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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,979,131 Views)
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:25 am
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Spoiler: click to toggle Lianshi is not just a pair of breasts. Please find another way to phrase your disdain for a character. You can dislike her all you want, but honestly, any other way is better.
Lianshi is plot device for Sun Quan, and a dang good one.
In DW7, we see a different take on Sun Quan, an actual human being. A human who is doubtful that he can fill in the huge shoes of his father and brother. Rightfully so, both were loved dearly by many and were charismatic leaders who instilled hope for a future into the people that followed them. Sun Quan is doubtful if he has this trait, if he is even capable of ruling. That's a human trait, being doubtful of yourself happens especially when compared to people who are almost godlike in your eyes. Sun Quan from DW7 and further is one of the more human characterizations Koei has done.
This is where Lianshi comes in. Lianshi is an atypical waifu character at first glance. She has those traits. Shadows her husband, talks about her husband a lot, rarely seen without her husband. But unlike a lot of wife characters Koei cranks out, they actually gave her a personality, one that someone may or may not like. She's given a role. She is the one who openly puts her foot down, and tells Sun Quan, "Hey, stop it. You can do this. These people are obviously fighting for you. Stop being so harsh on yourself." She's his emotional weight, which is something Zhou Tai cannot do. He simply cannot carry Sun Quan emotionally. While I think they need to have Sun Quan benefit her in someway because as of right now, it's a really one-sided marriage with Lianshi constantly giving and not receiving anything in return.
Now is Lianshi sexualized? Yes. Water effects, large breasts with a small frame. Literally giving her large breasts to make her feel 'mature'. That came out of Koei's mouth. But to overlook the sort of emotional support she gives is kind of silly.
Without Lianshi, you have a sulky Sun Quan. Sun Shangxiang could very well act as an emotional support, but she leaves and never looks back. Zhou Yu dies. And the rest of the cast lacks a close enough bond with him. Lianshi is needed to help progress the story, unless you want Sun Quan to be hypercritcal on himself for the rest of the story.
While the emotional trauma was toned down in DW8, it is still very much there. And better yet, they attempted to give Lianshi a role outside of Sun Quan with putting her in Fan Castle. They failed, but it shows that Koei knows very well that she can do much more.
Another relationship that needs to be bolstered is her relationship with Sun Shangxiang. They give a wife character a relationship that makes sense, but they keep making it feel flat. I want Sun Shangxiang to deliver more on this friendship, especially when she leaves. Yiling should be a devastating battle for Shangxiang, not a "DON'T TOUCH MY MAN" expedition. Lianshi would be perfect outlet for Sun Shangxiang to actually be conflicted on her role in this battle. I like the idea that she's thankful to Lianshi for watching over her brother, but at the same time, I want her to be hesitant to fight Lianshi. Lianshi should also show some disdain towards fighting her former ally too, so it isn't necessarily SSX's fault... but eh.
I also want Koei to push some more Lianshi interaction with Lu Xun, Zhou Tai, Ding Feng, and Wang Yi. DW8 offered some interesting lines between all of them, but it wasn't enough to actually leave an impact. Great potential there, but untapped. (Koei has a lot of this)
The crossbow moveset I understand why people don't like it. But it's fun as heck for me, and I have no difficulty with it on higher difficulty. tl;dr - Lianshi is cool. Please don't say she's just boobs, find another way to say you don't like her. She's easily in my top 5 DW characters. I like the crossbow moveset. She is an actually fleshed out wife character, which is a rarity in DW.
so basically a duller version of Zhao and Yuanji? No.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:25 am
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so basically a duller version of Zhao and Yuanji? Yuanji is a basic bitch. As is most of Jin aside from Deng Ai.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:26 am
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- Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:22 am
Spoiler: click to toggle Lianshi is not just a pair of breasts. Please find another way to phrase your disdain for a character. You can dislike her all you want, but honestly, any other way is better.
Lianshi is plot device for Sun Quan, and a dang good one.
In DW7, we see a different take on Sun Quan, an actual human being. A human who is doubtful that he can fill in the huge shoes of his father and brother. Rightfully so, both were loved dearly by many and were charismatic leaders who instilled hope for a future into the people that followed them. Sun Quan is doubtful if he has this trait, if he is even capable of ruling. That's a human trait, being doubtful of yourself happens especially when compared to people who are almost godlike in your eyes. Sun Quan from DW7 and further is one of the more human characterizations Koei has done.
This is where Lianshi comes in. Lianshi is an atypical waifu character at first glance. She has those traits. Shadows her husband, talks about her husband a lot, rarely seen without her husband. But unlike a lot of wife characters Koei cranks out, they actually gave her a personality, one that someone may or may not like. She's given a role. She is the one who openly puts her foot down, and tells Sun Quan, "Hey, stop it. You can do this. These people are obviously fighting for you. Stop being so harsh on yourself." She's his emotional weight, which is something Zhou Tai cannot do. He simply cannot carry Sun Quan emotionally. While I think they need to have Sun Quan benefit her in someway because as of right now, it's a really one-sided marriage with Lianshi constantly giving and not receiving anything in return.
