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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,979,973 Views)
DMRevolution
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Nolan needs to play SMT: Nocturne
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I jsut dont see whats good about P4 so far????????? its just blegh
DMRevolution
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:52 pm
Nolan needs to play SMT: Nocturne
i am really sick of turn based combat right now
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P4 is Ina. It's an acquired taste.
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DMRevolution
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Play Shin Megami Tensei, persona is for little girls.

KAT KAT KAT
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Hermano get a DS and play Strange Journey, I need friends to talk about it with me.
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Fräulein
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:53 pm
P4 is Ina. It's an acquired taste.
you mean its boring and nobody should like it
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Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:54 pm
Fräulein
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:53 pm
P4 is Ina. It's an acquired taste.
you mean its boring and nobody should like it
First person I see hating on P4.

You make it oh so easy for me. :kosho:
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:kosho: Think i have that game somewhere.
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DMRevolution
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:55 pm
:kosho: Think i have that game somewhere.
Not even Mike would finish it and talk about it with me. :kosho:
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Eni
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:55 pm
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Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:54 pm
Fräulein
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:53 pm
P4 is Ina. It's an acquired taste.
you mean its boring and nobody should like it
First person I see hating on P4.

You make it oh so easy for me. :kosho:
"you don't like something i like therefore you a hipster"
typical :kosho:
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Eni
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:55 pm
Jäger
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:54 pm
Fräulein
Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:53 pm
P4 is Ina. It's an acquired taste.
you mean its boring and nobody should like it
First person I see hating on P4.

You make it oh so easy for me. :kosho:
"you don't like something i like therefore you a hipster"
typical :kosho:
I had no problems when you did the same! :kosho:
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Mike, Mr. I love everything SMT even persona Mike?
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i was just imitating you silly :asia:
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Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:59 pm
Mike, Mr. I love everything SMT even persona Mike?
Yes, the one and only.
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I'm playing SMT:IV right now. It's like Persona but darker and much more messed up.
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dancingswan
Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:02 am
I'm playing SMT:IV right now. It's like Persona but darker and much more messed up.
SMT in a nutshell.
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Buddha Mike, what happened to your love of SMT related media. What happened dear prince?

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Coming in a month late here.

I've played the hell out of both games, and for me P4 just ran off a cliff after a while.

By rights, P4 should be the better game, and it certainly looks that way on paper. The interface is brought up to date (inventory management, full battle control, faster movement around town, easier viewing of Persona skills, save point in town and in class, etc.). The dungeons are themed (kind of like Psychonauts) which, at least in theory, should add a lot of atmosphere to the game.

But.

After a while it seems like a rushed job. You spend way, way more time in the dungeons in P4, and without the "great/good/tired/sick" system, you're encouraged to grind them out in concentrated bursts. It also takes much, much longer to walk from floor to floor in P4, with only one access point every 10 floors instead of one very five. The level of slog and repetitiveness strangles the atmosphere and then beats the lifeless corpse over and over again. I'd much rather go on fast, focused training missions in Tartarus, with it's cool evolving theme music and dark, maze-like quality. The fact that the new game+ in P4 doesn't carry over player level just adds insult to injury. In a new game plus of P3:FES, I can walk through 15 floors of Tartarus in that many minutes. In P4 I'm still looking at a couple of hours (to earn levels I've already earned - because THAT makes sense).

As a matter of personal preference (don't get your backs up, P4 fans), I found the "mystery" in P4 dragged out and dumbed down. It's just painful watching the characters rehash what they know over and over and over again. P3 doesn't have the greatest overall story, but a mysterious dark tower and a war with the shadows (with a few plot twists) made a great backdrop for the urban teen experiences along the way, which was the heart of the game. I also felt like the story in P4 was just flat out sloppy and unfinished. For a while they hammer away at the "big business" theme of Juness forcing all of the small shops out of business (it's in several social links, and for a while all of the "targets" are children of local shops) and after a while they drop it altogether. For what? A scooby-doo ending where a harmless buffoon becomes an evil mastermind, except that he isn't, he's just being manipulated by the great evil being who must periodically be defeated by mankind (or a spunky band of teenagers). Bleh.

P3:FES really primed me to enjoy P4, and for a while that momentum kept me coming back to the sequel. Eventually that gave way and I started looking forward to the new game plus so I could skp all the monotonous dungeon crawling and try to experience the social links with fewer drawn out interruptions. But that was also a bust. P4 is a sloppy follow-up with a few interface improvements. The S Links often dive right off a cliff midway through - you can feel the designers phoning it in.

And don't get me started on the music. P3:FES has incredible music. P4 has something like half of the songs (or less) so you get tired of them much faster and they aren't as good to begin with.

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ah, a good post i found

although i would add that the atmosphere and themes in P3 were just so much more intense and amazing and the pacing was flawless and so easy to get absorbed in for hours

P4 i get bored anfter like 15 miins and take a break to do something else
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Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:03 am
Buddha Mike, what happened to your love of SMT related media. What happened dear prince?
He even finished SMT4 and ditched SJ.

I was so hurt.

How can you be absorbed by P3's pacing when nothing happens for like half of the game?
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Nolan, go play Devil Summoner series. Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army and Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon. Silly names but good games.
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in comparison what has happened in P4 so far?

theres just been like
oh this is the culprit, oh no it isnt, twice now,
its every mystery plot thread ever
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Which game has cuter characters? :asia:
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Jäger
Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:08 am
in comparison what has happened in P4 so far?
Why yes, the shadow characters are quite much better at grabbing one's attention than whatever happens in like 80% of the full moons.

Oh but yes, P3 has better music. Final boss music for P4 has NOTHING on P3's
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DMRevolution
Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:06 am
Nolan, go play Devil Summoner series. Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army and Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon. Silly names but good games.
how many SMT games ARE there

i feel like something graphically impressive after this though
Eni
Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:09 am
Jäger
Wed Feb 5, 2014 12:08 am
in comparison what has happened in P4 so far?
Why yes, the shadow characters are quite much better at grabbing one's attention than whatever happens in like 80% of the full moons.
the shadow characters are sooooooooooo generic
ugh and the SAME THING happenes every time
ooooh i bet next time Naoto will get kidnapped and she'll renounce her shadow and then youll fight it and then she will accept it

yeah htat hasn't happened like 6 times already

doesn't help that the shadow characters are written worse than a 90s saturday morning cartoon villain
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Wow.

I'll just agree to disagree because I really dont enjoy arguing, much less for vidya.
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