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Samurai Warriors 2: Xtreme Legends [v2]; AKA Sengoku Musou 2: Moushouden
Topic Started: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:40 pm (15,927 Views)
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May 9 2008, 08:39 AM
@w31l1: I believe it depends if you have purchased the skills that allow your stats to grow more easily. Its the same case with getting a character's special skill and level 3 musou, faster or slower than usual (probably stat related?). Since I find a character obtains his level 3 musou attack around level 43-45 in most cases, but I have been late and I have gotten a few earlier then that as well. Plus I got my Hideyoshi's new move early as well.

Dunno either... I think I'll try to reset my Hideyoshi and play with his starting skills and stats just to prove this :P

I'll let you guys know the result soon...

Wogh... I've played for 100 hours now... OMG!!! Can't believe it :D
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May 8 2008, 07:00 PM
I got the game yesterday. Yey!!

But what is't good, is Yoshimoto now...I can see that his MS has improved, but I just can't get used to his new personaity and VA, he doesn't even know he is a Ruler, apart from at Okehazama...bit late for him then though, huh?

I can see him falling from my 2nd favorite spot very fast....

:lol: yay cau pie-kun is playing SW2:XL too!! ^_^

Your not going to give that name up are you? :lol:

Played as Kojiro, and I abosultly love his MS, and his story was good, but I felt as though it came to a very sudden end. (I bet he thought that too). What worries me most is the fact that he can make swords appear out of nowhere, and they are not small swords either, no wonder Musashi gets beaten by his new MS.
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well i FINALLY have the game (bought it over from my best friend who found it on ebay)

But i cant load my sw2 savegame... the rest of the game works perfectly fine (no freezes yet, nothing) but i have to goddamn get all weapons horses bodyguards stats and stages again.
Why the hell is this so? i also made a post on koeiforums about this, it makes me really mad.
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May 9 2008, 10:41 PM
skyfirefly
May 9 2008, 09:50 AM
Cao Pi
May 8 2008, 07:00 PM
I got the game yesterday. Yey!!

But what is't good, is Yoshimoto now...I can see that his MS has improved, but I just can't get used to his new personaity and VA, he doesn't even know he is a Ruler, apart from at Okehazama...bit late for him then though, huh?

I can see him falling from my 2nd favorite spot very fast....

:lol: yay cau pie-kun is playing SW2:XL too!! ^_^

Your not going to give that name up are you? :lol:

Played as Kojiro, and I abosultly love his MS, and his story was good, but I felt as though it came to a very sudden end. (I bet he thought that too). What worries me most is the fact that he can make swords appear out of nowhere, and they are not small swords either, no wonder Musashi gets beaten by his new MS.

Yeah, Kojiro rocks!!! :D

Too bad I can't play his story yet... :wacko: Because that silly Disc Problem AGAIN!!!

By the way, I've tried to reset my Hideyoshi and started the game with his starting stats and skills and look what I've found...

His starting skills were Cavalier1 on both Ability and Growth.... Plus gluttony1....

I was leveling him up until 15 (skills and stats were not maxed) and that's when I get his new move! So it's not related to stats or skills...

Someone... Anyone... Care to try this too??? I'm curious...

@Tesouken: Are you sure? Have you checked everything?
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Never mind, apparently you could load it by pressing triangle after resetting the whole game... sigh...

Btw, this means i need to complete 3 storymodes all over again but that in no way weights up against having to complete all other thingsi did in sw2.
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May 10 2008, 02:07 AM
Never mind, apparently you could load it by pressing triangle after resetting the whole game... sigh...

Btw, this means i need to complete 3 storymodes all over again but that in no way weights up against having to complete all other thingsi did in sw2.

Yay, Good job... Another problem solved ^_^

Btw, your avatar is cute :wub:
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May 9 2008, 07:23 PM
Tesouken
May 10 2008, 02:07 AM
Never mind, apparently you could load it by pressing triangle after resetting the whole game... sigh...

Btw, this means i need to complete 3 storymodes all over again but that in no way weights up against having to complete all other thingsi did in sw2.

