KESSEN IV: Ideas/Wishlist

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KESSEN IV: Ideas/Wishlist
Topic Started: Feb 15 2009, 02:47 AM (340 Views)
ShadowOfBushido	Feb 15 2009, 02:47 AM Post #1
暗い光の指揮官 Posts: 1,141 Group: Members Member #16,685 Joined: July 10, 2008 Gender Male	I own Kessen I and 2. And I must say they're both awesome. I've heard alot of good things about Kessen 3. and now, Kessen 4 should be coming right? I mean at least make two more for the next gen systems and you can end it. Kessen 4-The three kingdoms. Kessen 5-Sengoku Period.
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Fayt	Feb 15 2009, 03:53 AM Post #2
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	I'm surprised there isn't a topic for this already, unless of course I cannot find it. Anyway, while I think a Kessen IV is highly unlikely I've love to see it stay in Sengoku period, focusing on Hideyoshi. Prior Kessen titles have focused on Nobunaga & Ieyasu, time for the third prominent character to be the main feature. IF for some reason they went back to Three Kingdoms I've like the focus to go onto Wu, who were nothing more then just 'extras' in Kessen II. Then get the gameplay somewhere inbetween that of Kessen II and Kessen III. Have the more managerial fashion of Kessen III - with shops and various equipment purchases etc, but give back more of a strategy element to battles such as witnessed in the first two titles.
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ShadowOfBushido	Feb 15 2009, 03:55 AM Post #3
暗い光の指揮官 Posts: 1,141 Group: Members Member #16,685 Joined: July 10, 2008 Gender Male	Fayt Feb 15 2009, 03:53 AM I'm surprised there isn't a topic for this already, unless of course I cannot find it. Anyway, while I think a Kessen IV is highly unlikely I've love to see it stay in Sengoku period, focusing on Hideyoshi. Prior Kessen titles have focused on Nobunaga & Ieyasu, time for the third prominent character to be the main feature. IF for some reason they went back to Three Kingdoms I've like the focus to go onto Wu, who were nothing more then just 'extras' in Kessen II. I think the Next Gen systems have enough Space to have Oda, Toyotomi, and Tokugawa. Wu,Wei,and Shu
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Fayt	Feb 15 2009, 03:56 AM Post #4
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	LightShadow Feb 15 2009, 03:55 AM Fayt Feb 15 2009, 03:53 AM I'm surprised there isn't a topic for this already, unless of course I cannot find it. Anyway, while I think a Kessen IV is highly unlikely I've love to see it stay in Sengoku period, focusing on Hideyoshi. Prior Kessen titles have focused on Nobunaga & Ieyasu, time for the third prominent character to be the main feature. IF for some reason they went back to Three Kingdoms I've like the focus to go onto Wu, who were nothing more then just 'extras' in Kessen II. I think the Next Gen systems have enough Space to have Oda, Toyotomi, and Tokugawa. Wu,Wei,and Shu Well sure that would be great. But disk space is one thing, KOEI is another.
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Nasser	Feb 19 2009, 02:30 PM Post #5
In a scale from one to ten, I'm The Awesome Posts: 1,391 Group: Members Member #9,358 Joined: August 24, 2007 Gender Male	True, I'd love to see this game. Though BladeStorm seems to take KOEI's intrests now >_> I don't mind this game in either periods really, but I do love to see longer storylines with much more maps and battles. Having a wider range of selectable forces would be nice as well.
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necrosis	Feb 23 2009, 04:22 AM Post #6
Watching and waiting... Posts: 2,238 Group: Members Member #1,706 Joined: April 26, 2006	Bladestorm was not a succes, it has not taken their interests. Kessen 4 should really focus on Japan again. I'm being smarmy here, but its a Japanese word for a type of battle, after all. It should focus on the Genpai War. Koei has been on a MINAMOTO!!!11 kick as of late in Orochi, so how about shedding some more realistic light on the era. A game focusing on Yoshitsune, but have it have the nonhistorical twists so he can not end up ganked by bro. And maybe get Kiso Yoshinaka not pwned horribly.
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Nasser	Feb 23 2009, 06:32 PM Post #7
In a scale from one to ten, I'm The Awesome Posts: 1,391 Group: Members Member #9,358 Joined: August 24, 2007 Gender Male	Adachi Tohru Feb 23 2009, 04:22 AM Bladestorm was not a succes, it has not taken their interests. Kessen 4 should really focus on Japan again. I'm being smarmy here, but its a Japanese word for a type of battle, after all. It should focus on the Genpai War. Koei has been on a MINAMOTO!!!11 kick as of late in Orochi, so how about shedding some more realistic light on the era. A game focusing on Yoshitsune, but have it have the nonhistorical twists so he can not end up ganked by bro. And maybe get Kiso Yoshinaka not pwned horribly. Now that you mention it, since Kessen is a japanese name it should stick with that period. I wouldn't really mind seeing games from that period, I don't really know much about it, probably nothing except the name but that game might really shed some light into it, many here actually know it too.
