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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,968,692 Views)
Katatonia
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Industrial night. I miss Nocturne :sad:
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Wed Mar 2, 2016 12:08 am
A disappointing response in that it is easily refuted by people who wish the government to have the right to encroach on freedoms. It isn't about protecting the rights of fictional women. It's about preventing the mindset that leads to violence towards women to propagate.

Let's not pretend that media is innocent in the corruption of minds. There's a reason the ad industry exists in the first place. I mean if you can prove that the ad industry doesn't work at all, then maybe you can start saying that no, media doesn't effect people's mindsets.

Now I'm not for a ban. I'm all for artistic freedom. But a lot of people in the comments seem to act like there's nothing harmful about works that depict rape or sexual violence in a positive light and that people who criticize such works as harmful should be silent. That's troubling to me. It's okay if you enjoy it (I myself enjoy Senran Kagura, which has Katsuragi trying to grope everything that moves), but that so many people act like it isn't a bad thing is ... I don't know. It makes me lose faith in humanity.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLt0qDoAfBQ

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tmma1869
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Apparently Google is trying hard to make "McDerpaderp" relate to "Mignogna" as to probably not piss Vic off :P
Uesugi Kenshin
Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:38 am
LittleDragonZ
Wed Mar 2, 2016 12:08 am
A disappointing response in that it is easily refuted by people who wish the government to have the right to encroach on freedoms. It isn't about protecting the rights of fictional women. It's about preventing the mindset that leads to violence towards women to propagate.

Let's not pretend that media is innocent in the corruption of minds. There's a reason the ad industry exists in the first place. I mean if you can prove that the ad industry doesn't work at all, then maybe you can start saying that no, media doesn't effect people's mindsets.

Now I'm not for a ban. I'm all for artistic freedom. But a lot of people in the comments seem to act like there's nothing harmful about works that depict rape or sexual violence in a positive light and that people who criticize such works as harmful should be silent. That's troubling to me. It's okay if you enjoy it (I myself enjoy Senran Kagura, which has Katsuragi trying to grope everything that moves), but that so many people act like it isn't a bad thing is ... I don't know. It makes me lose faith in humanity. Makes me think the misogynists and rapists are right.
Worship of Japan for anti-censorship shiz to differentiate fiction and reality is ridiculous. So many "Ooooh, burn." "UN sucks and it must be banned forever" and "Only Japanese have common sense nowadays therefore Japanese made me have faith in humanity again" stuff like they are embracing their inner weeaboo side :o
Edited by tmma1869, Wed Mar 2, 2016 3:46 am.
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UpInMahBubble
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So while America was bigging up Leo to win an Oscar the past 20 years you're telling me Jackie Chan has never won an Oscar let alone been nominated for one???

@ america fix this
EXID's new song is actually a Dasoni comeback :kasugasm: :kasugasm: :kasugasm:
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I don't think any of Jackie Chan's films are Oscar worthy TBH :lol: highly entertaining though :P
As for censorship in Japan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan

http://transformativeworks.org/news/censorship-problems-faced-anime-and-manga-fans

Abe's government is also very conservative and likely to be pro-censorship in general :ph43r: :kurokan:
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Like I said I'm not pro-censorship. I'm all for being against a ban of "questionable materials" if no one was harmed in their production. But like, "hurr, it's not real" such a shitty argument. This is NOT an attempt to "defend fictional women while ignoring real women". It's an attempt to uproot the problem of men thinking they are owed women's bodies and should have power over them at it's source, or one of its sources. So if this person is going to try to rebut, they should try to recognize why the law is being suggested in the first place.
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Eni
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Estival Versus in 2 weeks. :eeek:
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tmma1869
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Well, you have a point.

