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Samurai Warriors 2: Xtreme Legends [v2]; AKA Sengoku Musou 2: Moushouden
Topic Started: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:40 pm (15,926 Views)
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May 9 2008, 02:41 PM
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May 9 2008, 09:50 AM
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May 8 2008, 07:00 PM
I got the game yesterday. Yey!!

But what is't good, is Yoshimoto now...I can see that his MS has improved, but I just can't get used to his new personaity and VA, he doesn't even know he is a Ruler, apart from at Okehazama...bit late for him then though, huh?

I can see him falling from my 2nd favorite spot very fast....

:lol: yay cau pie-kun is playing SW2:XL too!! ^_^

Your not going to give that name up are you? :lol:

Played as Kojiro, and I abosultly love his MS, and his story was good, but I felt as though it came to a very sudden end. (I bet he thought that too). What worries me most is the fact that he can make swords appear out of nowhere, and they are not small swords either, no wonder Musashi gets beaten by his new MS.

if i play as musashi kojiro always has his butt kicked by me!! :rolleyes:
musashi miyomoto:pretty good ahh?! :P
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May 11 2008, 08:23 AM
several things:

my version is PS2, played remixed w/ SW2. i have been told several places that cleaning a disk is unnecessary and only causes issues, even with "approved cleaners". and with my WO experience i am a bit gun-shy, as the same grooving happened twice and i had to purchase a third copy as i was past the return date the second time(i suppose i should buy the disc warranty at GS, but it just seems like such an obvious ploy to up-sell it makes me mad.)

as far as Gracia is concerned, i have expressed my views on her in her respective thread. initially, i DESPISED that character, because KOEI made her a cute little pixie with HUGE eyes and made her all magical and fantastical. her true story was tragic and fit so well with the darker SW themes(talk about a hard luck story) that i was angry that it was not used. i am steadfastly against the lighter themes and environments introduced by SW2(leave that to DW), however, SW2:XL seems to have brought back a bit pathos(other than Gracia's personality). i thought her tale was very well done and aside from the HORRIBLE MIND-NUMBING VA, i really like her. if SW3 goes back to the more noir-ish landscapes and cuts out some of the one-liners and unecessary jokey business, i'll be pretty darn pleased. mind you both Matsu and Lady Chiyome must be added for me to be entirely happy.

i will speculate that KOEI was concerned about how their fanbase would respond to a character who's life was consumed with religion, and the not necessarily beneficial effect that christianity had on feudal era Japan. as well as Gracia's life being a series of unfortunate occurences, that placed her squarely in the crosshairs of two(Hideyoshi and Mitsunari) leaders. it was easier to make her a light-hearted figure, removing her from tragic heroine status.

and WTH is up with Ieyasu in SW2:XL. he's a necropheliac(sp?), wanting to rip out Okuni's heart and love her from the inside out???

I've played for 110 hours now... My disc works just fine (Indonesian Disc :( )
But still.... Arghhh... :wacko: Can't get Kojiro's 4th and 5th, Oichi's 5th, and Nagamasa's 4th... Due to the disc problem AGAIN!!! I've completed the list of the weapons for every character except those 3. Mumble... Mumble...

And hey, I like Gracia so much... No bad words against her please or you might offend me too :lol:

Yeah, I'm hoping they will add Matsu later as a playable character too (she's in the list of the guards now)

And about Christianity... I guess KOEI never mentioned about religion very often (Except for Kenshin with his Bishamonten thing :P ) It's all about, Love, Honor, Friendship,etc. That makes me sound like Kanetsugu <_< (I dislike him for talking too much)

Errr... I guess it has been there (Ieyasu wants to rip out Okuni's heart) since SW2. I believe so...

@Tesouken: Hey, what's wrong with magical attacks? So what do you think about Nobunaga's barrier? Ranmaru's slashing beam? Kenshin's Bishamonten thing? etc... Don't you think they're all MAGICAL ATTACKS TOO??? :rolleyes:
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@foomin: IIRC, Gracia was imprisoned and killed due to her religion and because she was Nobunaga's murderers daughter, right? And isn't that shown or portrayed in her Honoji stage?

By the way I adore Gracia's voice, she has my favorite female voice from Samurai Warriors without a doubt. Perhaps I could say she is a contender of my favorite female of all time. But due to the lack of females thats easier said then comparing the males to each other.

