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Fun Area Discussion Thread; issues, problems, suggestions...etc
Topic Started: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:26 am (19,739 Views)
Nocon
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Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:00 pm
I've got a small organising issue. I'm not sure if it's THAT big of a problem.

The Fun Area contains some threads that could be categorised as a 'game' (Like 'Count to one million' and 'Name that KW team'). Wouldn't it look a lot more organised if those kind of threads moved to the Fun Area Games section?
Hmmm... You make a good point, since they do sound more like games than anything else. Thanks for bringing this up, jeffo. ^_^
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anyone is up for a new tale game? o.o
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:48 am
anyone is up for a new tale game? o.o
haha just looked over Tales Of Genesis 2 and i found this pretty ironic!! :P

Morph as - "this game is ruining friendship *coughnomoretalecough*" (couldn't be bothered to quote that post)
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Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:21 am
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:48 am
anyone is up for a new tale game? o.o
haha just looked over Tales Of Genesis 2 and i found this pretty ironic!! :P

Morph as - "this game is ruining friendship *coughnomoretalecough*" (couldn't be bothered to quote that post)
aw gawd im firing myself in the feet :kurokan:

well i was a dumb*** during that time and went crazy before explaining when some technical move were made and it just didn't work Dx
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Just a note that KW Olympics sign ups should be up soon after Tag ends. It will be a (mostly) team version this year, so that it will work better with some games like Survivor and can add games like KW Challenge Competition. I was considering changing the name since it really isn't like the Olympics at all, but I'm going to keep it anyway. :P So just be on the look out for sign ups when tag is done.
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I have a pretty tight uni schedule this semester, so I'll leave the TSM game for BS or TrasH to host if they wish. BS will also be hosting the Olympics soon, so good luck to all those participating in that.
It was nice to host 2 fun area games here after such a long period, and seeing how the place has drastically changed since my previous visit, it was both pleasant and (wordthatshardtodescribe).
So anyways, after the Tales game has finished I'll get to writing part when I have time. See you guys around I guess. :wave:

-Zhen
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I've been thinking about this for a while now, but do you guys want to collapse the Fun Area games sub-forum? I think it's kind of pointless now keeping it separate.
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Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:06 am
I think it's kind of pointless now keeping it separate.
I agree. When it comes to creating games people sometimes get confused as to where they should open their topic. It'd be a good idea to clean out games that haven't been touched in like six months or so too.
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I do understand that it confuses people where to put games and blah blah, but merging them two forums together wouldn't make things better; Fun Area Games works in a way that some members will post in every game and leave, with all those too many games out there, Fun Area we once knew will be total chaos and it will be difficult to keep up with some topics. :mellow:
Edited by Itachi, Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:11 am.
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I agree with Itachi. I thought the whole point of the separate sections was to keep it organized which is why it was done in the first place. People were fine with it, no one seemed to complained about it plus you hardly gave people a chance to shed their opinion on the matter which is too late now apparently. :mellow:
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The stickied threads in themselves even seem a bit much now, in the past IIRC King of the Hill and Kiss o Kick weren't stickied.


I personally can't complain either way though, having them in a sub-forum or the forum itself, same to me :mellow:
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I disagree completely with this fusing after seeing the results. It was already hard for some topics to be revived, and now it will be harder to keep track of them.

Also, even before the fusion, Fun Area and Fun Area Games did need to be re-organized.

In addition, why were the two sections merged without members being able to decide it by voting Yes or No for Section emerging?
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:34 pm
In addition, why were the two sections merged without members being able to decide it by voting Yes or No for Section emerging?
Well, I can think of two potential reasons.

Firstly, Admins don't need to consult the members to do decisions.

Secondly, the likely more valid, is that it was posted about and I believe went uncommented on for about a day before they did it, perhaps less than that, but still a significant amount of time.
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Firstly, Admins don't need to consult the members to do decisions


Cool. Now, where is democracy? :kurokan:

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Secondly, the likely more valid, is that it was posted about and I believe went uncommented on for about a day before they did it, perhaps less than that, but still a significant amount of time.