Yay, Good job... Another problem solved ^_^

Btw, your avatar is cute :wub:

some girl who has alot of talent made it, i forgot the name but she has a topic in the art & gfx subforum. its very cute yes, and since i love ranmaru (who doesnt, he is cute and manly at the same time) i wanted it as a ava :P
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Why did the make Toshiie share the same ending cutscene with Katsuie. Ive seen the US version has a very different ending where he beats up Hideyoshi and im convinced i saw a glimpse of that very same scene for a split second during the opening movie for SW2:XL so it was bizzare and disspaointing that it was removed given they kept for those not in europe :angry:
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May 10 2008, 12:51 AM
Why did the make Toshiie share the same ending cutscene with Katsuie. Ive seen the US version has a very different ending where he beats up Hideyoshi and im convinced i saw a glimpse of that very same scene for a split second during the opening movie for SW2:XL so it was bizzare and disspaointing that it was removed given they kept for those not in europe  :angry:

I knew someone would end up noting this cutscene, and I'm glad I watched them both fully. So the problem you have is that you didn't watch the whole movie of Katsuie's, as he actually has an extended version.

I won't spoil it for you though, but be sure to check it out.

Also watch Katuie's video before Shizugatake.
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here's an entirly unrelated technical question. about 75 hours in just after i finally completed Kojiro's Tale, the game started acting funny. the times between killing the leaders and the level ending were very long, often the leader would leave the battlefield before his other officers(ex: at Shikoku on the Chosokabe side, i killed Toshiie and then Hideyoshi, with a minute or so gap in between, then AFTER Hideyoshi goes down Hideyoshi leaves the battle and the battle should end, but then a few seconds later Toshiie goes, then i stand around another 30 sec. waiting for the level to end.

also the background music and some of the intro dialogue cuts in and out and stutters like a skipping CD. this DOES NOT however affect the gameplay. is this part of the "technical problems" that i have heard about with this game? there are no scratches on my disc, but there is a very faint iridescent "stain" on part of the disc. i am afraid to clear it as cleaning my first copy of WO ruined it. if you guys think it is an issue of cleaning the disc(i cannot imagine what that is on the disc, it's only been in the case and in the player) can i get some suggestions for cleaning? thanks for any help provided.
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May 10 2008, 03:04 PM
here's an entirly unrelated technical question. about 75 hours in just after i finally completed Kojiro's Tale, the game started acting funny. the times between killing the leaders and the level ending were very long, often the leader would leave the battlefield before his other officers(ex: at Shikoku on the Chosokabe side, i killed Toshiie and then Hideyoshi, with a minute or so gap in between, then AFTER Hideyoshi goes down Hideyoshi leaves the battle and the battle should end, but then a few seconds later Toshiie goes, then i stand around another 30 sec. waiting for the level to end.

also the background music and some of the intro dialogue cuts in and out and stutters like a skipping CD. this DOES NOT however affect the gameplay. is this part of the "technical problems" that i have heard about with this game? there are no scratches on my disc, but there is a very faint iridescent "stain" on part of the disc. i am afraid to clear it as cleaning my first copy of WO ruined it. if you guys think it is an issue of cleaning the disc(i cannot imagine what that is on the disc, it's only been in the case and in the player) can i get some suggestions for cleaning? thanks for any help provided.

Its only just started to happen? Hmm...

Did you do the mission very quickly or just killed the officers quickly in this case? There's a lot of talking in this game and it could be just due to it not being able to keep up.

The game error most were talking about was with Kojiro's story where it would skip the FMV's, but that was only the Indonessian disc. Anyway, it was only ever FMV related.
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May 10 2008, 03:13 PM
foomin
May 10 2008, 03:04 PM
here's an entirly unrelated technical question. about 75 hours in just after i finally completed Kojiro's Tale, the game started acting funny. the times between killing the leaders and the level ending were very long, often the leader would leave the battlefield before his other officers(ex: at Shikoku on the Chosokabe side, i killed Toshiie and then Hideyoshi, with a minute or so gap in between, then AFTER Hideyoshi goes down Hideyoshi leaves the battle and the battle should end, but then a few seconds later Toshiie goes, then i stand around another 30 sec. waiting for the level to end.

also the background music and some of the intro dialogue cuts in and out and stutters like a skipping CD. this DOES NOT however affect the gameplay. is this part of the "technical problems" that i have heard about with this game? there are no scratches on my disc, but there is a very faint iridescent "stain" on part of the disc. i am afraid to clear it as cleaning my first copy of WO ruined it. if you guys think it is an issue of cleaning the disc(i cannot imagine what that is on the disc, it's only been in the case and in the player) can i get some suggestions for cleaning? thanks for any help provided.