The only other girl I really like in SW2 is Ginchiyo, but I did like Ina when she first appeared in SW1XL. Though I don't mind Nene also.

@Cao Pi: You will find even Chaos is easy with a character that level. Just as long as you don't let an officer combo you, like Tadakatsu, you should clear it fine. So being hit once then finding another attack is easily done, but if you get hit by a C3 or beyond your going to be punished somewhat.
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May 10 2008, 11:59 PM
They most likely gave her the magic due to her religion. Though they show nothing about her following her beliefs in the game, it didn't strip her totally of it if you know what I mean?

Magic doesn't actually make much sense since all kind of sorcery was a big no-no in Christianity back then... But she does ask a lot of questions and wants to know more about the surrounding world which is a good thign for her SW personality. After all, the real Gracia was well educated and always willing to learn more about new things.

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@foomin: IIRC, Gracia was imprisoned and killed due to her religion and because she was Nobunaga's murderers daughter, right? And isn't that shown or portrayed in her Honoji stage?

Yes, she was originally imprisoned because she would have brought shame to house of Hosokawa since she was traitor's daughter. But she wasn't killed because of her religion. She was killed so that Western Army couldn't capture her and use her to get Hosokawa fight for them. When she died, Mitsunari's ploy failed and Hosokawa fought for the Eastern Army during Sekigahara.
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May 11 2008, 09:51 AM
@foomin: IIRC, Gracia was imprisoned and killed due to her religion and because she was Nobunaga's murderers daughter, right? And isn't that shown or portrayed in her Honoji stage?


i realize this is not the Sengoku history area, however i think that a clear picture of Gracia's historical past is important to which parts of KOEI's story for her are factual.

1582. after Nobunaga and Mitsuhede's deaths, when Gracia was detained(i think imprisoned is too harsh a word), it was because she was the Traitor's daughter, not for any reasons of religion. she was still Buddhist at this time. as a matter of fact, Gracia was not baptized into christianityuntil Tadaoki was on Hideyoshi's Kyushu campaign(1587), which was several years after her initial "confinement" in Osaka.(KOEI related this to a running away/escape period)

due to her "good behavior" and devotion to deep religious study with a missionary, who had befriended and converted her husband, Tadaoki, she had been released from the exile. while still being viewed suspiciously, she was not under any sort of official sanctions. then Hideyoshi outlawed christianity and detained the wives of the daimyo(again in Osaka) to ensure their loyalty. after Hideyoshi's death and Ieyasu's rise to favor(Tadaoki being a strong supporter), Mitsunari was left with few choices, Ieyasu was well liked and he was not.(this appears to be her "quest for knowledge" in KOEI's Tale)

1600. Tadaoki then followed Ieyasu to engage the Uesugi, while Mitsunari, seeing his opportunity, ordered the wives of the Tokugawa loyalists still detained to be captured and held hostage to ensure their cooperation. he moved on Osaka castle(probably one of his worst mistakes, as it turned the general public against him, as well as the council of five.), Osaka castle was where the wives were encamped, and in the ensuing battles for households, either at her own behest, or that of her husband, a bodyguard/servant assisted Gracia in committing suicide. she was 38. so, ironically, her religion which had consumed her later life, had nothing to do with her death.(her final stage)

so, all these events occurred over about twenty years, not just 5 to 6 and Koei DID use elements of her life(of which i strongly approve), but liberally added fictional elements to her story. Gracia likely never met Magoichi Saika and the last level of her Tale is the most historical.

and her dream stage is just that, as she likely knew, but was not overly familiar with any of the other ladies.

as far as the "magical" aspects of Gracia, (devout christians might want to skip this, i have no desire to anger anyone) as a long-time Buddhist, i can see how the pragmatic Japanese with their simple earthy beliefs, might regard christianity as fantastic and magical, due to so many elements of that religion being tied to "faith", "the Word" and "unseen forces/people". so perhaps this was how KOEI embarked upon trying to portray the religious nature of this woman, yet not offend any parties.
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nicely said foomin, i get it now..
but i dont agree with adding christianity in a japanese history game even if she practiced it... please keep religion out of games koei.. :/
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May 12 2008, 02:04 AM
nicely said foomin, i get it now..
but i dont agree with adding christianity in a japanese history game even if she practiced it... please keep religion out of games koei.. :/

i can't agree with you there, the religious advent of christianity played a HUGE role in the historical development of Japan. religion is one of the factors that compelled both Nobunaga and Tokugawa to make bids for power when they did, and the history of Japan was greatly affected by their decisions.

