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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,981,114 Views)
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I'd rather buy Dark Souls than Uncharted. Uncharted has been milked enough. Same with Assassin's Creed.
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OMM: Get my transcripts tomorrow
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You definitely have a point about AC, The "Italian" era was it's peak, they can't top it.

Uncharted I think still has life in it, although I want to see it go back to it's UDF roots though; less cliche and very tense. I think 2 and 3 got too cheesy and it took away from the tenseness that 1 had.
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If Assassin's Creed did Ancient Greece or Sengoku, I'd probably get back into the series, but 3 left such a bitter taste in my mouth..
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I stopped after the second one lost interest in Assassins Creed
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Assassin'screed makes me sick
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Katatonia
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If Assassin's Creed did Ancient Greece or Sengoku, I'd probably get back into the series, but 3 left such a bitter taste in my mouth..
I agree and I was most hyped about 3 only to face utter disappointment. They tried too hard to be "conspiracy" oriented. If they take AC out of the whole Miles/Kenway genealogy maybe I'll dive back in. I'm not a fan of "messiah" characters.

The first Uncharted was fantastic but the second one just missed for me.
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If Assassin's Creed did Ancient Greece or Sengoku, I'd probably get back into the series, but 3 left such a bitter taste in my mouth..
Those are good ideas, or as someone else once said the French Revolution would be amazing. AC needs huge cities, something 18th century America and the Caribbean lack.

I'm pissed they ditched China for another colonial setting in 4. Sucks.

3 wasn't terrible to me, I liked Connor and his story. But I don't get why they're trying to turn the series into a pirate theme, it doesn't work.

@Richard - Yeah, I think what made UDF for me was the eerieness of it, it always felt like something really not right was around the corner. 2 lost that, disappointing.
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Although, to me, nothing can too Koei's versions of Achilles and Nobunaga. If Ubisoft tries, well, they better not mess it up.

Honestly, I didn't even get far in 3, I was so bored by the time I got into Boston that I turned the game off and traded it in for..something..I don't remember.

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French Revolution, huh? I'd go for that.
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Or Egypt or the Aztecs will be cool for AC ^_^
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I'm like one bad day away from just making a topic about Torii Mototada and just gushing over him for hours

I feel like I'll actually sob from excitement if he is ever added I can't explain how i feel about him
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Aztecs would be hard to pull off, purely because we don't know enough about their cities, major leaders, or general politics to make it historically accurate enough. Plus there's always the temptation to go into human sacrifice, which is offensively overplayed in modern representations of them.
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Katatonia
Wed Oct 9, 2013 2:42 am
If Assassin's Creed did Ancient Greece or Sengoku, I'd probably get back into the series, but 3 left such a bitter taste in my mouth..
Those are good ideas, or as someone else once said the French Revolution would be amazing. AC needs huge cities, something 18th century America and the Caribbean lack.

I'm pissed they ditched China for another colonial setting in 4. Sucks.

3 wasn't terrible to me, I liked Connor and his story. But I don't get why they're trying to turn the series into a pirate theme, it doesn't work.

@Richard - Yeah, I think what made UDF for me was the eerieness of it, it always felt like something really not right was around the corner. 2 lost that, disappointing.
I was against China. Though I would've loved it, I knew they would make whoever the character was Miles' ancestor. I already hate that Miles "conveniently" has so many badass heritages that him being related to a Chinese person would have lost all sense of realism for me. And there was very little of it to begin with.

If they focused on a different modern-day character for the Chinese setting I would've accepted it, but not for Miles.

(Can't stand Miles btw for reasons already stated before.)
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Hmm..he's got a jealous side. I really should have noticed it when he called Ma Chao and Zhuge Dan some mean names. Nice guy and all, but you really shouldn't be intimidated by pixilated men..

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The Miles portions of those games were always so forced and grating. Luckily, they weren't strictly tied to the assassin stuff. You could cut Desmond out of all of those AC games and still have a cool period piece story with fantastical elements.