ACK! Eni ninja'd me, I meant to respond to Mew's post!
Edited by tmma1869, Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:00 am.
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Eni
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Idk I think I made a great point.
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MeowMeow
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I wasn't rebutting you Mew, I was just posting about censorship in Japan, in general :ph43r: including Manga, there was some ordinance in Tokyo putting a bunch of restrictions on Manga by that crusty old motherf***er Ishihara Shintaro :realangry: :kurokan: and the Manga community went WILD. Mind you, this was Japan, so the protests themselves were very mild mannered, but Japan is not so "free" as American weeaboos think :realangry: . Seriously, you can't use your phone on the train there, those who throw the wrong garbage into the wrong can should instantly commit seppuku :lol: and accidentally sneezing in public will earn you the stares of death. :realangry:

I understand what you're saying about the effects of media, Mew, but you sound like American preachers or something about how "them tentacle rape cartoons are corruptin' our youngin's " :lol: :hug:
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But Mew was ranting about Joe's link regarding fictional women, sexual violence and shiz :o
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Katatonia
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Bit into my inner lip while eating pizza. That wasn't tomato sauce on my plate :kurokan:
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YEAH BABY ;)
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Katatonia
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:04 am
Bit into my inner lip while eating pizza. That wasn't tomato sauce on my plate :kurokan:
Ow! :crazy:

@Trina

I know, just ranting about weeaboos again :lol:
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Ryō Genken
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It's not as if Male characters are being objectified too..
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Uesugi Kenshin
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I wasn't talking to you Cao, the person I'm talking about is Kumiko Yamada. If it wasn't clear. :lol:

And it's not really the same thing. Criticism is not meant solely to change work, but to change minds. Pastors preaching stuff like that are flat out condemning it and saying it shouldn't exist. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist. I'm saying people, when consuming it need to be responsible, and we need to make sure people who do consume it know that it's not okay to do those sorts of things in real life.
Ryō Genken
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:06 am
It's not as if Male characters are being objectified too..
They are. It's less of a problem as, let's face it, it's a fairly new idea, so many women don't treat men poorly even when they consume media that objectifies them, as it isn't an ingrained cultural idea to objectify men sexually (well besides effeminate men in certain cultures, but on the whole in most cultures, men just weren't sexualized).

Or well, men as sexual objects. Men have been seen as disposable pawns since the dawn of warfare....
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:10 am.
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tmma1869
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Yay, I've been ninja'd. Again. By Cow this time. And I was trying to reach out to Eni.

Geez. Human Nezha is cute. I swear Human Nezha's more liked than Cyborg Nezha (just because Cyborg Nezha beat L Bu so easily). Yet he doesn't seem to get as much fan art regardless of where site I go.
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Eni
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I don't give a crap about objectifying fictional women, I already made that clear long ago.
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People don't like Cyborg Nezha cause he's awful, has nothing to do with Lu Bu :sunday:
I objectify fictional women cause I can't do it to real women.
Edited by Mr. Kamikaze, Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:12 am.
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Mr. Kamikaze
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:11 am
People don't like Cyborg Nezha cause he's awful, has nothing to do with Lu Bu :sunday:
But some people are definitely picking on him for it. I remembered how harassed I was before Nezha was given a human form. Simply for liking Cyborg Nezha.

But luckily for me not all L Bu fans are petty.

But now I actually like his human self more, the hate for him has died down...
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Eni
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I like Cyborg Nezha moveset.
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Eni
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:10 am
I don't give a crap about objectifying fictional women, I already made that clear long ago.
I only take issue with it because it evidently leads to objectifying real women. Otherwise I really wouldn't care. I love pretty anime babes, I can understand why people would just like them aesthetically rather than for all of them.
Mr. Kamikaze
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:11 am
I objectify fictional women cause I can't do it to real women.
I wish more people had this mindset. Sadly too many think they can objectify real women too...

Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:53 am.
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I want new music to listen to but spotify is **** and doesn't work half the time for me anymore.
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YEAH BABY ;)
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Mr. Kamikaze
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:11 am
I objectify fictional women cause I can't do it to real women.
:goodpost: :hey:

If its fictional, :lewd: away! :hehe:
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Uesugi Kenshin
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:16 am
Eni
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:10 am
I don't give a crap about objectifying fictional women, I already made that clear long ago.
I only take issue with it because it evidently leads to objectifying real women. Otherwise I really wouldn't care. I love pretty anime babes.
Mr. Kamikaze
Wed Mar 2, 2016 4:11 am
I objectify fictional women cause I can't do it to real women.
I wish more people had this mindset. Sadly too many think they can objectify real women too...

Well for starter, Rabid Fujoshi objectifies real life people and pairs them even when they said they are straight.
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