yes, it's a game, but it's based on history(much more so than DW), Gracia only partially succeeds as a character BECAUSE her history is the most mangled of any Warriors character. KOEI have added to stories, and augmented many characters stories to work in the format of the video game. never before have they basically ignored aspects of a characters life so blatantly. i have always been a BIG proponent of adding Lady Gracia to the Tale, but i always expected a more historical approach, and i thought you might feel the same way, as you and i are in concert about many aspects that have made SW the superior game, IMO.

i like Gracia and i like her story, but i cannot help but wish KOEI had been less afraid to confront her story in a straightforward manner. i understand your reluctance to have religion portrayed in-game, but as such an integral part of the story, it must be included. if we ever get any of the post-Mitsunari battles, christianity will be a part of them.

also, i am hoping for the addition of Kennyo Honganji(Kosa), the Buddhist monk who led the Ikko-Ikki rebels in their crusade against Nobunaga's pursuit of christianity for all of Japan(the basis for Magoichi's SW2 "Saika Renegade's" level, which was done to MUCH greater effect and more understandably in SW1). Oda slaughtered men women and children at Ise-Nagashima to prove a point. this single act propelled Nobunaga from "the Fool of Owari" into a understandable level of infamy. Kennyo never lost his faith in the Ikko, and eventually aligned himself with the traditionalist Toyotomi to the benefit of his sect.

"If faith is what prevents you from fearing death, then I shall sever that faith from your bodies."
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Gracia is fun, she looks kinda cute, but her move set O_o Not all that good really. Her C3 and C4 are like exactly the same. I end up just spamming her fire ball spell, or C1. Strangely though i got her 4th and 5th weapons really easily...

I personally think Oichi is the best female in the game, or she's my favourite anyway, closely followed my Ina. I just think Oichi's story is awesome, torn between her lover and family, her voice actor is brilliant and her move set is awesome! She's definately one of my favourite SW characters.

I've actually grown too like SW2XL alot >.< I hated it at first, but i fancied playing it the other day and just got addicted all over again! Starterd collecting all the 4th and 5th weapons, i got Nagamasa's, Magoichi's, Gracia's, Yukimura's 4th and 5th weapons, and got most of the females their 5th (Cause they all already had their 4th). I'm trying to save the females for later, I love all the female characters more then the males, except Ranmaru, i love him! xD .

And argh, i'm rambling ._. *Shuts up*
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Gracia is fun, she looks kinda cute, but her move set O_o Not all that good really. Her C3 and C4 are like exactly the same. I end up just spamming her fire ball spell, or C1. Strangely though i got her 4th and 5th weapons really easily...
All i do with gracia is attack from horseback, her constant fire element wrecks officers without a problem, its kinda boring but effective and occasionly i use my mousou dashing into the enemy from horse aswell.
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I've actually grown too like SW2XL alot >.< I hated it at first, but i fancied playing it the other day and just got addicted all over again! Starterd collecting all the 4th and 5th weapons, i got Nagamasa's, Magoichi's, Gracia's, Yukimura's 4th and 5th weapons, and got most of the females their 5th (Cause they all already had their 4th). I'm trying to save the females for later, I love all the female characters more then the males, except Ranmaru, i love him! xD .

And argh, i'm rambling ._. *Shuts up*
Yea, im getting some weapons now and then aswell, oh and ranmaru is super cute so i love him aswell (im not homosexual btw lol)
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Regarding the rare skills in SW2 like Greed, Awakening, etc, is there still no concrete way to get them? I remember spending 4 hours just to get all rare skill levels of Yukimura, Keiji, Nobunaga, Mitsuhide, Kenshin, Oichi and Tadakatsu.
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Nope. Playing on Chaos/Expert does seem to dramaticlly increase skill stealage now though...unfortunalty for me.

But yeah, no concrete way. : (
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Ya I use a similar tactic when using Gracia, that or just her specials. Also if anyone needs help getting 5th weapons I have them all so just feel free to ask.
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Sigh...

Does 2XL at least provide an alternative way to get them besides constant Anegawa grinding?
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It works like this, the longer you play the more chance you will have at getting them. That seems like common sense really, but even so during the later levels of your character you will pick up the Awakenings, Greed, etc.