I hope AC4 ditches the Desmond stuff (I havent been following it, so maybe they did maybe they didn't?) and future games just focus solely on the assassins and their stories. Way more interesting that way. They can keep the big "templar vs assassin" thing if they want, that is interesting enough, but the Desmond stuff...meh, its done. Let it end there.
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My favourite part of AC3 was the near textureless modern day parts of the game with bad gameplay that felt like they were made by a team of interns in the last day of developement because the team totally forgot that there was a story outside of connor.
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The Miles portions of those games were always so forced and grating. Luckily, they weren't strictly tied to the assassin stuff. You could cut Desmond out of all of those AC games and still have a cool period piece story with fantastical elements.

I hope AC4 ditches the Desmond stuff (I havent been following it, so maybe they did maybe they didn't?) and future games just focus solely on the assassins and their stories. Way more interesting that way. They can keep the big "templar vs assassin" thing if they want, that is interesting enough, but the Desmond stuff...meh, its done. Let it end there.
This.

I thought this right from AC1. The "today" story is totally not needed, they can easily draw together the historical stories by having the main Assassin in each refer to the legacy an older one left, like they did in AC2 with Altair being mentioned. My reaction whenever we leave the animus in all of them is "oh f*** off, Desmond!" haha

I love how this has suddenly become the AC discussion thread :lol:
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As with any character, they made Desmond Miles a "messiah", never obliquely wrong, and that should be a no-no. Connor wasn't much better. His character when he was full grown was hard to be sympathetic to. He was general dick to everyone. Whereas Ezio at the very least appreciated help and was ready to receive it. Younger Connor was great though. He still had his goals, but at the very least was curious about what other people said.

That and they put waaaay too much erroneous stuff in AC3. It's an adventure-action game, not open-world RPG a-la Skyrim.
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Ezio is by far my favourite assassin, so much more depth as a character. I do like Altair too, to me he was very badass

OMM; Am I the only one who, while watching the Walking Dead, wonders where all the zombies are at whenever the characters are screaming their guts out at eachother in seemingly empty woods? Logic?
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Connor's ambition is to kill his father because his father killed his mother but then he discovers his father DIDN'T hill his mother and it was President Washington who did the deed, as any reasonable person would, Connor reacts to this knowledge by continuing to aid Washington anyway and killing his father for no reason

good storytelling.
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Wed Oct 9, 2013 3:13 am
Connor's ambition is to kill his father because his father killed his mother but then he discovers his father DIDN'T hill his mother and it was President Washington who did the deed, as any reasonable person would, Connor reacts to this knowledge by continuing to aid Washington anyway and killing his father for no reason

good storytelling.
Also inaccurate storytelling. I don't get it. They said they had historians on their team but I guess none of them liked to point out Washington was at home in bed sick with dysentery during said event. :rolleyes:

Common knowledge among early American History historians. I guess not in Ubisoft historians.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9qVcH2QGmg

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I enjoyed the modern day storyline in AC. That was probably my biggest disappointment with AC3 especially when it came to the ending. It was like, "What? You want a decent conclusion to a series of five games? LOL! Here's a blatant sequel hook you sheep."

Plus, Ubisoft's descent into douchiness doesn't help.
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Wed Oct 9, 2013 3:23 am
I enjoyed the modern day storyline in AC. That was probably my biggest disappointment with AC3 especially when it came to the ending. It was like, "What? You want a decent conclusion to a series of five games? LOL! Here's a blatant sequel hook you sheep."

Plus, Ubisoft's descent into douchiness doesn't help.
I really liked it in the first one, especially since the main game was so lacking, it added a great sort of pacing to it, but in the other ones i just thought it was horrible

AC3 especially, they said it would end, but it didn't end..... :no:
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They're no longer assassin's anymore. They stopped being assassins after Ezio. Now they're just pirates in hoods.

Hood=assassin in AC-land.
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