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No offense to American, but in my place, American's Governmetn was always portrayed as warmonger and expansionist in the end. Both Republican & Democrats are the same, just differing in their practice regarding international relationship. Republican is more into having war directly..but Democrats are more hidden, covert type of expansionism. It's mainly influencing other country's head of state so that it benefits American more than other country.


I've realized something over the years: They don't have a choice.

During the Great Depression, FDR expanded the government massively for the New Deal. Then in WW2, he expanded the military massively and retooled the American economy into a war economy.

Truman continued FDR's policies, but after WW2 the country did not revert to its pre-war or pre-Depression state. Instead, the military became a tool of the Cold War. The Cold War has ended, but nothing has changed. We face no real existential threat yet our military remains severely bloated. Why?

the United States cannot roll back the government or military without massive destabilization anymore. So it manufactures nonsense threats like Saddam, ISIS, etc. to justify continued use of an increasingly unnecessary military-industrial complex. The corporations involved with either the military, weapons contractors or a variety of other industries (e.g. petroleum) all influence the government to pursue never ending wars because to stop them would be the end of their existence. The government bows to these interests partly because ending wars would force the government to make difficult changes. Millions of people would instantly be unemployed in a large number of industries.

Our military state is a welfare state in disguise. It's an expansion of the welfare state that FDR set up during the New Deal.
Ah eye-opening. No wonder those that anti-American government claims America as conspirator. It's the same regardless of political party, it's just that Republican are more direct and into your face than two-faced democrats.
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now I like watermelon, but that sounds so gross
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Really Rance? Isis Is something our government made up? So all those people who Died from all the Isis attacks,all the Anti-Muslim Attitude that occurred as a result was Fake? I've lost all respect for you
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No offense to American, but in my place, American's Governmetn was always portrayed as warmonger and expansionist in the end. Both Republican & Democrats are the same, just differing in their practice regarding international relationship. Republican is more into having war directly..but Democrats are more hidden, covert type of expansionism. It's mainly influencing other country's head of state so that it benefits American more than other country.


I've realized something over the years: They don't have a choice.

During the Great Depression, FDR expanded the government massively for the New Deal. Then in WW2, he expanded the military massively and retooled the American economy into a war economy.

Truman continued FDR's policies, but after WW2 the country did not revert to its pre-war or pre-Depression state. Instead, the military became a tool of the Cold War. The Cold War has ended, but nothing has changed. We face no real existential threat yet our military remains severely bloated. Why?

the United States cannot roll back the government or military without massive destabilization anymore. So it manufactures nonsense threats like Saddam, ISIS, etc. to justify continued use of an increasingly unnecessary military-industrial complex. The corporations involved with either the military, weapons contractors or a variety of other industries (e.g. petroleum) all influence the government to pursue never ending wars because to stop them would be the end of their existence. The government bows to these interests partly because ending wars would force the government to make difficult changes. Millions of people would instantly be unemployed in a large number of industries.

Our military state is a welfare state in disguise. It's an expansion of the welfare state that FDR set up during the New Deal.
Ah eye-opening. No wonder those that anti-American government claims America as conspirator. It's the same regardless of political party, it's just that Republican are more direct and into your face than two-faced democrats.
In addition..no wonder there are rumors that America DOESN'T want Indonesia and any other under developed countries to grow up. It IS their goal to stop them from growing. If they are "DEVELOPED" it's not easy to stir up trouble for these weak countries.
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Really Rance? Isis Is something our government made up? So all those people who Died from all the Isis attacks,all the Anti-Muslim Attitude that occurred as a result was Fake? I've lost all respect for you
ISIS is not "made up." They do exist. But the idea that they are a threat or, especially, an existential threat, is fake. ISIS is a weak, failed state that was created in the power vacuum of conflict in Iraq and Syria. 99% of the people ISIS has killed are located within that region or nearby.

Most of the people killed in the West were killed by lone wolf fundamentalist Muslims inspired by ISIS, not by ISIS itself.

Compared to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, ISIS is a complete joke. It's been hyped up as some kind of massive, apocalyptic threat by a jaundiced military-industrial complex anxious to retain government favors.

You're more likely to drown in a bathtub than die to a terrorist attack if you live in the United States.
Edited by Rance, Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:23 pm.
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Really Rance? Isis Is something our government made up? So all those people who Died from all the Isis attacks,all the Anti-Muslim Attitude that occurred as a result was Fake? I've lost all respect for you
ISIS is not "made up." They do exist. But the idea that they are a threat or, especially, an existential threat, is fake. ISIS is a weak, failed state that was created in the power vacuum of conflict in Iraq and Syria. 99% of the people ISIS has killed are located within that region or nearby.

Most of the people killed in the West were killed by lone wolf fundamentalist Muslims inspired by ISIS, not by ISIS itself.

Compared to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, ISIS is a complete joke. It's been hyped up as some kind of massive, apocalyptic threat by a jaundiced military-industrial complex anxious to retain government favors.

You're more likely to drown in a bathtub than die to a terrorist attack if you live in the United States.
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If anything the US army are a bigger threat
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Really Rance? Isis Is something our government made up? So all those people who Died from all the Isis attacks,all the Anti-Muslim Attitude that occurred as a result was Fake? I've lost all respect for you
ISIS is not "made up." They do exist. But the idea that they are a threat or, especially, an existential threat, is fake. ISIS is a weak, failed state that was created in the power vacuum of conflict in Iraq and Syria. 99% of the people ISIS has killed are located within that region or nearby.

Most of the people killed in the West were killed by lone wolf fundamentalist Muslims inspired by ISIS, not by ISIS itself.

Compared to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, ISIS is a complete joke. It's been hyped up as some kind of massive, apocalyptic threat by a jaundiced military-industrial complex anxious to retain government favors.

