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| ShadowOfBushido | Mar 4 2009, 04:54 AM Post #1 |
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Well what could Koei do to make their games better, or make you WANT to buy their games? Like as much as you NEED TO HAVE their games.   Also, has Koei redeemed themselves to you yet? What Koei could do to make their games better: 1. Add more characters to DW, SW, WO, BS THYW, and DWG. 2. Add more story to each characters musou 3. Add a Kingdom type of musou again, but when you choose a stage it'll give a unique opening story for your character just like in DW5. And for your CAW's it'll give a opening for each stage like in DW6. 4. Give CAW's musou modes 5. Give three unique cutscenes for each each stage the character is in, a unique cutscene thats especially for that character. 6. More in game cut scenes 7. A language option 8. A stage selection for every character like in SW 9. A musou system like in SW1 where depending on how you win the stage, you'll go to a may go to fictional stage. 10. Opening Edit mode. 11. Ending Edit mode, four unique ending edit modes in Ex:DW7 where once you complete all musou modes from like Wei for example, you get the special ending edit just for that kingdom, and once you complete all musou modes for the four kingdoms you get to use all characters in all four ending edits 12. Option to use the original weapons and movesets, and/or the new weapons and new movesets What Koei can do to MAKE ME WANT TO BUY THEIR GAMES SO MUCH THAT I'D NEED TO HAVE IT: Just add at least one of these things Has Koei redeemed themselves to me?: yes |
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| ChibiGingi | Mar 4 2009, 05:48 PM Post #2 |
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You need to add a HELL NO option (and, to be fair, HELL YES). XD How could Koei make me LOVE them again? Well, being a picky little b!tch that I am, it'll take an awful lot. Hey, at least I'm honest about it. 1.) Bring back all of the cut characters. Meng Huo's a start, now start throwing in his sexy wife, Jiang Wei, Xing Cai, Pang De, Da Qiao (so the fans can finally get off OUR backs XD) and Zuo Ci. I understand omitting the three Others characters, but you couldn't have at least made clones of the rest? Would it have been... that hard? What's a few more clones anyway- at least they'd be in there. 2.) Story mode for every single character. You can BS a story for Dian Wei and Sun Jian, but not for Jiang Wei? Don't give me that "he was only important in two stages, der der der" because Dian Wei was important for 1 and his entire DW6 storyline HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT EVENT AT ALL. Don't TELL me you can't BS stories for everyone- DW6 stories were ALL BS, so spread your crap equally. SERIOUSLY. 3.) Actually work on another Kessen, Tactics, ROTK or Bladestorm. Those games weren't so bad and have a fanbase on its own. Cut those fans a little slack; I'd love to have another Kessen game. 4.) Don't bring back Kingdom Mode. Unless you do it LightShadow's way, there was no reason to play every character and made so many of them useless in DW4. 5.) Language options. English, Japanese, Chinese (Mandarin/Cantonese, I'm indifferent), Spanish, French, German and Shakespearean British (because that would just be hilarious). Come on, don't be hatin', Koei. 6.) Edit Officer modes. Not for me, I could care less, but I'm sure other fans would just eat this up. 7.) Online mode. Once again, not for me but for other fans who seem to love this stuff. Personally, it brings in too much metagaming and too many people using the same 5 characters. But, again, other gamers would like this. 8.) NO MORE HORSE FARMING. I'd rather obtain my horses through missions than just sheer luck or using my system to cheat. Seriously. I guess with so little story modes, the player needed something else to do in an otherwise incomplete game. 9.) Alternate routes like in SW1. Good idea, LightShadow. I'd tap that. 10.) Alternative outfits that aren't palette swaps. This is just a guilty pleasure, I can really life without it though. 11.) Improve the Renbu system. Have more levels, and either make it easier to raise up or harder to knock down. One or the other is fine with me... having it both hard to raise and easy to bump down really makes this game frustrating at times. |
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| Xanxus | Mar 16 2009, 04:08 AM Post #3 |
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no...... koei hasn't doe anything interesting to me since that dynasty warriors 6 bs. yes it was a fun game but it didn't feel at all like dw. also the renbu system SUCKED I HATED THAT I COULD'NT USE MY FULL ATTACKS STRAIGHT FROM THE GETGO, PLUS THE CHAINS WERE TO LONG(sorry, forgot to take off caps) you could attack forever until your attacked. and since the enimies had those joint charge attacks that were a nice touch, are just frustrating when you want to see that last bit of your attack, but who cares cuz there is no big bang at the end you just start over again. other than that you guys said it all, mabey koei you will redeem yourself with dwxl or sw3 |
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| Travman1 | Mar 23 2009, 05:17 AM Post #4 |
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I feel for the warriors games that some more strategic intangibles would make for a nice breathe of air. For example being able to direct the charge of your army on the battlfield. I'd like to see the return of "bodyguards" as well but with a more hands control of being able to order them around more in depth |
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| Zhen_Ji_Fan | Apr 21 2009, 06:15 PM Post #5 |
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koei could make their games better if they listened to the fans. DW 6 was a big let down...yes it was a step in the right direction but they cut all the characters out and left you with half of the content from the others. they should have made it like DW4 where everyone had a musou mode and yes they were repeat stages but they had to see it from different characters perspectives. another thing they might want to look into doing is stop the exclusive stuff. it alienates the customers and then makes the fans of the series not want to purchase anymore games from them. |