Decisions like this need more time for discussion than one day or two. Proof is that after the emergings and even before, we found 3 oppositions against 1 person favoring the change
Edited by Demonic Warrior, Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:29 pm.
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The current argument reminds me of this, found on the first page. :P
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Nasser
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Wed Dec 3, 2008 8:32 pm
I like it in it's messy/chaotic way :hehe: I don't know..do you really want sub-forums? D:
I agree with Selli there, it's better like how it is now. If any, perhaps a Fun Area archives would be better?
What would be the point of the Fun Area archives? If someone creates a duplicate topic it either gets deleted or becomes the new version and old one gets archived.

I don't really mind the messyness of the Fun area. Sub-sections would make it awkward I think. There are too many games and it would just be too hard to categorize many of them.


Now, I can't compare between the two, as I wasn't active before the sub-section was created and I never lurked in these parts. But from reading the previous debate I can see that the creation of the sub-forum wasn't extremely popular.
Give it a chance, maybe after some cleaning, it might be a good idea (although personally, I would've done the cleaning before the merge). If not, I'm sure it can be split again.
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Sanada
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Who ever said this was a democracy? ;D



Pressumably they had their own mod discussions on the matter, they did similarly for a fair bit of the forum afterall.... I think. Either way, they probably did, so not just the one, just the one here though :P

Regardless, I don't think it really matters, they could rather easily put it all back into a sub-forum if it doesn't work out.
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The current argument reminds me of this, found on the first page. :P
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Nasser
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I like it in it's messy/chaotic way :hehe: I don't know..do you really want sub-forums? D:
I agree with Selli there, it's better like how it is now. If any, perhaps a Fun Area archives would be better?
What would be the point of the Fun Area archives? If someone creates a duplicate topic it either gets deleted or becomes the new version and old one gets archived. I don't really mind the messyness of the Fun area. Sub-sections would make it awkward I think. There are too many games and it would just be too hard to categorize many of them.
Now, I can't compare between the two, as I wasn't active before the sub-section was created and I never lurked in these parts. But from reading the previous debate I can see that the creation of the sub-forum wasn't extremely popular. Give it a chance, maybe after some cleaning, it might be a good idea (although personally, I would've done the cleaning before the merge). If not, I'm sure it can be split again.
Heh, I found this pretty funny myself. :hehe:

Like I said in another thread, I'll get used to it, but as of now, I like the old way better. It was just more organised, clean, and made it easier to find threads. I think a lot of threads now will be lost for months at a time in the now doubled pages of the Fun Area, it was already happening with just five pages, now there are ten so we will just lose even more threads. This just doesn't seem like the best way to 'Clean up the Forum' IMO.
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Yeah, I recall being against the sub-forums way back as well :whistle:

I grew used to them, and it did make the area seem more organised though, I'll say that. I honestly couldn't care less if it stays like this or goes back to the sub-forum way personally.
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The current argument reminds me of this, found on the first page. :P
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Nasser
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I like it in it's messy/chaotic way :hehe: I don't know..do you really want sub-forums? D:
I agree with Selli there, it's better like how it is now. If any, perhaps a Fun Area archives would be better?
What would be the point of the Fun Area archives? If someone creates a duplicate topic it either gets deleted or becomes the new version and old one gets archived. I don't really mind the messyness of the Fun area. Sub-sections would make it awkward I think. There are too many games and it would just be too hard to categorize many of them.
Now, I can't compare between the two, as I wasn't active before the sub-section was created and I never lurked in these parts. But from reading the previous debate I can see that the creation of the sub-forum wasn't extremely popular. Give it a chance, maybe after some cleaning, it might be a good idea (although personally, I would've done the cleaning before the merge). If not, I'm sure it can be split again.
You cannot use this as an argument. Times in KW itself have changed, and people's minds also change. Saying that it may be ok without Sub-forums because members were against the division in the first place is sheer playing with words :kurokan:
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Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:03 pm
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The current argument reminds me of this, found on the first page. :P
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Nasser
Wed Dec 3, 2008 8:42 pm
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Wed Dec 3, 2008 8:32 pm
I like it in it's messy/chaotic way :hehe: I don't know..do you really want sub-forums? D:
I agree with Selli there, it's better like how it is now. If any, perhaps a Fun Area archives would be better?
What would be the point of the Fun Area archives? If someone creates a duplicate topic it either gets deleted or becomes the new version and old one gets archived. I don't really mind the messyness of the Fun area. Sub-sections would make it awkward I think. There are too many games and it would just be too hard to categorize many of them.
Now, I can't compare between the two, as I wasn't active before the sub-section was created and I never lurked in these parts. But from reading the previous debate I can see that the creation of the sub-forum wasn't extremely popular. Give it a chance, maybe after some cleaning, it might be a good idea (although personally, I would've done the cleaning before the merge). If not, I'm sure it can be split again.
You cannot use this as an argument. Times in KW itself have changed, and people's minds also change. Saying that it may be ok without Sub-forums because members were against the division in the first place is sheer playing with words :kurokan:
It's a fair enough point to say that while like this it was still a good enough system that people liked it. Doesn't mean that now people will like it more than the previous system, but it's fair enough to use for the point of saying that it's worth giving it a shot as it now is.
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Now, I can't compare between the two, as I wasn't active before the sub-section was created and I never lurked in these parts. But from reading the previous debate I can see that the creation of the sub-forum wasn't extremely popular. Give it a chance, maybe after some cleaning, it might be a good idea (although personally, I would've done the cleaning before the merge). If not, I'm sure it can be split again.
You cannot use this as an argument. Times in KW itself have changed, and people's minds also change. Saying that it may be ok without Sub-forums because members were against the division in the first place is sheer playing with words :kurokan:
I was using it more as a comparison than an argument for the merge. As you can see, many people were against the division but came to accept it. All I'm saying is that if we wait a bit, we might prefer it this way, after the section is cleaned. (Well, I believe it should be cleaned. Too many threads and games resemble each other.)

I don't really care what way we finally choose. But if we do end up separating the section, the differences between them should be made more obvious. The Games section was alright but some games weren't in there and were in the Fun Area itself...

And for your "democracy debate", might I just add that the mods and admins make the final decision and that they wouldn't do anything to hurt us or the forum, (I hope) as they do want to keep it alive after all. :P
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My only issue against the merging thing is that important, casual topics that people use daily (Something We don't know, What's On Your Mind, etc) will now drown and have to be thrown pages away, no thanks to Games that people use more frequently. :mellow:
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I was using it more as a comparison than an argument for the merge. As you can see, many people were against the division but came to accept it. All I'm saying is that if we wait a bit, we might prefer it this way, after the section is cleaned. (Well, I believe it should be cleaned. Too many threads and games resemble each other.)


I see your point

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But if we do end up separating the section, the differences between them should be made more obvious. The Games section was alright but some games weren't in there and were in the Fun Area itself...


You win at life man. My thoughts exactly :cool:

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And for your "democracy debate", might I just add that the mods and admins make the final decision and that they wouldn't do anything to hurt us or the forum,(I hope) as they do want to keep it alive after all.


Mods and Admins making the final decision is logic, but for a forum to call itself democratic, members should be more well-consulted about polemic questions, like separations and mergings.

If you decide everything for your people without properly consulting them on the matter, you'll soon have a conformistic population.

And this, my friend, is not proper democracy but masses control.

And I had to search the translation of some words in the Online Dictionary to make sure of how to write certain terms :P

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The Games section was alright but some games weren't in there and were in the Fun Area itself...
I had reported a good amount of certain threads that should have been moved to the Game section to TrasH and Zhen reminding them 3-4 times to take care of that but they never bother to do it/get around to it or felt that they were fine in the original section so yeah... :mellow: Right now, I don't care at this point about the section being this way. What was done is done and you just have to deal with it and move on.
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While, I can't totally compare the old split to the new merge. I'm going to reference it a bit. The reason they split the Fun Area way back when, was because that the Fun Area was pretty large and incredibly active. It had multiple pages of content back then.

If you look at the now, this is post-merge and there are only 6 pages of content to go through (using Board Default setting). That's not an awfully large amount, needless to say. Even it were to split again, we can assume there would only be 3 pages of content per each section. I don't find 3 pages of content necessitating an entire sub-section.

And about the organizing issue, (this might sound a little jerkish, but eh) it's only 6 pages of content (again Board Default), it just doesn't take that long to skim the pages.
Edited by Randy, Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:19 am.
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