You're more likely to drown in a bathtub than die to a terrorist attack if you live in the United States.
Now that you brought ISIS, i just realize the same **** between ISIS-Muslim Country(Especially Saudi Arabia) and current American. Saudi Arabia is more covert/hidden/manipulative like Democrat, but ISIS is more direct like Republican. They're still based on one ideology though, it's just how they expand their barbaric ideology.
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ISIS is a joke and no other country even comes close to our military. Yet we have to constantly reassure ourselves of the need to retain such a bloated military because if were to make cuts, it would be massively destabilizing for the reasons I described earlier.
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If anything the US army are a bigger threat
Why? We aren't Warmongers. We have a large military to protect ourselves from Outside threats not to attack others. As a Whole America has a "you leave us alone we will leave you alone" attitude
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But they're always at war with some country :confused:
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But they're always at war with some country :confused:
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If anything the US army are a bigger threat
Why? We aren't Warmongers. We have a large military to protect ourselves from Outside threats not to attack others. As a Whole America has a "you leave us alone we will leave you alone" attitude
Pay closer attention. Iraq did nothing to us on either occasion, yet we attacked them twice. The first time it was because they invaded Kuwait. The second time it was because the U.S. did not want to give Iraq more time to comply with U.N. weapon inspectors, even though every other country except Britain wanted to give Iraq more time. It turned out they had no major WMDs anyways, nor did they threaten us in any way.

Libya did nothing to us yet we intervened in the civil war there. Syria did nothing to us yet we're there to oust Assad. Yemen did nothing to us yet we're there at the behest of Saudi Arabia. We're in Somalia now too. The CIA has also directed covert coups against too many African and Middle Eastern countries to count, including Ghana, Congo, Iraq and Iran.

Look at all the countries we have invaded or gotten involved in within the last 20-30 years. Our record of aggression might surprise you.
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If anything the US army are a bigger threat
Why? We aren't Warmongers. We have a large military to protect ourselves from Outside threats not to attack others. As a Whole America has a "you leave us alone we will leave you alone" attitude
Tell that to Iraq... or Vietnam.... or Libya.... etc
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If anything the US army are a bigger threat
Why? We aren't Warmongers. We have a large military to protect ourselves from Outside threats not to attack others. As a Whole America has a "you leave us alone we will leave you alone" attitude
Pay closer attention. Iraq did nothing to us on either occasion, yet we attacked them twice. The first time it was because they invaded Kuwait. The second time it was because the U.S. did not want to give Iraq more time to comply with U.N. weapon inspectors, even though every other country except Britain wanted to give Iraq more time. It turned out they had no major WMDs anyways, nor did they threaten us in any way.

Libya did nothing to us yet we intervened in the civil war there. Syria did nothing to us yet we're there to oust Assad. Yemen did nothing to us yet we're there at the behest of Saudi Arabia. We're in Somalia now too. The CIA has also directed covert coups against too many African and Middle Eastern countries to count, including Ghana, Congo, Iraq and Iran.
How's Preventing Civil War and Saving lives BAD? We should just LET them kill each other when we can Stop it? Turning a blind eye to Suffering is the Same as directly causing it
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If anything the US army are a bigger threat
Why? We aren't Warmongers. We have a large military to protect ourselves from Outside threats not to attack others. As a Whole America has a "you leave us alone we will leave you alone" attitude
Pay closer attention. Iraq did nothing to us on either occasion, yet we attacked them twice. The first time it was because they invaded Kuwait. The second time it was because the U.S. did not want to give Iraq more time to comply with U.N. weapon inspectors, even though every other country except Britain wanted to give Iraq more time. It turned out they had no major WMDs anyways, nor did they threaten us in any way.

Libya did nothing to us yet we intervened in the civil war there. Syria did nothing to us yet we're there to oust Assad. Yemen did nothing to us yet we're there at the behest of Saudi Arabia. We're in Somalia now too. The CIA has also directed covert coups against too many African and Middle Eastern countries to count, including Ghana, Congo, Iraq and Iran.
They also have a tendency to play both sides as well. Manipulating each faction into forming a war with each other. They just use this opportunity every time so that their war business sells. They don't care which sides win(clarification) as long as it sells, it can work either way.
I don't want to meddle with someone else household problem. Why should i meddle with someone else private problem?
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You're American yourself right Rance? I'd rather have a Strong Military as a Warning to leave us alone Rather than Demolishing our Military and Leaving ourselves Vulnerable. It's better to be at the Top of the Food chain than at the bottom in my opinon
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How's Preventing Civil War and Saving lives BAD? We should just LET them kill each other when we can Stop it? Turning a blind eye to Suffering is the Same as directly causing it


-We didn't prevent civil war.

-In most cases we exacerbated civil war or intervened on one side or another.

-We weren't in these countries for peacekeeping.

-Even if we were in these countries for peacekeeping (which is false), this is still different from your claim before that "we only use our military to protect ourselves."

-Some of our interventions have nothing to do with civil war. Iraq for instance.

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You're American yourself right Rance? I'd rather have a Strong Military as a Warning to leave us alone Rather than Demolishing our Military and Leaving ourselves Vulnerable. It's better to be at the Top of the Food chain than at the bottom in my opinon


Yes but look at the numbers. There's a difference between being at the top and spending exponentially more than the next 10 countries combined. We're not just at the top. We've created a military welfare state which requires a constant drain of resources to maintain and constant intervention to justify.
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Now I'm opting out of this Conversation I'm getting pissed and I don't want to get in trouble so I'm leaving it at this : our large Military keeps us Safe. It keeps outside nations from being Hostile because With our large military it wouldn't Bode well to try and attack us. The way I see it is a Safety net,a rather LARGE safety net but still a safety net
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