Different character's have different and easier/harder ways at getting skills, so this could play a role with the rare abilities. For instance, I'm sure most realized that their Musashi was obtaining rare skills from the get-go. And also note that different skills cost different prices varying from character to character, though you can't buy the rare ones of course.

There have always been rumours and one of those was killing an officer from behind, but it seems it was just down to luck. Anyway, with a game like this you should expect to play hundreds of hours to reap the full benefit.

Now in SW2XL you will find Mercenary Mode a easy way to get EXP, but I haven't noticed anything about getting skills quicker. As the levels are short and contain a few officers with little force around them, you can do each mission within 5 minutes if you wish to. Plus, uniting the land from training a level 1 at the start you will be near level 50 at the end, and that would be about 20-30 small missions when uniting the land could be chosen. That's what I did when I first did the mode with Yoshihiro.
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I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:
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May 13 2008, 08:08 AM
I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:

One of the things I dislike is how far apart the damage caused to you and other things calculate. For instance when I start with a level 1 character on his/her story and choose Chaos, its possible to die in 2-3 hits. Whereas playing on hard mode it is easy enough and you want more of a challenge.

If only there was an inbetween or that they spent more time on the difficulty differences.
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Gracia is fun, she looks kinda cute, but her move set O_o Not all that good really. Her C3 and C4 are like exactly the same. I end up just spamming her fire ball spell, or C1. Strangely though i got her 4th and 5th weapons really easily...

I personally think Oichi is the best female in the game, or she's my favourite anyway, closely followed my Ina. I just think Oichi's story is awesome, torn between her lover and family, her voice actor is brilliant and her move set is awesome! She's definately one of my favourite SW characters.

I've actually grown too like SW2XL alot >.< I hated it at first, but i fancied playing it the other day and just got addicted all over again! Starterd collecting all the 4th and 5th weapons, i got Nagamasa's, Magoichi's, Gracia's, Yukimura's 4th and 5th weapons, and got most of the females their 5th (Cause they all already had their 4th). I'm trying to save the females for later, I love all the female characters more then the males, except Ranmaru, i love him! xD .

And argh, i'm rambling ._. *Shuts up*

:lol: totaly agree with queen miho!!
i think oichi has the best moveset in all girls in SW2 -_-
well thats what i think..
gracia is fun to use but i think range is to close.. <_<
and sometimes its so hard to clear crowds -_-
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May 13 2008, 08:08 AM
I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:

One of the things I dislike is how far apart the damage caused to you and other things calculate. For instance when I start with a level 1 character on his/her story and choose Chaos, its possible to die in 2-3 hits. Whereas playing on hard mode it is easy enough and you want more of a challenge.

If only there was an inbetween or that they spent more time on the difficulty differences.

a Very hard, or something?

And what is with the random cnsors? I thought it was for comedy perposes at first, but then I reliezed it wasn't and now I'm just confused...
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I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:

One of the things I dislike is how far apart the damage caused to you and other things calculate. For instance when I start with a level 1 character on his/her story and choose Chaos, its possible to die in 2-3 hits. Whereas playing on hard mode it is easy enough and you want more of a challenge.

If only there was an inbetween or that they spent more time on the difficulty differences.

a Very hard, or something?

And what is with the random cnsors? I thought it was for comedy perposes at first, but then I reliezed it wasn't and now I'm just confused...

Well, I believe very hard is just another name for chaos mode. Since in the older titles thats what it use to be called. Though in the older titles the damage done was less than what chaos does to you now. It's just Koei not giving the AI enough time to improve, IMO.

And the other thing, you mean the word filtering? Yes, Chin has done that himself to stop peoples posts seeming so violent, etc. It replaces the swearing with much nicer words. :lol:
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May 13 2008, 08:08 AM
I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:

One of the things I dislike is how far apart the damage caused to you and other things calculate. For instance when I start with a level 1 character on his/her story and choose Chaos, its possible to die in 2-3 hits. Whereas playing on hard mode it is easy enough and you want more of a challenge.

If only there was an inbetween or that they spent more time on the difficulty differences.

a Very hard, or something?