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Celestial	Feb 23 2009, 07:59 PM Post #8
Glad to meet you. Lord Liu Bei. Posts: 472 Group: Members Member #18,905 Joined: October 9, 2008	They have done the 3 kingdoms and Samurai Warriors. How about a kessen game for Warriors Orochi. Bringing the universes together to create a unique story.
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The Hero	Feb 23 2009, 08:38 PM Post #9
Heyya!:D Posts: 1,010 Group: Members Member #221 Joined: December 27, 2005 Gender Male	Fayt Feb 15 2009, 03:53 AM I'm surprised there isn't a topic for this already, unless of course I cannot find it. Anyway, while I think a Kessen IV is highly unlikely I've love to see it stay in Sengoku period, focusing on Hideyoshi. Prior Kessen titles have focused on Nobunaga & Ieyasu, time for the third prominent character to be the main feature. IF for some reason they went back to Three Kingdoms I've like the focus to go onto Wu, who were nothing more then just 'extras' in Kessen II. Then get the gameplay somewhere inbetween that of Kessen II and Kessen III. Have the more managerial fashion of Kessen III - with shops and various equipment purchases etc, but give back more of a strategy element to battles such as witnessed in the first two titles. Agreed, I would love a Kessen game that focuses on Hideyoshi and his story.Hoepfully they will make a fourth installment of this game.
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Manji	Feb 24 2009, 03:42 AM Post #10
delicious... Posts: 2,329 Group: Global Moderators Member #9,417 Joined: August 28, 2007 Gender Female	Here's an idea... JUST MAKE THE GAME, KOEI!! Celestial Feb 23 2009, 07:59 PM How about a kessen game for Warriors Orochi. Bringing the universes together to create a unique story. Oh god. Oh god. OH GOD NO! Don't you even give them that idea. The wonderful aspect of Kessen is that while it may still use the same SOURCE MATERIAL as DW&SW, the characters and the telling of events in the stories are completely DIFFERENT. I hope to see hell freeze over before we have Da Ji prancing around in Kessen 4... ANYWAY. Good ideas all round, aside from that (no offense). I'm eager to have a Kessen game take place in a different era aside from the Three Kingdoms and Warring States. As much as I love Hideyoshi-sama... eh, let's give someone else a chance. I like former-tentacle monster's idea of focusing on the Minamoto, I don't know much about Yoshitsune to be honest, so I think I would enjoy being exposed to something new. Edited by Manji, Feb 24 2009, 03:43 AM.
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Fayt	Feb 24 2009, 04:04 AM Post #11
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	Celestial Feb 23 2009, 07:59 PM They have done the 3 kingdoms and Samurai Warriors. How about a kessen game for Warriors Orochi. Bringing the universes together to create a unique story. Like Manji, god please no. I would never buy a KOEI game again if that happened. Warriors Orochi is total garbage compared to DW & SW with its absurd storyline IMO. I wish I never purchased it to be honest, sure it's fun to have DW/SW mixes, but it lasts about as long as fairy floss in the end really. I'd never play it again, while I would with SW2 & DW6. The thing that made Kessen III so brilliant was its superb story, with a quality historical/fictional blend using Oda Nobunaga's dream. It needs to maintain that for it to be a success, that is if it ever happens… I like Adachi's idea too, I could happily settle for that instead of Hideyoshi if it means another Kessen!
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Nasser	Feb 24 2009, 09:16 AM Post #12
In a scale from one to ten, I'm The Awesome Posts: 1,391 Group: Members Member #9,358 Joined: August 24, 2007 Gender Male	I third that, I would NEVER enjoy a Kessen game with a Warriors Orochi storyline that would just ruin the historical value of the game by miles. Imagine playing the stages, with random unit names floating around, Yellow Belly, Urutu, etc.. Sorry but I really would hate KOEI if they did that So what else, aside the storyline would you guys like to see? I'd LOVE to see a branching story progressing, where you choose your own ending like in SW1 that would add alot to the game's replayability value. Also more strategic depth to the game, like in Kessen II where you choose your formation and strategy. I'd also love to see more officers deployed in a battle and much bigger maps Edited by Nasser, Feb 24 2009, 09:19 AM.
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Yuan Benchu	Feb 26 2009, 06:58 PM Post #13
~Distuinguished And Noble~ Posts: 127 Group: Members Member #187 Joined: November 30, 2005	I would really love to see another game with the same approach as Kessen 3, but with a few more playable forces. I think that you should be able to play as the Shimazu and Date forces, because they would not conflict or disrupt Nobunaga's storyline too much. I enjoyed the stages from Kessen 3 when the battles were on a smaller scale, and it involved uniting Owari and gathering vassals. I think the Date and Shimazu clans would be perfect. Furthermore, a sort of free mode would be and excellant addition in my opinion. Being able to play famous historical battles, which would allow you to play as forces such as Takeda, Uesugi, Mori etc.



