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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,970,550 Views)
Nuriko
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Mitsunari isn't a hypocrite x.x
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dancingswan
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English is the ugliest of them all, lbh.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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what exactly did Ieyasu do that was so hypocritical? He was loyal to both Nobunaga and Hideyoshi till the end their lives. He never pledged allegiance to Mitsunari, Mitsunari never pledged allegiance to Ieyasu. Both of them did exactly the same thing...
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Dynasty Girl
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:23 pm
Mitsunari isn't a hypocrite x.x
lol sure

zooey they chanel is anything but superior.
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Nuriko
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Honda may I explain please without getting into trouble?
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Angelic Linca
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If only I had SW:Katana. I feel ashamed.
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Mr. Kamikaze
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:23 pm
what exactly did Ieyasu do that was so hypocritical? He was loyal to both Nobunaga and Hideyoshi till the end their lives. He never pledged allegiance to Mitsunari, Mitsunari never pledged allegiance to Ieyasu. Both of them did exactly the same thing...
mitsunari DID pledge allegiance to hideyoshi then once he dies tries to take power for himself that a little hypocritical to me but what do i know :kemari:
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ChibiGingi
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Oh boy, this topic again.

Metal Gear time! *fultons self to safety*
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AstralTempest
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Plus I took french in high school...so uhhh?

OMM: Hmmm may do some digital scrapbooking via photoshop :3
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Eni
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dancingswan
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:23 pm
English is the ugliest of them all, lbh.
English ain't even a romance language. :smugracia:
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Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:24 pm
Honda may I explain please without getting into trouble?
Sure.

Not sure it's going to make much of a difference, but sure.
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Scottie
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:24 pm
Mr. Kamikaze
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:23 pm
what exactly did Ieyasu do that was so hypocritical? He was loyal to both Nobunaga and Hideyoshi till the end their lives. He never pledged allegiance to Mitsunari, Mitsunari never pledged allegiance to Ieyasu. Both of them did exactly the same thing...
mitsunari DID pledge allegiance to hideyoshi then once he dies tries to take power for himself that a little hypocritical to me but what do i know :kemari:
Mitsunari had to kidnap people's families and force them to come to his party :tora:

RIP Gracia
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Mr. Kamikaze
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:28 pm
Scottie
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:24 pm
Mr. Kamikaze
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:23 pm
what exactly did Ieyasu do that was so hypocritical? He was loyal to both Nobunaga and Hideyoshi till the end their lives. He never pledged allegiance to Mitsunari, Mitsunari never pledged allegiance to Ieyasu. Both of them did exactly the same thing...
mitsunari DID pledge allegiance to hideyoshi then once he dies tries to take power for himself that a little hypocritical to me but what do i know :kemari:
Mitsunari had to kidnap people's families and force them to come to his party :tora:

RIP Gracia
kidnap and then murder when people were like "dude wtf why"

mitsunari is just such a coniving pile of garbage historically its just so unbearable that people defend him

just for the record i do actually like SW mitsunari hes intentionally awful and it works alright sometimes but other times it falls really flat and its so cliche and bad i jsut wish they went way more morally grey with him than they do
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Nuriko
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Okay thanks Honda,yall Say Ieyasu was loyal to Hideyoshi THEREIN LIES HOW HE'S A HYPOCRITE,Hideyoshi stated he wanted Hideyori to rule when he became old enough did he not? So how EXACTLY is Ieyasu stepping down in favor of his own son and not Hideyori NOT being a hypocrite if he was supposedly loyal to Hideyoshi?
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Angelic Linca
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Nene sided with the Tokugawa. She's a meanie.
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Eni
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SW4 shows in a couple scenes Hideyoshi's plans of having Ieyasu take charge.
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Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:32 pm
Okay thanks Honda,yall Say Ieyasu was loyal to Hideyoshi THEREIN LIES HOW HE'S A HYPOCRITE,Hideyoshi stated he wanted Hideyori to rule when he became old enough did he not? So how EXACTLY is Ieyasu stepping down in favor of his own son and not Hideyori NOT being a hypocrite if he was supposedly loyal to Hideyoshi?
Ieyasu was never loyal to hideyoshi, Ieyasu beat him pretty badly at komaki, they had a a truce then hideyoshi later gave Ieyasu the kanto region to appease him cause he knew ieyasu was too powerful to oppose, so they had a sort of system down, it was unstable but it worked. Hideyoshi fucked up his own succession by literally killing those who COULD tkae his place leaving an infant in his place

Mitsunari was not loyal to this 2 year old. He and Chacha were in total control, it was not loyalty. It was a powertrip to them.

so, i dont agree, at all.
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Nuriko
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Check and Mate and yall can't say Mitsunari would have done the same we don't KNOW what Mitsunari would or wouldn't have done because Ieyasu had him killed,ANOTHER way he's a hypocrite or at least a vindictive ass
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ChibiGingi
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Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:32 pm
Nene sided with the Tokugawa. She's a meanie.
Nene knew something we didn't, clearly.
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Eni
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Or you can ignore what I said so you can justify your irrational hatred.

Sure.
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Eni
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:34 pm
SW4 shows in a couple scenes Hideyoshi's plans of having Ieyasu take charge.
Yea, this is what I recall.

I believe there's that scene where Hideyoshi is wading into a river and looks back at Ieyasu and says something that pretty much indicated he knew Ieyasu would have to take power once the monkey kicked the bucket.
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Dynasty Girl
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:36 pm
Check and Mate and yall can't say Mitsunari would have done the same we don't KNOW what Mitsunari would or wouldn't have done because Ieyasu had him killed,ANOTHER way he's a hypocrite or at least a vindictive ass
he already did do the same, he took control when he had the chance too. He manipulated the senile and dying hideyoshi to further his own gains, he was manipulative and dishonest.
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Tue Nov 3, 2015 10:19 pm
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OMG hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng lmao
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Angelic Linca
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Hideaki knew Mitsunari wasn't a good person. Shame an actual relative of Hideyori, and by extension Hideyoshi, chose to side with Ieyasu.
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Eni
Tue Nov 3, 2015 11:37 pm
Or you can ignore what I said so you can justify your irrational hatred.

Sure.
Selective reading. A common affliction these days.
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