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Fun Area Discussion Thread; issues, problems, suggestions...etc
Topic Started: Wed Dec 3, 2008 6:26 am (19,746 Views)
Ryuzaki
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ok Sanada, Question, i read the whole thing i still dont get how MA5ter didnt win the first time he killed Zarkai
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Sanada
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Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:14 pm
ok Sanada, Question, i read the whole thing i still dont get how MA5ter didnt win the first time he killed Zarkai
its simply that zhen restarted the round :mellow:


he has done so before, it was to make the final battle more 'epic', which ultimatly failed as Ma5ter refused to move a second time, but still.
The using the last minute posting thing to win the game is just fairly cheap if you think about it, the final battle should allow them to use everything at their disposal to do what they can.

Example is, after the reflection tome, Zarkai could have sold his shield, survived, but lost his Aeon's Blessing, which would leave him vunerable to Ma5ter, but alive, which would lead to a more epic battle :mellow:
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iKing
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L-Ryuzaki
Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:14 pm
ok Sanada, Question, i read the whole thing i still dont get how MA5ter didnt win the first time he killed Zarkai
A lot of people thought he should have won. But you now how Zenkokuku always listen to Sanada/Ruka and basically will do anything for him and Ruka.

Zenkokuku thinks Sanada is right since he is never online so basicaly he just do what Sanada tells him. Or he forces his opinion on Zenkokuku. I have made the new round when Ma5ter killed Oni with the reflection so basically he won. But Sanada must have complained and so he had to restart the round.

This never happens when I or anyone else complains. Only happens when Sanada complains.
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Sanada
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if you read my last post in the thread, you'll see that I brought it up with Zhen, but I did not complain.

The fact of the matter is, he does not always listen to what I have to say, it is only when I back it up with much evidence or support, or if he himself agrees. This sometimes leads to him creating polls within the thread to see how many people think the same way I do, which is often the majority.
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iKing
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The fact of the matter is you complained throughout the game, which resulted a round to get started more then 5 times.

Whenever you complained the round restarted. Whenever we or anyone else complain with evidence the round doesn't get restarted.

That is what I meant. The round did not get restarted only once but got restarted more then about 10 times. Those are the amount of time you complained.

Anyways its over, so can you take away the second poll in my topic in the Count to 1 Million topic.
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Ruka
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You requested for him to restart the round after the game ended fairly and square, why and what for?

Sanada
 
he has done so before, it was to make the final battle more 'epic', which ultimatly failed as Ma5ter refused to move a second time, but still.
Your point? the game had ended fair and square, giving another chance for your team to win is something really cheap, if I was Ma5ter I wouldn't had acted either and quit the game if other team had other chance, just to have something epic failure.

I was entering this TOL but after what I saw, I lost interest in it. I'm not being biased towards your team, i'd say the same if other did it.

So, the restart was made before for your team not to leave, yet you accept win this way, its not about who won, but rather HOW it was won.

About all of this, the only person I could say i'm disappointed was Zhen to making this decision, thats all.
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Ryuzaki
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yeah, Ma5ter won and then you extend it longer just to make it more epic you cant make something epic if someone has already won you also cant change such a big rule through the game the hall of fame is wrong for all i care because once someone is dead they are dead no revives (unless off another team mate) and epicness must also mean unfairness I suggest you change the hall of fame because you didnt win fairly at all!
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Sanada
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I should have just let it end after Zarkai's post, before Ma5ter did his Reflection Tome post, would shut you guys up about bias <_<


Ma5ter would have won fair and square had Zarkai's round not been extended to allow him his win.

He won it squarly, yes, but not fairly, as the extention was not done both ways, only after Zarkai's.


and alright, I'll remove the poll if another mod hasn't already beaten me to it, KoW.

Seems removing polls is not within the Junior Mod capabilities.

"You do not have permission to delete polls.
Error Code: 17040:2140149"
Edited by Sanada, Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:11 pm.
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Ryuzaki
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well if it isnt fair then remove it! :mellow: ;) simple, you said it yourself!
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Sanada
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remove what? :mellow:



btw, another thing I want to point out (was about to edit that last post), Ma5ter had as much of a chance to win after the reset, just without having the time limit to let him get an underhanded win :mellow:
with Zarkai's activity, he may not have shown anyway ;)
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iKing
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Sanada
Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:10 pm
and alright, I'll remove the poll if another mod hasn't already beaten me to it, KoW.

Seems removing polls is not within the Junior Mod capabilities.

"You do not have permission to delete polls.
Error Code: 17040:2140149"
So I have to ask a mod, -_- well if any mod see this remove the second poll of my count to 1 million thread.