Celestial	Feb 26 2009, 08:15 PM Post #14
Glad to meet you. Lord Liu Bei. Posts: 472 Group: Members Member #18,905 Joined: October 9, 2008	Wow! lol I was just using that as a suggestion. I'm just thinking that they could combine DW and SW together some way. It doesn't have to involve Orochi.
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Fayt	Feb 26 2009, 10:36 PM Post #15
Sakon, has left the topic. Posts: 3,638 Group: Members Member #9,265 Joined: August 19, 2007 Gender Male	Celestial Feb 26 2009, 08:15 PM Wow! lol I was just using that as a suggestion. I'm just thinking that they could combine DW and SW together some way. It doesn't have to involve Orochi. Yeah of course, but doing that means historical value bottoms out. That is one thing I hated about Kessen II - as I'm sure it did many others. While it was very loosely based on the Three Kingdoms it was done so badly you wanted to poke you own eyes out. C'mon Liu Bei and Cao Cao brothers? WTF? I'm not really fussed as to having more playable forces, I found the focus on one with Oda Nobunaga in Kessen III was one thing that allowed it to have more depth, as opposed to the prior titles which focused on more then one playable force.
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LoW	Feb 27 2009, 12:47 AM Post #16
This guy definitely isn't a rock anymore.... Posts: 4,435 Group: Members Member #749 Joined: February 21, 2006 Gender Male	I thought Kessen II's story was great. It had original story and characters, something which had never been seen in any other KOEI's Three Kingdoms games. Xiahou Yuan with badass design and attitude? Yu Jin being Zhang He of DW? Liu Bei and Diao Chan as lovers? Totally unexpected and a welcome change after having played DW series. In fact, if KOEI did something like that with DW as well, maybe you could actually call each new game as a sequel... Anyway, while I liked Kessen 3 story, I was slightly disappointed by the fact that you could only play the game from Nobunaga's point of view. Wouldn't have minded an alternate story for Ieyasu or bonus battles for Shingen and Kenshin. Right now, I can only come up with one idea which I would like to see in Kessen IV: Mix the gameplay elements from all previous titles. Take the AI and strategy elements from Kessen 1 and 2, and add the gameplay of Kessen 3 (but with less button smashing). I think it could work and create a perfect battle system. Some kind of limit break attack (special attack for each general) wouldn't be a totally bad idea either.
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ShadowOfBushido	Mar 22 2009, 06:05 PM Post #17
暗い光の指揮官 Posts: 1,141 Group: Members Member #16,685 Joined: July 10, 2008 Gender Male	LoW Feb 27 2009, 12:47 AM I thought Kessen II's story was great. It had original story and characters, something which had never been seen in any other KOEI's Three Kingdoms games. Xiahou Yuan with badass design and attitude? Yu Jin being Zhang He of DW? Liu Bei and Diao Chan as lovers? Totally unexpected and a welcome change after having played DW series. In fact, if KOEI did something like that with DW as well, maybe you could actually call each new game as a sequel... Anyway, while I liked Kessen 3 story, I was slightly disappointed by the fact that you could only play the game from Nobunaga's point of view. Wouldn't have minded an alternate story for Ieyasu or bonus battles for Shingen and Kenshin. Right now, I can only come up with one idea which I would like to see in Kessen IV: Mix the gameplay elements from all previous titles. Take the AI and strategy elements from Kessen 1 and 2, and add the gameplay of Kessen 3 (but with less button smashing). I think it could work and create a perfect battle system. Some kind of limit break attack (special attack for each general) wouldn't be a totally bad idea either. I wish they'd let you attack on the ground instead of always on a horse.
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Seraphil	Mar 22 2009, 06:41 PM Post #18
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel? Posts: 3,818 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	As much as I liked Kessen III's story and well-defined characters, I did not really care for the "Warriors-ization" of the gameplay as compared to Kessen the first. While I don't mind being able to directly control a unit in the battle, I felt the way they did it in K3 took emphasis off the "commander of the army" aspect that K1 had in droves. I like to see my men following my orders, without me having to carry out their orders for them sometimes. I would greatly enjoy a Kessen focused on the Gempei War and its aftermath. Koei did a game in a similar vein some time before, which I unfortunately never played, which let you play as the Minamoto(Yoshitsune), Minamoto(Yoshinaka), or Taira. Another period I wouldn't mind seeing focus on is the early Sengoku era right after the Onin War. This could feature such guys like Hojo Soun, Imagawa Ujichika, the infamous Hosokawas, Amago Tsunehisa, Mouri Motonari's early career, the rise of the Miyoshi and the fall of the Shogunate. I don't really expect it, though... If the 3K was featured again, a focus on Wu would be nice. Sun Ce's campaigns would be a great way to use the Kessen engine.
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