Its only just started to happen? Hmm...

Did you do the mission very quickly or just killed the officers quickly in this case? There's a lot of talking in this game and it could be just due to it not being able to keep up.

The game error most were talking about was with Kojiro's story where it would skip the FMV's, but that was only the Indonessian disc. Anyway, it was only ever FMV related.

no, i did not do the mission very quickly. it was as Okuni and i got a Star at the end, i got all the treasure boxes and killed all the officers myself.

another thing i noticed is that the black pre-loading screen holds for quite awhile before starting any level, but the issues with the music and the dialogue intros, began directly after i completed all the Tale's and Gaiden's. as i said some where around 75 hours into play. i had a similar thing happed with WO for 360, and was advised to clean the disc, which i did and after which the surface of the disc became grooved/scratched in a circular record-like pattern and was unplayable.

another example of what i mean is in Gracia's Dream, i kill the defense captains to let Noh and Ina out of the fortresses, Noh first, doors do not open, she does not emerge, but text says i have rescued Noh. then i went to Ina thinking i had to do it in some order, and completed the task to let Ina out, no Ina, but the text says she is free. so i wandered about with the others following looking to see if any other missions popped up for a good minute, then suddenly both doors open at the same time and Noh and Ina come out. and all the time the music soundtrack is stuttering, but it does not affect the VA??? this is the most extreme fault i have ever had with a KOEI game. it does not REALLY affect the play but the music skipping is incredibly annoying.
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I believe that's a bug, I've been playing the PS2 version, sometimes characters lost their voices in some conversation and sometimes the music stopped playing. >.< Lack of error checking, KOEI...
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I've just played over 100 hours and have had no problems at all on my PS3. I haven't played the game for about a week anyway.

This could be either your disc (doubtful if your copy is not from Indonesia and you have already played 75+ hours) or its just the 360's fault.

Do you use those disc cleaning wipes? Or the gell? I've used them both before, not for years though, and had times when I used either but forgot to clean the markings off afterwards. As you may know they leave those markings that don't appear as soon as you do it but when it been on the disc a while.
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I played it on PS2. So I believe the problem only existed in PS2? Or maybe you're just lucky because KOEI loves you for being a diehard fan of the poster boy's sake?
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I played it on PS2. So I believe the problem only existed in PS2? Or maybe you're just lucky because KOEI loves you for being a diehard fan of the poster boy's sake?

They sent me the only copy that is immune to be infected. :P

I believe foomin has the 360 version and thats where those FMV's skip also. But only with the Indonnesian copies. So it could be Micro$ofts fault.
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I just got miyamoto musashi's final weapon, i dont rly like the sword but the red peddle is okay, i liked the sword with the monk beads (his 4th) best. :l
Man you guys shouldve seen the way i killed honda in his gaiden rofl..
when i kileld him i got a levelup and just at that time i pressed circle for mousou again so i circled around him with the mousou3 for like 20 seconds keeping his corpse in the air before he dropped faceplant on the floor :D it was big time overkill.

Hm, i also got katsuie's and toshii's 4th weapons since i finished their mousou today anyway.

I really dont like the way gracia plays she has really short range and barely does any damage :l
But her defense is okay (i always play on normal from lvl1 and onward, normally would do hard but then guys like honda wouldnt be beatable, at least i have a chance now)

Motochika's story also finished, i like that he has a very original playstyle as you are constantly trying to put down as much as possible sound balloons to pop them all at once.
Lol at his last stage (sekigahara) honda rushed to my base and everyone else was at ieyasu's base.
So i got to honda and kept placing a wide spree of balloons then popping them :D
I killed honda in like 10 minutes (my motochika was only level 20 + - )

Hm, i also dont really like the specials of imagawa yoshimoto though, and he seems slower, and looks very bad.. his 2nd costume in samurai warriors 1 XL was so cool with his flower on his head and the bagpillowsomething on his back and now he is very bad looking, especially his 2nd costume with the very bad colors that dont match at all. (koei has no fashion sense seriously :/ )
The game is kind of overkill on everything now though, its really way overpowered at many things and way to fantasy aswell, i really hate kojiro's fantasy broadsword moves and i have the feeling there is more colors on the screen aswell.
Its all gone rainbow.