Also Sanada you should have made a new round after Oni post. Like I said before, you cannot make a new rule up during a game. New round was made after Ma5ter post and he survived not Oni. So he should have won but Zenkokuku restarted the round to give your team a chance to win. Which is not fair.
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Sanada
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he restarted it, giving my team the chance to win it deserved :mellow:
its not the most fair thing, but neither is what happened to get Ma5ter's victory. Fact of it is, neither thing was truly fair.
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Ryuzaki
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ok so when i die i will make up a new rule and revive myself... hmm... ok then looks like this is never going to end
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Sanada
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its not so much a new rule is created by you, as Zhen agrees with the rule and the basis at which it is set :mellow:

though, to prevent it zhen has said nothing will be changed within the next game, so this won't happen again anyway.
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Samurai Master
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we should just have a vote on who to win Ma5ter's team or Sanada's team.
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Ryuzaki
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oh ok so thats real fair do it so your team wins then just abandon it ma5ter won failry and how people have won before by doing something at the last minute and then you revive your team mate and make some bogus rule you cannot say it is fair and it needs to be fair to win
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iKing
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GO HERE
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Sanada
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a vote on who wins would not be the best way, as there would be the matter of bias.
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iKing
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Sanada
Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:22 pm
a vote on who wins would not be the best way, as there would be the matter of bias.
Yeah that is why people have to give a proper reason. :rolleyes:
Biased reason won't count.
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Sanada
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Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:29 pm
Sanada
Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:22 pm
a vote on who wins would not be the best way, as there would be the matter of bias.
Yeah that is why people have to give a proper reason. :rolleyes:
Biased reason won't count.
people could easily make reasons which could count, where there decision is based on bias however.

Since both ways had their unfairness, it'd still come down to personal opinion.
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o_O

This is the Fun Area, does it really matter who wins one little game for fun?
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Sanada
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It's more a matter of principle. I personally do not care who wins, as long as its a matter of fairness.

No matter how I look at it, I believe the fairest way is the way that happened. It gave both people a fair oppertunity to act, the exact same as had been done previously was posible again, it would just mean its not a cheap victory only achieved by an extention in time, which was not extended both ways when asked to be.
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Ruka
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Your not making any sense, really. If you really wanted the game to end in fairness, you wouldn't ever did what you did.

The round shoudn't had restarted in the first place, your team could had achieved victory if you had ended the round, but you waited for Ma5ter and he won, fairly. After that you came with this post: http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=8170678&t=6582720

Later you said it "was over" , assuming you ment the game.
http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=8170717&t=6582720

Soon afterwards Zhen starts the round at your request after Ma5ter clearly won the game. Even after all you did, you still claim that what you did its fair? If all you wanted was fairness, you would simply admit you lost, you had the power to end the round and won, yet you choose not to. So, you requested a restart after you wasted your chance at winning.

Even Zhen's post itself is self explanatory.
zenkokuku
 
A huge mistake on my part for agreeing to restart the round

I thought Zarkai was going to win for sure, but towards the end he stopped posting because he was busy studying. When the time to come to end the game, Ma5ter turned the game around with reflection tome and achieved the win (which was clearly fair), a big mistake a Sanada's part also for not starting the round and ending in Zarkai's victory

I didn't mind restarting, seeing Ma5ter would've won anyway, Sanada just wanted to see how it turned out if Zarkai survived the Reflection Tome, but obviously there was a refusal to act

To be honest, I agree with some of those points, if the alternate epic victory wasn't seen, then Ma5ter should be the default winner and the victory should go to the Secret Army


I'm not discussing this anymore, I said my part already.
I hope the new rule is followed, so there could be finally a decent game without thousands of complains. :P
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Sanada
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you think Ma5ter's win is fair?

neither way is truly fair, as I said before, but the fairer of the two is the restart. If Ma5ter had chosen to act, the outcome would have probably been the same, but it would have given Zarkai his chance to react.
I believe that would be fairness, as Ma5ter was given his chance to react to Zarkai's, it should have been shared both ways. Since that was not the case, the reset just allowed it to be redone.

I mentioned to Zhen he should have made it so both moves that had been done were still in effect, so it would be an exact repeat.


Ma5ter himself said he gave up the victory during the time in which he refused to post. His reasoning was flawed, but he openly gave up his chance at a victory.
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Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:17 am
o_O

This is the Fun Area, does it really matter who wins one little game for fun?
:lol:

That's it, Fayt wins [/endtopic]

For this post ^ and his new avatar :XD
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