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| Jiahe | Apr 21 2009, 09:20 PM Post #6 |
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ChibiGingi, you pretty much summed up all the stuff that I was going to say to make these games better but I guess I'll add a few of them to my list too. 1. Horse and weapon farming: Again, this was the most ridiculous idea ever to be add to the series. Hey, the time tricks work for PS3 users but it was just not needed and I feel bad for the Xbox users who has to base this all off luck alone. Same goes for the weapons in DW6. 2. No more prequels or sequels: Don't rush Warriors Orochi twice and then decide to make a game combining the two just to add more features. Everyone else just misses out on gaming news for Samurai Warriors 3 because of this. 3. No more color palette swaps costumes: I am with you on this one ChibiGingi. Majority of the ones that were introduce in WO and DW6 were just downright horrible colors. 4. No clone movesets: Seriously, I had to put up with this in DW2 and I was glad they got rid of it afterwards until it was used in DW6 again. I don't mind it much but it can get boring. 5. Common ground between difficulties of the games: Don't make the games way too easy that way people can complain so that you can try making them happy by making a game that is ridiculously hard because of cheap AI officers that are in hypermode blocking and parrying all your attacks. I want a game that can I can enjoy playing with a challenge but doesn't involve me getting pissed off because I can't kill a lousy generic officer with a cheap AI. |
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| Saurolisk | Apr 23 2009, 07:25 AM Post #7 |
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I feel that the games actually need less characters, so that the creative talent may focus their attention more on the depth of the individual character, dialogue, and respective story lines rather than... whatever it is they are focusing on now. |
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| caocao1992 | Apr 23 2009, 12:47 PM Post #8 |
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I guess Koei could expand on the renbu system by making it easier to gain levels as well as adding more attacks. |
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| Manji | Apr 23 2009, 03:43 PM Post #9 |
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I actually agree... I much preferred SW1 with the smaller cast of characters with more dynamic personalities. At the time, I actually found SW1 more enjoyable then the DW series due to the smaller roster of characters. Of course... we all noticed the near full-blown riot taking place when the SEVEN deleted characters where announced for DW6, and we still have people griping about Da Qiao's absence.  So... I'm not sure if removing MORE characters will be the route Koei will take, considering they've already returned Meng Hou to character status, we may see the others back for DW7. For better or worse. 
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| LoW | Apr 23 2009, 04:21 PM Post #10 |
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I actually wouldn't mind if KOEI started a whole new Dynasty Warriors series, New Generation. Get rid of all old characters except Sima Yi and Jiang Wei and focus on 3K's later events (from Zhuge Liang death to Wu's fall). DW6 was a good start. No need to stop there. |
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| Thuellai | Apr 24 2009, 02:54 AM Post #11 |
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As a Zhuge Liang fanboy (and Jiang Wei by extension) I just want one thing: More strategic opportunities in battle. I want the chance to change up the battlefield more through those sorts of events. I want more of the "LOL Surprise" moments you could get by jumping on someone in DW6. On the SW side of things, cannons and such could be used for so much more. Destructible aspects to the battlefields would be awesome. Basically, just make the fights more dynamic. |
 
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| Ryuzaki | Apr 25 2009, 04:39 PM Post #12 |
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I voted Hell Yeah! because i got most of their games and every DW ans SW game but the only thing i really want back is arrows! They got rid of them for grabs which i dont really like. I would also like an option for renbu or not because i also like the combo's. In SW i am going to wait til SW3 because i think it will be upgraded like DW6 so i will wait to critisize that! |
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| trippint82 | Jul 20 2009, 12:31 PM Post #13 |
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My only gripe with these games has been the clone deal¡..and even when they change them they end up changing ones that didn¡¯t really need changing. If they had a good move set and weapon before don¡¯t change it update it. Ok like DW6 lu bei is great with the two swords now and not a clone. Then they give ling tong a three section staff even tho his nunchaku where fine¡¡maybe someone else should have gotten that cause its really good. Gaun Ping sucks now¡..his huge blade was so much better. I could go on, but it seems cooler to have unique warriors¡..and way to many clubs in DW6. Also some warriors could just use martial arts¡..I know weird idea but with so many styles like snake, crane, drunken monkey¡..even those characters they would choose to go unarmed could be fun to play with¡¡I guess sharpening would mean sharpening your fighting skills and imbuing your fists lol. As for WO series I think it was great to add sun Wukong and I guess they added Xuanzang as a chick I don¡¯t understand it but I¡¯m sure she plays well. They could have added the whole journey west crew like Zhu Bajie the piggy with the nine toothed rake and Sha Wujing with his monk spade. Xunzang also I think should have had a ring staff. Maybe even Y¨´l¨®ng S¨¡nt¨¤iz¨« who turns into a horse or could be a horse you could get¡..there isn¡¯t much about him. Ha for DWE6 I had a whole crew of journey west characters¡¡like Sun Wukong¡.and the Jade Emperor. 