I used to like the grim almost noir like scenery of sw1 so much, nothing left of that.
I think i got a headache too now after getting musashi's final wep.. pff..way to much flashes and colors... bah.

The game is very nice appart from all that.

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I just got miyamoto musashi's final weapon, i dont rly like the sword but the red peddle is okay, i liked the sword with the monk beads (his 4th) best. :l
Man you guys shouldve seen the way i killed honda in his gaiden rofl..
when i kileld him i got a levelup and just at that time i pressed circle for mousou again so i circled around him with the mousou3 for like 20 seconds keeping his corpse in the air before he dropped faceplant on the floor :D it was big time overkill.

Hm, i also got katsuie's and toshii's 4th weapons since i finished their mousou today anyway.

I really dont like the way gracia plays she has really short range and barely does any damage :l
But her defense is okay (i always play on normal from lvl1 and onward, normally would do hard but then guys like honda wouldnt be beatable, at least i have a chance now)

Motochika's story also finished, i like that he has a very original playstyle as you are constantly trying to put down as much as possible sound balloons to pop them all at once.
Lol at his last stage (sekigahara) honda rushed to my base and everyone else was at ieyasu's base.
So i got to honda and kept placing a wide spree of balloons then popping them :D
I killed honda in like 10 minutes (my motochika was only level 20 + - )

Hm, i also dont really like the specials of imagawa yoshimoto though, and he seems slower, and looks very bad.. his 2nd costume in samurai warriors 1 XL was so cool with his flower on his head and the bagpillowsomething on his back and now he is very bad looking, especially his 2nd costume with the very bad colors that dont match at all. (koei has no fashion sense seriously :/ )
The game is kind of overkill on everything now though, its really way overpowered at many things and way to fantasy aswell, i really hate kojiro's fantasy broadsword moves and i have the feeling there is more colors on the screen aswell.
Its all gone rainbow.

I used to like the grim almost noir like scenery of sw1 so much, nothing left of that.
I think i got a headache too now after getting musashi's final wep.. pff..way to much flashes and colors... bah.

The game is very nice appart from all that.

1. Musashi's 5th weapon gives him defence, so I suppose you can handle the hardest challenges more.

2. Gracia is a very fun character to use. But rather then play attacking all the time, you must do much running in order to gain time and openings.

3. Motochika's Sekigahara, where Hideaki Kobayakawa defects then re-defects, hahaha! Even Sakon found it amusing.
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1. Musashi's 5th weapon gives him defence, so I suppose you can handle the hardest challenges more.
Meh, i dont need defence on him, never did before never will, im the king of dodging and deflecting with musashi's move and special moveset.
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2. Gracia is a very fun character to use. But rather then play attacking all the time, you must do much running in order to gain time and openings.
I think koei made a mistake adding her, first off she has 100% fantasy moves.. like magic.. nobody ever did magic in that era in battle.. is her story even real? did she even exist? I think she belongs in orochi, yea fine.. but not in sw2xl.. koei should have added li naomasa or otani yoshitsugu instaed :/
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3. Motochika's Sekigahara, where Hideaki Kobayakawa defects then re-defects, hahaha! Even Sakon found it amusing.
Yea, the humor certainly has gone better in sw2xl, lots of stages have funny remarks now and also more funny things happening heh.
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1. Musashi's 5th weapon gives him defence, so I suppose you can handle the hardest challenges more.
Meh, i dont need defence on him, never did before never will, im the king of dodging and deflecting with musashi's move and special moveset.
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2. Gracia is a very fun character to use. But rather then play attacking all the time, you must do much running in order to gain time and openings.
I think koei made a mistake adding her, first off she has 100% fantasy moves.. like magic.. nobody ever did magic in that era in battle.. is her story even real? did she even exist? I think she belongs in orochi, yea fine.. but not in sw2xl.. koei should have added li naomasa or otani yoshitsugu instaed :/
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3. Motochika's Sekigahara, where Hideaki Kobayakawa defects then re-defects, hahaha! Even Sakon found it amusing.
Yea, the humor certainly has gone better in sw2xl, lots of stages have funny remarks now and also more funny things happening heh.

