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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,972,838 Views)
Uesugi Kenshin
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:06 am
i agree with Mewshuji Basara Kenshin is AWESOME,absolutely AWESOME
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けんしんがうつくしいです~...
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Nuriko
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i'm pro western army brother
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:09 am
LegendaryDragonWarrior
Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:04 am
I see Koei are siding with the western side (Toyotomi).they are making them like the good guys, and how sad is their lose in Sekigahara.
I do agree actually, KOEI has a hard on for the Toyotomi side of the conflict (although they do portray the internal conflicts between Mitsunari and Kiyomasa, etc). IRL, though Kiyomasa LOATHED Mitsunari's guts, and so did Fukushima.

What they did to Hidetada versus Hideyori in the anime was proof. Seriously, KOEI? Yeah, Hidetada was not a good commander, and he lost at Ueda castle, granted. Fair enough. But, was he a conniving, evil-laughter villain? If it were so, the Tokugawa shogunate would have collapsed right when it began! :realangry:
SW anime is the worst thing of KOEI i have ever seen. It's all about western side and Yukimura. It's really a ridiculous anime.

They also made Yukimura a superhuman there
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MeowMeow
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Mewshuji,

Shogun total war isn't accurate. NO DUH! Ninjas didn't wear black robes and kill people, they just gathered information and fought as regular samurai.

HOWEVER, it is MORE accurate than SW and SB combined. Its not perfect by any means, but there aren't any literal demons or monsters flying around. :whistle:

and I said it was a SIDE DISH, not the MAIN DISH, because when it comes to video games ACCURATELY portraying the era... the pickings are pretty slim. :lol:
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Hidetada was known to be kind of a ****, so SW Hidetada ISN'T too inaccurate I feel. He was HILARIOUS though, most importantly, which makes up for any inaccurate portrayal.
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Western army is terribly evil :beard:
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MeowMeow
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YEAH BABY ;)
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:12 am
i'm pro western army brother
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: Its ok. In the games I am pro-western army too. :hug: :hug: Its just that history is a lot more grey than that. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: Love you sis :hug: :hug:
LegendaryDragonWarrior
Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:13 am
Western army is terribly evil :beard:
I don't think either side was "good" or "evil". Omnimusha's portrayal of Mitsunari is far worse than KOEI's treatment of Hidetada TBH. Neither side could be 100% correct in a civil war like this.
Edited by MeowMeow, Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:14 am.
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I know, I know, but I just get tired of hearing people say Shogun is SOOOOO accurate. Yes, more accurate than SW and SB, but it's still far from perfect.

Want a game more in line with accuracy? Try Sengoku, or if you want something less based in intra/inter-clan micromanagement, then Takeda.
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I know , but western side made the worst things actually.
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Mewshuji
Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:14 am
I know, I know, but I just get tired of hearing people say Shogun is SOOOOO accurate. Yes, more accurate than SW and SB, but it's still far from perfect.

Want a game more in line with accuracy? Try Sengoku, or if you want something less based in intra/inter-clan micromanagement, then Takeda.
For Takeda you could only play as the Takeda though right? :thinking:
I'm not a "fanboy" of any clans per se (except Date Masamune :P ) I like to "spread my love" around. :hehe:
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there is no "good" or "evil" in War Dragon Warrior,in war Both sides are fighting for what they think is just and right and both sides think the other is evil
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:15 am
I know , but western side made the worst things actually.
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:19 am
I know , but western side made the worst things actually.
Do you mean the Imjin War? Then yes, I agree. There were many, many reasons for that though. I both admire and loathe historical Hideyoshi, for many reasons. Admire because he rose through the ranks and was a talented man for sure. Loathe because of his erratic later behavior, his womanizing (well, a lot of people did at the time though, TBH...) and the invasions of Korea and attempt to conquer China, which would've been pretty much impossible. Korea, perhaps, China, no.
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how is that Dragon Warrior ? (i can NOT believe i'm about to say this) Hideyoshi was the rightful Shogun and after his death as is the order of sucession hideyori would have been shogun,if anything the Tokuwa are "evil" seeing as THEY were the usupers
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Hideyoshi went to far even reached to Korea. So he wanted his son to continue his bad path far and far.
Hideyoshi crimes makes the westren side is bad tho
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Oh, no, Takeda is most of central Honshu. From the Mouri to the Miyoshi all the way east to the Date. You can be any of those clans.
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:23 am
how is that Dragon Warrior ? (i can NOT believe i'm about to say this) Hideyoshi was the rightful Shogun and after his death as is the order of sucession hideyori would have been shogun,if anything the Tokuwa are "evil" seeing as THEY were the usupers
Umm,

Hideyoshi was never the shogun. He was the "Taiko", or chief minister, but because he came from a peasant background he was never "shogun". There was NO shogun from Ashikaga Yoshiaki's death to 1603 when Ieyasu revived the title. Ieyasu was able to because he had noble birth, unlike Hideyoshi. However, "Taiko" was the highest title even past Sekigahara, so in a sense yes it was Tokugawa who betrayed them. But didn't the Toyotomi also "betray" the Oda and wipe out Shibata?

:hug: :hug: Sorry sis. Hideyoshi never took the "shogun" title. There was no "rightful shogun". Unlike the Emperor, the title of shogun (like the Chinese Emperors) was more flexible, in that any noble could claim lineage from Minamoto (somehow) and claim the title with enough power. Hideyoshi, though, was never shogun.
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you're bias Dragon Warrior because Tadakatsu was with the Tokugawa,i guarantee if he had been with the Toyotomi you'd consider the Eastern army evil
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Mewshuji
Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:11 am
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:06 am
i agree with Mewshuji Basara Kenshin is AWESOME,absolutely AWESOME
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けんしんがうつくしいです~...
:crazy: :OMG:
I mean you know "female" Kenshin, but still... :D :cool: :hehe:
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Nuriko
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youre missing the point i'm trying to make brother x.x
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:30 am
you're bias Dragon Warrior because Tadakatsu was with the Tokugawa,i guarantee if he had been with the Toyotomi you'd consider the Eastern army evil
I disagree with naming either side "evil".
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Don't get me wrong. I don't like Tokugawa in the game. And that has nothing to do with Tadakatsu :asia:

But making Hideyoshi as a peaceful guy is just not right
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Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:32 am
youre missing the point i'm trying to make brother x.x
:hug: :hug: You said Hideyoshi was the "rightful Shogun", I know the point you are making, but.... he was never shogun. Thats just a fact.

:hug: :wub: Love you and KOEI Kiyomasa! :P
LegendaryDragonWarrior
Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:33 am
Don't get me wrong. I don't like Tokugawa in the game. And that has nothing to do with Tadakatsu :asia:

But making Hideyoshi as a peaceful guy is just not right
But... I generally think KOEI Tokugawa is one of the nicest warlords in the game! Especially from SW2 onward. I may be biased because I mainly see him in Orochi games and he's a really nice guy there too. :lol:

and I agree with you remaking Toyotomi into a peaceful guy. That isn't good at all. His invasion of Korea ALONE rips that idea apart!

@ Mewshuji: Different strokes for different folks I guess. :ph43r: :ph43r: :lol:
Edited by MeowMeow, Sat Jun 6, 2015 3:43 am.
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i admit i'm a tad bias because you know coughmitsunariishotandcoulduseanoclothesdlcpatchcough
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