And what is with the random cnsors? I thought it was for comedy perposes at first, but then I reliezed it wasn't and now I'm just confused...

i think they should add normal-thats hard enough but can be beaten :P
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May 13 2008, 08:08 AM
I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:

One of the things I dislike is how far apart the damage caused to you and other things calculate. For instance when I start with a level 1 character on his/her story and choose Chaos, its possible to die in 2-3 hits. Whereas playing on hard mode it is easy enough and you want more of a challenge.

If only there was an inbetween or that they spent more time on the difficulty differences.

a Very hard, or something?

And what is with the random cnsors? I thought it was for comedy perposes at first, but then I reliezed it wasn't and now I'm just confused...

Well, I believe very hard is just another name for chaos mode. Since in the older titles thats what it use to be called. Though in the older titles the damage done was less than what chaos does to you now. It's just Koei not giving the AI enough time to improve, IMO.

And the other thing, you mean the word filtering? Yes, Chin has done that himself to stop peoples posts seeming so violent, etc. It replaces the swearing with much nicer words. :lol:

Yeah, I know Very Hard was Chaos (Remembers DW3 Very hard Yi Ling-Shu side), but it sounds less hard, though IMO Chaos sounds harder than Expert.

*shakes fist* gr...*blacks out and sees a random flash* what the....

Is there any good storys, because I was disappionted by Kojiro's and Yoshimoto's, but happy with Toshiie's.
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Motochika's story: He wants to be remembered through the course of history.

Kojiro's: Wants a challenge. Finds Musashi. Kills Musashi and feels lonely.

Gracia's: Wishes to see the world from what seems like an alien planet to her. She asks many questions and follows Magoichi, her friend.

Toshiie's: Wants to make Katsuie proud of him, but chooses the path of his other friend, Hideyoshi, and so has to slay Katsuie.

Yoshimoto's: Wants to play Kemari with everyone and makes funny interactions with the others.

Katsuie's: Serves Nobunaga with loyalty and to show how the Devil Shibata are furious in battle. He finds Toshiie too young and ignorant, attempts to show him how to be a true warrior but ends up sacrificing himself in a losing battle.
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Thanks. :)

I may try Gracia's next then, only because she is Daughter of Mitsuhide and friends of Magoichi, who both have a role at Honnoji, if it wasn't for that though, I'd probably leave her till last.
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May 13 2008, 10:24 AM
Thanks. :)

I may try Gracia's next then, only because she is Daughter of Mitsuhide and friends of Magoichi, who both have a role at Honnoji, if it wasn't for that though, I'd probably leave her till last.

Get ready to be annoyed a bit though. She says ''Mago'' way too often since she asks many questions to him. But her voice is very good, my favorite female one.

Gracia has very little interaction with her father, very little. Like a few quotes and thats it.
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May 13 2008, 08:08 AM
I made the wrong choice in choosing Chaos to start Toshiie's Story on, after I did the first level on Chaos, I switched to Expert. Goddamn Mercenary mode making it so fun it has to ruin story mode... But I did get his 5th weapon by total accident! :lol:

One of the things I dislike is how far apart the damage caused to you and other things calculate. For instance when I start with a level 1 character on his/her story and choose Chaos, its possible to die in 2-3 hits. Whereas playing on hard mode it is easy enough and you want more of a challenge.

If only there was an inbetween or that they spent more time on the difficulty differences.

a Very hard, or something?

And what is with the random cnsors? I thought it was for comedy perposes at first, but then I reliezed it wasn't and now I'm just confused...

Well, I believe very hard is just another name for chaos mode. Since in the older titles thats what it use to be called. Though in the older titles the damage done was less than what chaos does to you now. It's just Koei not giving the AI enough time to improve, IMO.

And the other thing, you mean the word filtering? Yes, Chin has done that himself to stop peoples posts seeming so violent, etc. It replaces the swearing with much nicer words. :lol:

Yeah, I know Very Hard was Chaos (Remembers DW3 Very hard Yi Ling-Shu side), but it sounds less hard, though IMO Chaos sounds harder than Expert.

*shakes fist* gr...*blacks out and sees a random flash* what the....

Is there any good storys, because I was disappionted by Kojiro's and Yoshimoto's, but happy with Toshiie's.

You hated those two stories but liked Toshiie's :o? Wow, you have a stange taste....

Since I thought Toshiie had the worst story overall. That guy needs to be more independent, confident and have a real goals besides being obsessed with Katsuie >_>.
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