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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,972,500 Views)
Mr. Kamikaze
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then they all die and the Sanada clan is gone forever

Nobuyuki vouched for Yukimura several times, keeping him from being executed. Yukimura decided he still wanted to fight and then asked to be killed.
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Eni
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He was a bad influence on his lil bro.

I blame the mofu. That mofu corrupts people.
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Angelic Linca
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Liu Bei's actions are just as bad as Cao Cao's in Xu Province. One just used pretense of war while the other didn't.
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
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Nobuyuki knows that Mitsunari is a cocky jerk. So he didnt want to serve someone like him
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Angelic Linca
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Still waiting for Geisha Mitsunari.
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Eni
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LittleMonsterSakura
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Liu Bei's actions are just as bad as Cao Cao's in Xu Province. One just used pretense of war while the other didn't.
I don't blame either for what they did, it's a human reaction. Even if it is of a bigger scale than nowadays.
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Nuriko
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look at it this way guys: iv'e got a brother who's EXTREMELy hard headed,if he was doing something dangerous that would end up getting him killed and no amount of talking was going to change his mind i would NOT fight him i'd join him and do my best to keep him alive and safe as long as possible.THAT'S WHAT SIBLINGS DO
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Angelic Linca
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Eni
Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:10 pm
LittleMonsterSakura
Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:08 pm
Liu Bei's actions are just as bad as Cao Cao's in Xu Province. One just used pretense of war while the other didn't.
I don't blame either for what they did, it's a human reaction. Even if it is of a bigger scale than nowadays.
I can understand and respect your opinion and feelings on it.

I just don't like that Cao Cao is more vilified when what Liu Bei did was no different, worse also that Zhang Fei was killed by his own men and Guan Yu's own officers defected.

Cao Cao's father was technically murdered.
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Eni
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Thu Jul 2, 2015 10:12 pm
look at it this way guys: iv'e got a brother who's EXTREMELy hard headed,if he was doing something dangerous that would end up getting him killed and no amount of talking was going to change his mind i would NOT fight him i'd join him and do my best to keep him alive and safe as long as possible.THAT'S WHAT SIBLINGS DO
Even if it meant your whole family being killed? Would you sacrifice your entire family for one member's choice?

You do also have to keep in mind it was a different time period.
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Katatonia
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different times. Had Nobuyuki joined Yukimura then his entire family would have been done for
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
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Yukimura wanted to die anyway. He was bored of life and wanted to die
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Mr. Kamikaze
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now imagine your ENTIRE family line is riding on your back. Your brother's actions threaten that family's survival, you decide to join him and if you fail your ENTIRE family suffers and gets wiped out.

You could doom everyone and go join your brother on his stubborn and foolish conquest or you can keep the REST OF THE FAMILY safe while you try and talk your brother down from the other side, the winning side, and hope he sees reason and/or use the connections you've gained from said winning side to vouch for him.

You're gonna risk the survival and safety of every other member of your family because your brother can't chill out?
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
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Nobuyuki cried for Yukimura in the end
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Angelic Linca
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Strangely, Zhuge Jin serving Wu and Zhuge Liang serving Shu seems more benign by comparison. Two brothers sometimes on opposite sides of the battlefield.
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Nuriko
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sorry but i was raised the older sibling looks out for the younger and Nobuyuki was the older sibling so i think Nobuyuki is a jerk
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Eni
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Again, different times.
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
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In my opinion Nobuyuki was a bit evil for leaving his brother tho but... he made the right choise for leaving Mitsunari and Toyotomi which is the worst clan ever :asia:
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Nuriko
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idc who you are,boss,friend,lover if you lay a hand on my brother ima kick your arse XD that's my view on siblings
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Nobuyuki had to take care of the entire clan. Should he, Ina, and the rest of the Sanada die because Yukimura was an idiot? No, of course not. He even tried to STOP Yukimura as opposed to just kill him, and Yukimura still ended up beating him and running into the Tokugawa mob that destroyed him.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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Of course you'd take care of your siblings.

The thing is its not just your siblings its your entire family.

Help my brother fight against the Tokugawa and put my entire family at risk or stay with the Tokugawa and ensure all of their safety? I love my brother, but if he wants to be stupid he can go for it, im not going to endanger my sister, mother, father, nephew, and ....dog (he counts, right?)

Nobuyuki was trying to keep his family safe, that included Yukimura. Yukimura was more concerned with himself and his own ideology.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Like Nobuyuki did everything he could without being a deplorable greedy asshole who cares more about a single sibling than his wife, his other relatives, and all the people he needs to take care of.

It's like if the President of a country needed to decide between saving his soldier brother who directly disobeyed orders, or saving a bunch of citizens.
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
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In the eastren side Nobuyuki defeated Yukimura and Yukimura then ran into Tokugawa army
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Nuriko
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I had to hit my hubs,he says I'm letting my Love of Mitsunari prevent me from seeing common sense,I introduced him to my hardbound copy of Prisoner of Azkaban lol YES I read Harry Potter bite me
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tmma1869
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Poor Magatsu Izanagi, didn't appear as a color scheme for the regular Izanagi in P4 Arena. That would be so awesome.

Izanagi, regardless if regular or Magatsu, is my favorite Persona :P
Edited by tmma1869, Fri Jul 3, 2015 4:37 am.
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Katatonia
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Just took out the Tokugawa, and before Ieyasu committed seppuku, he guilt-trips me. THANKS!
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