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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,979,545 Views)
GambitCajun
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The Child of the Moon, the Wolf Slaying Deer Warrior!
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Mewshuji
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:21 am
Does it mean people need to stop being smug and saying "heh, Musou is always and forever historically accurate"? Hell yes!
I think you've missed the point, we aren't saying Koei has always been historically accurate, we're saying we want them to BE MORE historically accurate, 'cause we like history, because it's fun! :kosho:
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AsianRiceIsGood
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:29 am
Are either of the twins even doing anything anymore?
I think they are kind of fashion icons? Like 99% of the photos I see of them are at fashion shows with those super chic round black sunglasses.
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GambitCajun
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I hate those type of glasses, have you ever worn one, they're ANOYING!
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But they look super chic.
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Angelic Linca
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GambitCajun
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:33 am
Mewshuji
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:21 am
Does it mean people need to stop being smug and saying "heh, Musou is always and forever historically accurate"? Hell yes!
I think you've missed the point, we aren't saying Koei has always been historically accurate, we're saying we want them to BE MORE historically accurate, 'cause we like history, because it's fun! :kosho:
That means all of the weapons must be changed more or less. Spears, swords, bows, and crossbows for everyone.
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Time to make like 999999999999 Mr.Mr avatars.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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I mean, yeah, that's fair, to want it to be more historical. Just don't complain when it isn't, all I'm wishin' for.

Also, I don't think DW or SW were ever meant to be historical simulators, at least not on the level of Nobunaga's Ambition or RotK.

Also Scottie's post reminded me of the historical fiction I was planning in which Oichi not only was just in a typical political marriage with Nagamasa, she outright hated Nagamasa.

Like all of my historical fiction, it got dropped when I actually got called in for a job interview, got depressed because I didn't get the job, then just played vidya for a few days. :U

EDIT: Also, yeah, Sakura's got the right idea. If you want any of the officers to be historically accurate in terms of moveset in SW, none of them except Musashi, Yagyu, and Kojiro can use swords as a main moveset. They must either use spears, naginatas, or bows, only using katana liberally or as a last resort. Maybe Kenshin can use his katana on horseback due to the (dubious) account of riding into Shingen's camp and striking him with his katana.
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:41 am.
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Spears for everybody! Besides the Halberd crew and the archer people. All the super important people just sit in main camp playing Risk. Second important people just sit on a horse all day yelling.
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GambitCajun
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More does NOT mean 'absolute'.
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GambitCajun
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:39 am
More does NOT mean 'absolute'.
:asia: Until Sun Jian is properly portrayed as the Hua Xiong slaying, Lu Bu whooping, instilling fear in Dong Zhuo badass he was, game can never be seen as historically accurate in my eyes.
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If the game get super historical I want option to not fight and show up on battlefield late and find a corpse who still has a head so I can cut it off and present it to winning team for payment.
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Historical means boring people like Naomasa. Fantasy means really random "wow look at that" adds like Koshosho.

I think the choice is clear. :kosho:
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Angelic Linca
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DMRevolution
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:43 am
If the game get super historical I want option to not fight and show up on battlefield late and find a corpse who still has a head so I can cut it off and present it to winning team for payment.
Hidetada arriving late at Sekigahara, game gives option of seppuku.

@swan: I agree 100%. Games are meant to be fun.
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GambitCajun
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LittleMonsterSakura
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:42 am
GambitCajun
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:39 am
More does NOT mean 'absolute'.
:asia: Until Sun Jian is properly portrayed as the Hua Xiong slaying, Lu Bu whooping, instilling fear in Dong Zhuo badass he was, game can never be seen as historically accurate in my eyes.
Even that's not historical, Hua Xiong wasn't even there and Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo retreated without a fight.
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dancingswan
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:38 am
Time to make like 999999999999 Mr.Mr avatars.
Oh goodness, yes.
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GambitCajun
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:39 am
More does NOT mean 'absolute'.
I think you misunderstand, the last part of my last post (the added "edit") was just going off of what Sakura said, had no bearing on my opinion of the matter of people wanting the game to become more historical. :unsure: I didn't mean to upset anyone with my post...

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Historical means boring people like Naomasa. Fantasy means really random "wow look at that" adds like Koshosho.

I think the choice is clear. :kosho:

It also means Naotora dropkicking Toyohisa in the face. I like dat, yeeee.
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Naomasa can be fun :unsure:
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I keep forgetting they added that Mouri boy. I get a feeling I'm going to despise him. Why couldn't they give Motonari a cool, suave, debonair, adult son?
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Not sure why people bring up history with Dynasty warriors when it's based on a story.
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Naomasa is as bland as Corn Flakes, get out of here.
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GambitCajun
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That wasn't in reply to you, you ninjad me.

LIKE THAT!
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Mewshuji
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:21 am
Uh, no, that's not almost twice. That's like... Only 15 years older than her???
Just saying.

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You know what, I'm against comparing Musou and Basara. They aren't in direct competition, and the fans of both series need to band together to make them all strong in the face of pesky fratcore gamers and western paid-off reviewers.

But dang it. I'm tired of all this bull poodoo.

>saying Koei's pulling a SB NOW
>not with DW Strikeforce, or just DW6's costumes in general
>not with Warriors Orochi
>not with SW1, in which Ranmaru is somehow older than a toddler during the attack on the Saito, Yukimura is somehow ALIVE during Kawanakajima, and all the stories make about as much historical sense as Basara's
>not with basically every DW before SW1 with the story modes that have everyone and their cousin participating in battles they have no business being in... not to mention MAAAAGIC and Zhurong

Koei has never, EVER been historically accurate. Capcom just isn't shy about admitting it with Basara, while Koei has recently been trying to (poorly) revamp the Musou series into J-dramas about the Three Kingdoms and Sengoku era recently, making fans forget its wild and CUH-RAZY past.

I mean, heck, I'm pretty sure the final stage for either Wei or Shu in DW4 was fighting the entire Sun clan at Hefei or something. How is that remotely historically accurate?

Does this make either series bad? Hell no! Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors are great BECAUSE they aren't afraid to break history. If I want a historically accurate retelling of the Sengoku era, I'll read a book. If I want a novel accurate account of RoTK, I'll read RoTK or watch the (first) C-drama about it.

Does it mean people need to stop being smug and saying "heh, Musou is always and forever historically accurate"? Hell yes!
You're talking about my post in the SW4 thread aren't you? Look Mew, I never said that Musou games are always historically accurate. And I also didn't say it had to be historical accurate. It was quite the contrary actually. I said something to the extent of it being ok for it not to be historically accurate. But really, it's just a matter of what you like. I, personally, couldn't care less if the game is historically accurate or not. So long as it's entertaining and dubbed, I'll buy it.
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Crusader, didn't you say that you didn't like Basara because it wasn't historically accurate?
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dancingswan
Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:50 am
Naomasa is as bland as Corn Flakes, get out of here.
But he doesn't have to be :no:
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