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| Cerebral Assassin | Jul 20 2009, 02:07 PM Post #14 |
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Here's some of my ideas for the musou series : 1. Story Mode for everyone : I know it is hard for some characters like Dian Wei in DW or Ranmaru in SW but everyone deserves to have their own stories. What Koei needs to do is put some what-if situation (like Guan Ping in Yiling (DW5) or Shingen in Nagashino (SW2)). Characters like Ranmaru who was only known for being Nobunaga's page and died so early, they could add up like him survives Honnoji and join Hideyoshi at Yamazaki. 2. Don't put the Kingdom Musou back : It's not necessary. 3. No cloned movesets : This cloning thing is one of the reasons DW6 was a big Disappointment. 4. Get more strategic : I'm not asking for Musou series to be like ROTK but the "One Man Army" concept bores me. 5. Ability to lead a unit : I would love to play as Kenshin leading the Uesugi Cavalry. 6. 2nd costumes (not just different colors) : Not that I need it but this could be fun. 7. No more horse farming : This idea was laughable. |
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| Ganheim | Jul 20 2009, 03:51 PM Post #15 |
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Uhh...no. I need food. I do not need video games. Koei, Square Enix, Atlus, Insomniac Studios, doesn't really matter. VGs are nice to have, but not something I need. Besides which, it's not like Koei's done something they need to be 'redeemed' for...like Electronic Arts putting SecuROM and online activation (much less authorization limits) on Tiberium Wars and Red Alert 3. What are some of the things I'd like in future installments of Koei's games? Language/dub options would be nice, branching musou mode like SW, the ability to equip unlocked weapons on any character like Multi Raid/Strikeforce. I also want to point out that Koei can't please everybody: I'll just point to the number of posters in this thread alone that said "I want more characters, the ones we have are good" and others that said "I'd even want characters cut to focus on my favourites". Given the relative stable quality of their games (as opposed to buggy crap like Dawn of Magic, or lame crap like Star Trek Encounters), I think they've been doing a pretty good job, and seeing DW6 makes me hope that they'll continue occasionally changing and refining (if not mixing things up) as the games progress. Although it would be nice to be able to play as 'unlocked' officers in Bladestorm 2 (though I doubt there will be a sequel, unfortunately). |
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| LunarLight | Jul 20 2009, 06:09 PM Post #16 |
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DW6 is a 'let down' because it's a 'refresh' of the series, such as 2 was. When 7 is released/announced, I'm sure they'll bring back the characters and replace the weapons. Face it; 6 = 2, 7=3. :D 1. Add More Characters- YESSS I NEED TO SEE NEW PEOPLE. Like Wen Chou and Yan Liang and Man Chong. ;-; If I spelled that wrong who cares. xDD 2. More in-depth story- I agree. We need to see more events withing the mosou modes. >A> 3. Add a Kingdom type of Mosou- Lolwut? Brain fart. 4. CAW's Mosou- Uhh... how would that plant out? o-o 5. Unique Cutscenes per Stage- Wouldn't that be a bit difficult? I don't mind it, but, eh... 6. In-Game cut scenes- YES PLEASE. I was missing out in 6, there wasn't enough. OTL 7. Language Option- Mwuahaha, like I did in SA DX and set all the voices in Japanese to hear their grunts. xDDD 8. Stage Selection for Each Character- Nah, I like putting the characters in stages they don't belong in. Like SSX in YTR. Mwuahaha. 9. Mosou System Leads to Fictional Stage- Yesss, that would be awesome~ and more ' just for fun' stages like in DW5, such as Guan Yu's Escape and... Sun Ce's... thing... with that sorcerer guy. o-o 10. Opening Edit Mode- Took the words right out of my mouth, we need this back. So much fun to add all the same characters in the same scene. 11. Special Ending Edit Mode per Kingdom- This would work too. (: 12. Option to use Original Movesets and Weapons- Or how about... just giving two completely different weapons per character? Like... SSX can have a bow AND chakrams. I would so totally love #12~ *drool* Edited by LunarLight, Jul 20 2009, 06:09 PM.
