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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,969,148 Views)
Katatonia
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dancingswan
Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:53 pm
YOUR DRAGON NAME

last two letters of your first name
middle two letters of your last name
first two letters of your mother’s name
last letter of your father’s name

Uneejin or Unlejin. My last name is three letters.

I'm disappointed
Kionans

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who wants to come with me and rescue my brother from his job? We're getting a huge snowstorm and he still has to go in to work :kurokan:
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:55 am
I think we might just have entirely different philosophies then. To me it seems like media, including fiction, the internet, anything transmitted in a fashion other than actual human interaction, has ways of changing the way people think. Obviously, fiction and reality are two different things. What's okay in one might not be okay in the other- and yeah, it goes both ways. I'm just saying they very much do influence each other. Media isn't created in a vaccuum.

I'm also not saying this one individual scene would like cause a whole lot of people to go out and be ***** to lesbians. I'm saying it could add to that mindset. It's the same reason a lot of people think rape jokes aren't alright to make. It's lots of small, little perceived voices backing up a person's beliefs rather than one large voice. I understand if you don't quite agree with or follow that line of reasoning however. It took me a bit to come to this way of believing myself.
Anyway. I'm tired.

This was a good conversation. I apologize I started off being so inflammatory.

... I don't apologize for apologizing, however. :P Nyeh heh heh.
I don't think our lines of thinking are as antithetical as you think. I do agree with you that the media can alter people's mindsets in subtle ways. In mass quantities it can be even more effective. I've written essays on this subject before with regard to female stereotypes in commercials from the 1950s on. Dunno if you've ever read Jean Kilbourne but her work touches upon that subject a lot.

My philosophy is slightly more nuanced than your's however, in my opinion. From my perspective, it's not so much that an individual case of a stereotype can radically alter opinions, but it's more like media in the gestalt. When you look at media as a whole, you can identify trends which are both a reflection of society and in turn reflect back onto society. I also differentiate between different kinds of media because I think the differentiation is important. A set of advertisements, movies or tv shows alter thinking more than a video game that clearly takes place in a fantasy world divorced from the real one. And personally I don't think the most recent Fire Emblem would in any way be harmful to LBG, even if those scenes were kept in. If anything, I think the overall decisions the game made (for example to have a couple actually gay relations) would contribute to a more positive outlook.

I also kind of like controversial aspects in games like this, because I think creativity is overly stifled when somebody sticks to a rigidly positive script. The world ain't roses and peaches, and sometimes a good dose of bigotry, violence, suffering, degenerate sexual fetishes and tragedy can really improve a plot.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:11 pm
dancingswan
Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:53 pm
YOUR DRAGON NAME

last two letters of your first name
middle two letters of your last name
first two letters of your mother’s name
last letter of your father’s name
Errbben

wat :thinking:
:hehe:

Nyhmkey

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went and preordered myself two NEW 3DS. I'm so spoiled
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last two letters of your first name
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Anal Len

I'm not making this up. Guess I'm a Bad Dragon.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:59 pm
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Is Cowboy Bebop really that great?
Is the sky blue? Is grass green?
It's coming.
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working on Cao Liang's request. The sig is really pretty :D
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working on Cao Liang's request. The sig is really pretty :D
Meow ^_^ :heart: :wub:
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dancingswan
Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:53 pm
YOUR DRAGON NAME

last two letters of your first name
middle two letters of your last name
first two letters of your mother’s name
last letter of your father’s name

Uneejin or Unlejin. My last name is three letters.

I'm disappointed
Ceolkae

??
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I, the great Anal Len, declare myself king of the dragons.
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Font placement is such a witch
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:59 am
I, the great Anal Len, declare myself king of the dragons.
My Errbben is a little too derpy to oppose :| ... so :bowdown:
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:nene:
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dancingswan
Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:53 pm
YOUR DRAGON NAME

last two letters of your first name
middle two letters of your last name
first two letters of your mother’s name
last letter of your father’s name

Uneejin or Unlejin. My last name is three letters.

I'm disappointed
Ceolkae

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Envisir

or

Enevsir

I dont have two middle letters of my last name...so it could go either way.
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Evil Naotora is definitely more liked than Apologetic Mushroom. :P

OMM: [I guess] Hime-Senpai's right. Super Training is easy, but idk how to get access to the Secret Super Training part. Or how much time will it take.

P.S. Female Wobuffet disturbs me. Female Doduo looks cuter with long brown necks.
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:25 pm
I don't think our lines of thinking are as antithetical as you think. I do agree with you that the media can alter people's mindsets in subtle ways. In mass quantities it can be even more effective. I've written essays on this subject before with regard to female stereotypes in commercials from the 1950s on. Dunno if you've ever read Jean Kilbourne but her work touches upon that subject a lot.

My philosophy is slightly more nuanced than your's however, in my opinion. From my perspective, it's not so much that an individual case of a stereotype can radically alter opinions, but it's more like media in the gestalt. When you look at media as a whole, you can identify trends which are both a reflection of society and in turn reflect back onto society. I also differentiate between different kinds of media because I think the differentiation is important. A set of advertisements, movies or tv shows alter thinking more than a video game that clearly takes place in a fantasy world divorced from the real one. And personally I don't think the most recent Fire Emblem would in any way be harmful to LBG, even if those scenes were kept in. If anything, I think the overall decisions the game made (for example to have a couple actually gay relations) would contribute to a more positive outlook.

I also kind of like controversial aspects in games like this, because I think creativity is overly stifled when somebody sticks to a rigidly positive script. The world ain't roses and peaches, and sometimes a good dose of bigotry, violence, suffering, degenerate sexual fetishes and tragedy can really improve a plot.
I haven't read any of her stuff but I looked her up, seems legit. I'll definitely look into it.

I guess then it's more we disagree on the impact of video games then. I guess that makes sense. I do agree there are opposite positive aspects in the particular game though, yeah.

I don't think controversial or negative things happening in a game is a bad thing. Just as long as it isn't treated as a positive in a game with a more grounded tone, or the game deliberately points out how ridiculous everything is. It's when it glorifies it, like in edgelord games like Hatred, that I dislike it.

I do agree though that the tone/setting of a game can somewhat alter how much it influences one's thinking. I definitely think no one would play Mario for years and decide they want start wanting to jump on turtles, for instance. I just feel like Fire Emblem is character driven enough that, even though it is a fantasy world, it could have an influence. But I can understand where we'd disagree on that.
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snowing :D
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Haven't been here since January 7th.

I'm druk and looking to have some fun. Whose with me?
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Hi Druk, I'm Mewshuji.
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You changed your naem. ou can't fool me, Mew kat. Kewtwo. Mewtow. Mewtwo. There. I got it.
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How the **** do you even say that?
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