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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,971,383 Views)
Rance
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Scottie
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:36 pm
Rance
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:30 pm
Feminism has branched out in so many different directions that characterizing it as "bad" is really narrow-minded. You're basically looking at a few feminists whose beliefs you disagree with and using them to justify poo-pooing the entire movement. That's retarded.
but like even most of the real awful hardcore feminazi haters hold a lot of the prinicpal beliefs of feminism, so this line of thinking isnt exactly relvant, certainly not in this discussion because no one is disgreeing with women's rights, I'm disagreeing with a lot of modern feminism, thats all.

I'm not interested in faulty research, confirmation bias and ultimatums
The difference here, though, is that you qualified your disagreement rather than shitting on the entire ideal. You don't disagree with the entire movement, only with some of the modern offshoots of it. I still think that you're treating "modern feminism" unfairly since it's so broad and there are so many disparate and often conflicting viewpoints within it, though.

Did you know, for instance, that there are both pro-porn and anti-porn feminists? The pro-porn feminists argue that women's sexuality and the body has been liberated. Way back in the day, women had to cover up their sexuality much more and there was a big fight against that and against oppressive forces within society that were restricting women (i.e. religion). Anti-porn feminists, however, believe that porn is objectifying and treats women as mere sexual objects and not people, spreading this belief widely throughout society.

It's worth noting I think that many porn stars actually make more money doing that than doing other menial, shitty jobs. The shame and stigma that is attached to it is also similar to the shame that used to be attached to people getting into an acting career.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Mewshuji
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I am now imagining yandere Motochika and laughing.

And no, I'm sorry, it wasn't dear. >_>; Like, really. There's just as much gay-baiting in SW4 as in 2&3, but I guarantee if you asked Koinuma he'd say they're just friends.

I'm not saying they're NOT in love or that you can't ship it, but canonically speaking, they're not.
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dancingswan
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Koshosho is the truest feminist icon, bow down to the queen.
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Eni
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dancingswan
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:44 pm
Koshosho is the truest feminist icon, bow down to the queen.
I agree with this feminist icon.
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Wild Lion
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Why can't people just be moderate? It's always one extreme or the other, and neither are any good.
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Randy
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Wild Lion
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:46 pm
Why can't people just be moderate? It's always one extreme or the other, and neither are any good.
this guy speaks some sense
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Rance
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Wild Lion
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:46 pm
Why can't people just be moderate? It's always one extreme or the other, and neither are any good.
Moderation is generally the best. If you take something in excess, it almost always is soured.
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Eni
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Moderation? Bull ****.

Pick a side or die.
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Nuriko
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I can go more in depth into how Mitsunari makes Ieyasu a hypocrite Brother if that's too confusing for you
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Rance
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:43 pm
Scottie
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:36 pm
Rance
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:30 pm
Feminism has branched out in so many different directions that characterizing it as "bad" is really narrow-minded. You're basically looking at a few feminists whose beliefs you disagree with and using them to justify poo-pooing the entire movement. That's retarded.
but like even most of the real awful hardcore feminazi haters hold a lot of the prinicpal beliefs of feminism, so this line of thinking isnt exactly relvant, certainly not in this discussion because no one is disgreeing with women's rights, I'm disagreeing with a lot of modern feminism, thats all.

I'm not interested in faulty research, confirmation bias and ultimatums
The difference here, though, is that you qualified your disagreement rather than shitting on the entire ideal. You don't disagree with the entire movement, only with some of the modern offshoots of it. I still think that you're treating "modern feminism" unfairly since it's so broad and there are so many disparate and often conflicting viewpoints within it, though.

Did you know, for instance, that there are both pro-porn and anti-porn feminists? The pro-porn feminists argue that women's sexuality and the body has been liberated. Way back in the day, women had to cover up their sexuality much more and there was a big fight against that and against oppressive forces within society that were restricting women (i.e. religion). Anti-porn feminists, however, believe that porn is objectifying and treats women as mere sexual objects and not people, spreading this belief widely throughout society.

It's worth noting I think that many porn stars actually make more money doing that than doing other menial, shitty jobs. The shame and stigma that is attached to it is also similar to the shame that used to be attached to people getting into an acting career.
Not to be rude but I feel you are treating me as though I am far more ignorant on this topic than I am in actuality. I've been very involved with pro-sex feminism before, I'm well aware of it.

I'll leave it at this, I think labels are incredibly stupid and damaging to their own causes, I think in particular, most labels related to feminism are so far gone that theyre not even worth acknowledging, or maybe more accurately, using.
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And with THAT there is officially TWO people in the lounge I legitimately dislike x.x
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I generally like to be moderate but sometimes one extreme end gets too popular so I'm forced to pick the side I like more out of fear of being confused for the other side.
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Mewshuji
Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:51 pm
I generally like to be moderate but sometimes one extreme end gets too popular so I'm forced to pick the side I like more out of fear of being confused for the other side.
which is very much a huge fault of today, a lot of people get swept up into nasty things out of our need for an "us or them" mentality in almost everything, and its just damaging for all sides and helps no one.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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I'll also note technically Motochika and Koshosho aren't a couple either. They kinda vaguely have sexual tension. But that's it.
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8000 posts. Now, seriously, on to get Ocelot some animals.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Also if you mean me DG, just... lol what.
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Nuriko
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Not you Mew Sakura and Tbh prostitution being illegal makes absolutely no sense to me,for Centuries the only job a woman could HAVE was prostitution because women were beneath men and beneath having a job that is typically for men. Yet having sex for money NOW is a crime? I just don't get it especially with murder I mean abortion being legal. If it's OUR bodies then it's OUR bodies you can't have it both ways
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Motochika and Koshosho's relationship rubs off as a rivalry turned friendship with flirty bits. But the flirty bits are just Koshosho being Koshosho.
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I prefer Koshosho's cute friendship with Gracia anyway.
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Koshosho has flirty bits with everyone, she's like Okuni in that way.

Besides, Kosho is too good for Motochika anyway
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Eni
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If anything Motochika just seems like someone who inspired Koshosho and that's it.
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Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:48 pm
I can go more in depth into how Mitsunari makes Ieyasu a hypocrite Brother if that's too confusing for you
Historically, Mitsunari was a sucker.

But Ieyasu is great both in history and SW, I think.
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Eni
Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:00 pm
If anything Motochika just seems like someone who inspired Koshosho and that's it.
Ding ding ding we have a winner.

I agree with the rest though.

Kitsuno in Empires makes me happy. Hopefully her and Ran join up together and fight Nouhime. :hehe: jk
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Don't you mean Motochika is too good for Koshosho? If so I agree with you completely
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