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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,963,043 Views)
Mr. Kamikaze
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its a dumb game. save your money.
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Magna Lion
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This guy is giving me some bad covfefe.
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ChibiGingi
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But there's big boobed chicks on it.

It can't be that bad...

Edit: Oh, minimum wage is going up in this state to a whoppin' $8. Which means... cost of living gonna skyrocket. :sakichi:
Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:22 am.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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God I'm looking up old Capcom US statements about Basara's "Failure" in the west to prove to someone that they shouldn't expect SB4 to come out over here.... and I just get ****ing furious.

They claim they "tried", but the market just wasn't interested. Bullshit. They "tried" hard enough for a niche title. And it sold well as a niche title. 100k is the numbers given by sources other than them, though they give 60k. And you know what? That's ****ing damn good sales for a niche title. They cannot expect each and every game to be a multi-million seller, unless they pump out multi-million dollar marketing campaigns.

The localization was good, or well, at least decent- admittedly some of the phrases seemed to try way way too hard to remain faithful to the original script and came off as even stupider than they should've (in a "this is unprofessional" stupid way rather than "that's ****ing awesome/cute" stupid way that people love SB for). But the marketing was abysmal. Whoever was behind it even failed to prep KobaP for one of his discussions about the game, making it seem like there were zero western fans prior to this "attempt", and the poor guy was confused when someone asked about Hisahide ("What? But he's not in any games we put out over there!" or something).
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:45 am.
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Eni
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i wish they localized them id love to play a basara game without translation guides
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Mr. Kamikaze
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ChibiGingi
Thu Jun 1, 2017 5:20 am
But there's big boobed chicks on it.

It can't be that bad...
I do like boobs.

maybe its fun.

you've convinced me. Buy it now.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Okay I know Eni was kidding with the flop thing but like... Okay.

60k copies x 40 dollar MSRP =
2.4 mil dollars sales

Assume like most games, the game shop buys it for about ten dollars less of the MSRP. So 30 bucks go to Capcom.

So instead it's
60k copies x 30 dollar to retailer sale =
1.8 mil dollars sales. Obviously that alone is not raw profit. You have other fees to consider! Such as....

Localization fees. Voice acting, is typically about 500 dollars an hour. There's I want to say maybe 10 hours of voice acting in Samurai Heroes, tops? But let's assume that they did several takes for the characters, PC and NPC alike. Average maybe 3 hours worth of recording to be generous per VA, given some likely did much more while others did much less (nameless mooks for instance). So, 46 x 3 x 500 = 69,000 for voiceover. Ideally they'd give even more to it, but let's be realistic, they ****ing didn't. Then the localization for the script and menus, maybe, 20,000 for that team. Then whatever debugging needs to be done after changing all the text, another 20,000.

Comes out to 109,000 dollars. Now this means, in order for them to NOT have made a profit, they would've needed to put 1.69 million dollars into the approval process by ESRB, Sony and Nintendo; into marketing; and into production of the discs. Which you know damn well they didn't.

So they DID make a profit off of it. Still wasn't worth the effort to them, because Capcom is concerned with excess and nothing more. :itsuki:
Like I'll buy the stuff anime localizers say about a lot of anime not being worth dubbing due to like only selling 2000 copies. That makes sense.

But a game selling 60,000 (more likely 100,000)? No. No no. I just refuse to believe that it's not "worth it". Anything even slightly profitable ought to be worth it to a business.

But nah. Guess microtransactions and DLC is the way to go rather than actually putting more variety out on the market. Damn hacks.
Like how much does Dynasty Warriors sell? I can't imagine it's much more than 100,000 stateside. If TK, which while not a super niche company is still not huge in the west, can afford to keep putting DW out, Capcom with all its money can certainly afford Basara.
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:05 am.
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ChibiGingi
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I worked at Gamestop during when Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes was in production and being localized, and I can tell you, we got jack and **** as far as advertising goes. I had to do a lot of pushing for the product myself, but there's only so much a single employee can do, especially when the consumer just wants you to shut up and give them their game.

Basara's 'failure' in the West is Capcom's fault. Then again, that was when Capcom thought it'd be a good idea to use a minigun to shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity, so... dark times.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Yeah, Chibi, I hear that from a lot of GS employees around that time. Some didn't even get the game in stock until like 3 weeks later? Golly.

And to be fair, Capcom seems to still be trying to shoot themselves in the foot these days. At least they make some good games, but I mean.... *stares at SFV at launch, shudders*
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ChibiGingi
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Oh... I was hoping Capcom's gotten better about that... I wouldn't know- I've more or less swore them off at their past shenanigans and surprisingly been holding onto that for the last year or two.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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I mean fair enough, I can't blame you. There are definitely certain companies it'd take a lot for me to buy a game from (Ubisoft and Konami come to mind).
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:20 am.
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ChibiGingi
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I'm trying to recall what was the last straw in regards to me swearing off Capcom. I think it was their general manner of addressing those upset about their shady Disc Locked Content fiasco, and them trying to get the fans to turn against the hackers that exposed such content in one of the Marvel vs Capcom games...

Or maybe it was Okami that did it?

I don't know. I don't try and stop others from buying their stuff- clearly if they like it, they like it. But whatever it was that finally set me off, it's done its job, because I've yet to show any interest in a single Capcom game enough to actually want to buy it, barring an Okami HD Remake for the PS4.

That'd do it.

Edit: Now, for as bad as Capcom went, at least they didn't pull a Konami. That... that's just tragic.
Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:29 am.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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awww

we dont even get to play Odawara???

lame!
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ChibiGingi
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Look at all the writing I did today!

*nothing, I've written nothing on my novel*

^w^
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Kiheiji
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suh dudes
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ChibiGingi
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On the plus side, I sketched two things. Mercedes from Odin Sphere and Talim from SC4.

Alas, none shall see these abominations.

Edit: I lied. You guys get to see one of them.

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Rydain
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CHIBI AAAAAAART :wub: *grabby hands*
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Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:38 am
Luthier's probably straight tbh. I'm not a miracle worker.
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Sakura, can you catch monsters in this game or something?

May have to pick it up if so...
Servans

Yes, by defeating Fiends, they'll occasionally drop items called fetishes which can be actualized into ally Servans
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UpInMahBubble
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Basara flopped in the west cause capcom were busy trying to push the 4th iteration of street fighter 4 instead.

Playing the basara games going in blind is fun though
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Mr. Kamikaze
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i've gone exploring on Hokkoku Road so many times and the amoral swordsman never shows up...

trying to complete this task.

none of the other ones were this elusive.


Also I have to find a damn carp for this lady...
....nevermind

right after posting that one showed up.

but i swear I explored this damn map like 10 times <_<
Edited by Mr. Kamikaze, Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:26 pm.
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UpInMahBubble
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You can't catch the carp until chapter 12. Its in another area.

The special units are so annoying to find. The treasure ones even more so
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Eni
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i already 100% the first 2 exploration areas

ill slowly but surely grind on the others
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UpInMahBubble
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I'm just exploring and bears keep showing up.

It tells me that it's in a bad mood but idk what you actually do with them. Do i have to send Kai to wrestle them??
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Mr. Kamikaze
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the chime when you pick up a rare item is grating...my ears hate it.

ever since i got that Orochi Gauntlet item, i pick up rare items non-stop. And the sound is ugh
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UpInMahBubble
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This is my 4th runthrough of the same exploration area and not one connoseuir robber has shown up

Koei why the **** did you make such a stupid system
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