Gracia Hosokawa is the daugter of Mitsuhide Akechi. Though there's very little interaction between the two since her story is about following her friend, Magoichi. But I bet we will see more with the father and daughter in SW3. Thats if Koei don't downgrade like what they did with DW6 and the deleted characters.

I believe they never gave her the Hosokawa name due to her path not following the religion she was known to.
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Gracia Hosokawa is the daugter of Mitsuhide Akechi. Though there's very little interaction between the two since her story is about following her friend, Magoichi. But I bet we will see more with the father and daughter in SW3. Thats if Koei don't downgrade like what they did with DW6 and the deleted characters.

I believe they never gave her the Hosokawa name due to her path not following the religion she was known to.

Hm, ic.
Well.. i think they shouldnt add any magic anymore in sw3.
I dont see anything wrong with her normal moveset appart from it being the least usefull compared with any other samurai warriors character.. Its original and not unrealistic to the sense of possibility.

all the magic unicorn lala land stuff is really ruining this warriors genre :l
Its a mess if koei doesnt focus their fantasy attacks and characters on warriors orochi and leave the SW theme authentic and realistic.
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They most likely gave her the magic due to her religion. Though they show nothing about her following her beliefs in the game, it didn't strip her totally of it if you know what I mean?

Koei have to go somewhere and create more unrealistic moves or else the games would become very dull and bland. Yes, so they are perhaps taking it a bit too far (Nobunaga) but he is known as the Demon King throughout a multitude of games, and has an excuse to be demonic-like I suppose.

Koei games just are not realistic apart from the fact its based around history. And even so character relations, appearances, behaviors etc are all blown out of proportion to prevent little differences between the characters and stories.
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several things:

my version is PS2, played remixed w/ SW2. i have been told several places that cleaning a disk is unnecessary and only causes issues, even with "approved cleaners". and with my WO experience i am a bit gun-shy, as the same grooving happened twice and i had to purchase a third copy as i was past the return date the second time(i suppose i should buy the disc warranty at GS, but it just seems like such an obvious ploy to up-sell it makes me mad.)

as far as Gracia is concerned, i have expressed my views on her in her respective thread. initially, i DESPISED that character, because KOEI made her a cute little pixie with HUGE eyes and made her all magical and fantastical. her true story was tragic and fit so well with the darker SW themes(talk about a hard luck story) that i was angry that it was not used. i am steadfastly against the lighter themes and environments introduced by SW2(leave that to DW), however, SW2:XL seems to have brought back a bit pathos(other than Gracia's personality). i thought her tale was very well done and aside from the HORRIBLE MIND-NUMBING VA, i really like her. if SW3 goes back to the more noir-ish landscapes and cuts out some of the one-liners and unecessary jokey business, i'll be pretty darn pleased. mind you both Matsu and Lady Chiyome must be added for me to be entirely happy.

i will speculate that KOEI was concerned about how their fanbase would respond to a character who's life was consumed with religion, and the not necessarily beneficial effect that christianity had on feudal era Japan. as well as Gracia's life being a series of unfortunate occurences, that placed her squarely in the crosshairs of two(Hideyoshi and Mitsunari) leaders. it was easier to make her a light-hearted figure, removing her from tragic heroine status.

and WTH is up with Ieyasu in SW2:XL. he's a necropheliac(sp?), wanting to rip out Okuni's heart and love her from the inside out???
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I got some 5th weapons now, and first thing that sprang to mind was, is this a joke? Mitsuhide's new sheath looks like Zhen Ji's dark moon flute, and Ranmaru's is a giant Boken, quite funny when he says his cool steel for warm enemy blood line.

Yukimura's weapons seem to be getting worse after his Crimson Fang IMO, and Tadakatsu's are getting more pointy.

As for Nagamasa...well...it looks like Oichi made him a lance and colored it pink. He gets killed by a kendama, bursts into flowers and now has a pink lance, I think Ranmaru is more manly than that!

Also Mercanary mode is way to easy for leveling up, I got Toshiie to Level 50 by mission 15, or there abouts, looks like I'm starting his Story Mode on Chaos first...
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