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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,972,365 Views)
ChibiGingi
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Like, what do these dogs know that I don't?

*suspicious*
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Nuriko
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oh oh you in trouble now DMR he done told the missus
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Rance
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Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:14 am
so yes Yuan Xi has LOADS more merit than Tadoaki
I personally still don't see why. You yourself have stated before in discussions about Tadaoki that they could just add him and leave out the abusive relationship. They could just be a normal couple. Other people have stated this as well and have even stated that Koei has done the relationship well in some of Koei's Sengoku spinoff games.

I personally think he's a crappy addition and so is Yuan Xi. However, Tadaoki brings a lot more to the table if we're talking about military accomplishments. I understand your strong feelings regarding abusive relationships. They're pretty disgusting for the most part. However, Ryo Genkan has also pointed out above that they were also prevalent throughout much of history. Women could sometimes play a major role in managing households, their family and even in politics throughout both China and Japan. However, they were still largely at the whim of their husbands who could sometimes be quite cruel. Applying your modern standards to these eras just doesn't work. It's anachronistic in many ways. On an entirely different level, the abusive relationship also doesn't matter because Koei isn't likely going to reflect that at all in their games. They don't even bother pointing out Kato's hatred of Christians. They aren't likely going to have domestic abuse.
Edited by Rance, Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:32 am.
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ChibiGingi
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I Hope You Die in a Fire

This reminds me of a certain somebody...
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LegendaryDragonWarrior
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Hungry.
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Nuriko
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now see THAT i'd be okay with i'd WANT Tadoaki if it's a cute romance like Nagamasa and Oichi because i want Gracia to be in a good relationship
now see THAT i'd be okay with i'd WANT Tadoaki if it's a cute romance like Nagamasa and Oichi because i want Gracia to be in a good relationship
Edited by Nuriko, Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:34 am.
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:asia:
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ChibiGingi
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I really don't want to write Ling Cao's death.
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Nuriko
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i'll do it Chibi and you can copypaste lol i'd just need the scene leading up to it
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Thank you for a better wording Rance. That's what i think..history especially WAR isn't some heroic deed. One country sees their country's king or miltary general accomplishment as heroic but enemy country sees them well as devil. Outside of Japan, Kiyomasa is viewed as brutal man with anti-Christian policy. But Japanese till this day still views him as Toyotomi loyalist that won't bow down to Ieyasu and threatened to kill him if he done somehing to Hideyori. Wait..is this getting off tail? What i meant is that everybody different time and different place had different view you can't force your view COMPLETELY to a culture let alone video game.
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Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:34 am
now see THAT i'd be okay with i'd WANT Tadoaki if it's a cute romance like Nagamasa and Oichi because i want Gracia to be in a good relationship
now see THAT i'd be okay with i'd WANT Tadoaki if it's a cute romance like Nagamasa and Oichi because i want Gracia to be in a good relationship
I could criticise a lot of thing with Oichi-Nagamasa..i personally felt Oichi never really love Nagamasa and vice versa too. If Oichi really loves him she never tied a bag of bean. Unless...you know their "love" .

See now back to Kiyomasa i rrmember you like him despite his cruelty(for SW). Now you don't want Tadaoki simply cause of his cruelty to Gracia?
Edited by Ryō Genken, Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:42 am.
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ChibiGingi
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Well, the scene leading up to it is Lu Meng chasing after Ling Tong and thinking of all the many ways he's going to punish him for running off on his own. I also haven't exactly decided which death I want to go with: more historical death (ie, Gan Ning kills him with a bow and arrow) or have Gan Ning come in like a bat out of hell and crushing his skull with his ball-and-chain.

I also grew attached to the guy, so there's that.
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Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:34 am
now see THAT i'd be okay with i'd WANT Tadoaki if it's a cute romance like Nagamasa and Oichi because i want Gracia to be in a good relationship
now see THAT i'd be okay with i'd WANT Tadoaki if it's a cute romance like Nagamasa and Oichi because i want Gracia to be in a good relationship
KOEI wouldn't do otherwise.

Ergo, rather than looking at this whole discussion from the standpoint of morality, it makes more sense to view these two characters from the standpoint of what they would actually add to the series. Tadaoki would add a bit more than Yuan Xi. That's why he wins in my book, but I think both are crap adds.

Yuan Shang and Yuan Tan add a lot more because they were much more visibly embroiled in the conflict with Cao Cao and with one another. Yuan Shao's wife works as well because she also was not neutral or unimportant in all the events that occurred during Yuan Shao's life and after his death.

Also Yuan Shao is already a complete joke. There is no way that adding in a female character could ruin him since Koei has already done a good job making him into comic relief as it is. If they add an emasculating wife of his, it will just further that portrayal. Adding Yuan Shao's wife carries no drawbacks and could result in some amazingly hilarious scenes.
Edited by Rance, Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:45 am.
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Nuriko
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yes but the aspect i want included homosexuality WAS prevalent in sengoku era japan so i don't really see how your argument holds water Ryo that's the only thing i've been passionately fighting for besides Jia Nanfeng being in DW 9 XD
i say the later Chibi the more violent death would A: be bloody,brutal and awesome and b: make Ling Tong's hatred of Gan Ning all the more justified
Edited by Nuriko, Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:46 am.
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ChibiGingi
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Yeah, true. But those two will eventually become friends as well, so... either way, Tong will eventually learn to forgive (but at least he won't bed with him XD).
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Nuriko
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gimme till tomorrow i'll have it written up it's pretty late here and i'd rather just chill for the night
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Wow I thought I was mishearing this report.

I can't believe that racing lawnmowers are actually a thing.
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Nuriko
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god that's one ship that seriously squicks me out x.x
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Rance
Wed Jul 8, 2015 6:51 am
Wow I thought I was mishearing this report.

I can't believe that racing lawnmowers are actually a thing.
Favorite pass time here in the south.
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Nuriko
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dude i've GOT a racing mower it's fun as hell
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About to punt these dogs.
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Nuriko
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which of the two deaths you want? historic or super violent?
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ChibiGingi
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Uh... uuuuh... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Super violent.
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Alright explain this **** to me. How do you race a lawnmower?
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alright PM me the flow of the story (the paragraph directly before the Death and as soon as my brain wakes in the morning i'll get started
the same way you race cars XD you buy a mower and trick it out for racing
Edited by Nuriko, Wed Jul 8, 2015 7:01 am.
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Pretty much. Riding lawnmowers are easy. The ones you push, though, you can rig them with a remote control.

I saw one fly before. It was beautiful.
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