| zacattack214 | Jan 2 2009, 10:29 PM Post #68 |
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I don't scurry, I slither.  And apparently you didn't comprehend what I said: I don't care, you don't care, no one cares... so why not write a couple lines to explain something everyone already knows--you did. 
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| Ziggurat | Jan 3 2009, 12:34 AM Post #69 |
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That would be funny in real life, if someone kept insulting you and you kept standing there looking dumb, not defending urself what a tragic story, little boyNot that 'juvenile' is even an insult in da first place.. i was only stating what i observed from you. You seem to have a paranoid conscious, leading you to believe i was insulting you. Atleast i realize my wrongs in telling ppl to kill themselves, u dunno crap saying i agreed with you Also this - "Other's opinions cannot affect me, because nothing they can say will ever matter to me" You might as well get the hell out of KW now if you're gonna argue with this mindset |
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| God-Like Phoenix | Jan 3 2009, 02:02 AM Post #70 |
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But when your smoking first hand, you have it filtered...from the filter on the smokes, but the 2nd hand smoke that would be floating around, it isnt filtered, so it would be even more toxic to others, thats how that line that Nutella said is true |
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| zacattack214 | Jan 3 2009, 06:29 PM Post #71 |
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Well that's your opinion and you are welcome to it, but that doesn't mean you have to be rude about it. Do not talk down to me as if you are my superior--for you certainly are not. And you don't fool me, 'juvenile' is in no way a compliment. It is just another way of calling me childish, which is quite funny coming from someone who uses 'da' instead of 'the.' Not to mention someone who thinks that reacting violently in one's own defense is mature. Obviously our defintions of the word differ. Your psychoanalysis of me couldn't be more incorrect. As I said before I didn't come here to argue. I came here to state my opinions on smoking--end of story. But apparently, you did come here to argue. So I suggest you find someone else to do so with because honestly, I'm a bit out of your league.
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| Shogun | Jan 3 2009, 06:48 PM Post #72 |
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To quote an old proverb: 'A cucumber that doesn't grow up your behind, let it grow free'. I suggest some members here take this into consideration. 
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| Shimazu | Jan 3 2009, 07:04 PM Post #73 |
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filters?What filters?I think you mean This.Then yes,the non-smoker will inhale more toxic.But we roll our own stuff. I roll my own cigarettes.They don't have those filters,they're just round papers,filled with normal tobacco,rolling into these,they look like joints,but they're not.These things don't have filters,so in this case,we inhale more toxic than the non-smoker. --- I'd rather smoke shag than cigarets,since cigarets cost more money,and one packet only contains 19-28 of them.One packet of tobacco contains enough to roll 50-60. 1 Packet of cigarets(19-28): €3,40 - €5,00 1 packet of normal tobacco(enough for 50-60): €4,30 - €6,30 Edited by Shimazu, Jan 3 2009, 07:08 PM.
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| SnowMan | Jan 3 2009, 10:49 PM Post #74 |
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My uncle (related by marriage, not by blood) is a heavy smoker and even though I don't see him very often, it pisses me off. He's had a few heart attacks, but that hasn't stopped him from smoking. They even had to put a pacemaker on his heart to get it to beat normally, but even then he chooses to smoke. I'm not sure if he has any desire to quit or not (since like I said, I don't see him often), but I think it's ridiculous that he still smokes after all that smoking has done to him. So if you haven't figured out already, I dislike smoking quite a bit. |
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| Ziggurat | Jan 3 2009, 11:45 PM Post #75 |
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BUT you forget how juvenile your little "death wishes" on smokers are, whether that means i am above you or not - i dont care. You still dont deny that ur juvenile, all you do is say it's funny coming from me, which i neednt defend since this is about you, not me. I guess ur right tho.. i dont associate with people who think cutting themselves is "ok" or telling smokers to die is "ok". I am above them. so, buh-bye.
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