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| the glorious sun jian | Jul 20 2009, 06:09 PM Post #17 |
IT IS TIME TO CUT DONG ZHOU,S HEAD and DRINK IT,S BLOOD
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The only games I love from KOEI are those of ROTK,DT,Kessen nd Nobunaga Ambition . Other than that , Omega Force sucks in developing games and KOEI does really need to produce what they were known for ....strategy games ! And yes I have stopped playing Warriors junky ,joky and stupid games . Things are getting better with Kuo Shibisawa developing a new Nobunaga Ambition game , maybe a ROTK game and Ni Oh . Those three games would save KOEI for me . Edited by the glorious sun jian, Jul 20 2009, 06:10 PM.
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| Jiahe | Jul 20 2009, 06:32 PM Post #18 |
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Instead of trying to find ways to make the games better which they haven't for the most part, they should just do something completely new and fresh. Stop focusing on Zhao Yun all the time as the posterboy for these games. Who cares if he saved that idiot Liu Chan at Chang Ban? He isn't even that attractive lol. All the other officers at least accomplished more in the series then him so why is it that he get all the spotlight and not the others? KOEI has done nothing except going backward instead of forwards into a new direction. Good example would be Empires. I enjoyed it only because of the marriages which was a nice add on but I felt the game was rushed because of the no character interactions, lack of creativity with the CAW costumes, bugs & glitches, no CAWs for the edit ending (stupid KOEI), and the lack of creativity with the trophies was pretty sad. |
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| LunarLight | Jul 20 2009, 07:33 PM Post #19 |
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the glorious sun jian, that doesn't even make sense... you have a DW6 Lu Meng avatar yet you hate DW/SW? Lol. Wut. I understand your username and title, as I'm sure you're referring to ROTK or DT. |D Jiahe, you're Mwuahaha.... Zhao Yun, why did you save Liu Chan? ...well, atleast Liu Bei threw him on the ground, amiright? ...or else he wouldn't be so stupid~ *kicked* I agree with you on the bugs, ending edit, trophies, and... the marriages. :D Xiao Qiao x Lu Bu? Yesplz. But as I said. 6 = 2, 7 = 3. So here's hoping 7 will be better~ Edited by LunarLight, Jul 20 2009, 07:33 PM.
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| strategist_jeffo | Jul 21 2009, 10:04 AM Post #20 |
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Totally +1 here. I'd only take Pang De and Da Qiao back, tho. |
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| TheMightyMarkSimo | Oct 2 2009, 09:43 PM Post #21 |
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1. make a decision on EDIT mode either put it in the main games or not all, first it was in all the DW4 games (Empires and XL), then it wasn't in the main DW5 game but it was in DW5: Empires, and then the same with DW6!  2. Bring in an online mode! DW, SW and Warriors Orochi games tend to get boring very quickly if you haven't got a second player to play with. 3. Get a consistant bunch of VA's for each set of games! We've had like five different actors playing Sun Jian for christ's sake 4. Fix the friggin' siege weapons, they're just completely pointless as of DW6 You just defend them, you don't get to operate them at all! I still love the DW series and i'll be sure to pick up the next DW game (assuming there will be), but if Koei were to make those 4 changes, it would make the games a whole lot better IMHO |
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| Amari Ade Lord of Ohray | Nov 1 2009, 10:10 PM Post #22 |
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i recently got a old game Kingdom under Fire: crusader. those who haven't tried it should, rent it , buy it whatever. there is stretegy and DW style combat but its how they mesh it together. where Bladestorm was u with one unit in KUF u control multiple units with u in the main unit. terrain, weather, time of day affected units fighting capacity. and it had online multiplayer. For Bladestorm 2 Koei should take some notes on how KUF works |
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| SJFaith | Nov 1 2009, 11:13 PM Post #23 |
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I'm not sure myself i find myself getting every KOEI game i can yet i feel as though something is missing (Mainly with The DW6 series) if they want to redeem themselves in my opinion they need to fix DW6 by using their last hope of an expansion DW6 XL to fix all persistant errors caused and give everyone what they've voted, begged, nagged, asked and demanded for. If DW6 XL fails the DW6 Series may end up being the worst of KOEI's game series and i doubt they'd want that hanging over their shoulders. |
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| soad | Nov 5 2009, 03:13 PM Post #24 |
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Koei should make the peons in Dynasty Warriors more of a challenge. Kinda like in Dynasty Warriors 3 but smarter. But they can't forget to make the allied peons help as well. |
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| PhoenixOfWEI | Nov 22 2009, 04:59 PM Post #25 |
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All I want is it to be a harder game. And More strategy. |
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