Now is Lianshi sexualized? Yes. Water effects, large breasts with a small frame. Literally giving her large breasts to make her feel 'mature'. That came out of Koei's mouth. But to overlook the sort of emotional support she gives is kind of silly.
Without Lianshi, you have a sulky Sun Quan. Sun Shangxiang could very well act as an emotional support, but she leaves and never looks back. Zhou Yu dies. And the rest of the cast lacks a close enough bond with him. Lianshi is needed to help progress the story, unless you want Sun Quan to be hypercritcal on himself for the rest of the story.
While the emotional trauma was toned down in DW8, it is still very much there. And better yet, they attempted to give Lianshi a role outside of Sun Quan with putting her in Fan Castle. They failed, but it shows that Koei knows very well that she can do much more.
Another relationship that needs to be bolstered is her relationship with Sun Shangxiang. They give a wife character a relationship that makes sense, but they keep making it feel flat. I want Sun Shangxiang to deliver more on this friendship, especially when she leaves. Yiling should be a devastating battle for Shangxiang, not a "DON'T TOUCH MY MAN" expedition. Lianshi would be perfect outlet for Sun Shangxiang to actually be conflicted on her role in this battle. I like the idea that she's thankful to Lianshi for watching over her brother, but at the same time, I want her to be hesitant to fight Lianshi. Lianshi should also show some disdain towards fighting her former ally too, so it isn't necessarily SSX's fault... but eh.
I also want Koei to push some more Lianshi interaction with Lu Xun, Zhou Tai, Ding Feng, and Wang Yi. DW8 offered some interesting lines between all of them, but it wasn't enough to actually leave an impact. Great potential there, but untapped. (Koei has a lot of this)
The crossbow moveset I understand why people don't like it. But it's fun as heck for me, and I have no difficulty with it on higher difficulty. tl;dr - Lianshi is cool. Please don't say she's just boobs, find another way to say you don't like her. She's easily in my top 5 DW characters. I like the crossbow moveset. She is an actually fleshed out wife character, which is a rarity in DW.  Both of you are my favorite people.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:26 am
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Whatever happened to Shokyo anyway? I couldn't understand any of her posts but she seemed nice enough. Did she say something really mean or what? Yes, she did. She loves to swear and has a grudge against the admins when all the admins do is to tell her what's good for her. However, she still continued her bad habits of saying certain words that make the admins scold her countless times even though she tries to censor them. That's why she got banned.
Lianshi smiley looks like Bayonetta without glasses
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Eni
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:26 am
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Zhao has two waifus better than Lianshi.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:26 am
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- dancingswan
- Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:25 am
- Jäger
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- Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:22 am
Spoiler: click to toggle Lianshi is not just a pair of breasts. Please find another way to phrase your disdain for a character. You can dislike her all you want, but honestly, any other way is better.
Lianshi is plot device for Sun Quan, and a dang good one.
In DW7, we see a different take on Sun Quan, an actual human being. A human who is doubtful that he can fill in the huge shoes of his father and brother. Rightfully so, both were loved dearly by many and were charismatic leaders who instilled hope for a future into the people that followed them. Sun Quan is doubtful if he has this trait, if he is even capable of ruling. That's a human trait, being doubtful of yourself happens especially when compared to people who are almost godlike in your eyes. Sun Quan from DW7 and further is one of the more human characterizations Koei has done.
This is where Lianshi comes in. Lianshi is an atypical waifu character at first glance. She has those traits. Shadows her husband, talks about her husband a lot, rarely seen without her husband. But unlike a lot of wife characters Koei cranks out, they actually gave her a personality, one that someone may or may not like. She's given a role. She is the one who openly puts her foot down, and tells Sun Quan, "Hey, stop it. You can do this. These people are obviously fighting for you. Stop being so harsh on yourself." She's his emotional weight, which is something Zhou Tai cannot do. He simply cannot carry Sun Quan emotionally. While I think they need to have Sun Quan benefit her in someway because as of right now, it's a really one-sided marriage with Lianshi constantly giving and not receiving anything in return.
Now is Lianshi sexualized? Yes. Water effects, large breasts with a small frame. Literally giving her large breasts to make her feel 'mature'. That came out of Koei's mouth. But to overlook the sort of emotional support she gives is kind of silly.
Without Lianshi, you have a sulky Sun Quan. Sun Shangxiang could very well act as an emotional support, but she leaves and never looks back. Zhou Yu dies. And the rest of the cast lacks a close enough bond with him. Lianshi is needed to help progress the story, unless you want Sun Quan to be hypercritcal on himself for the rest of the story.
While the emotional trauma was toned down in DW8, it is still very much there. And better yet, they attempted to give Lianshi a role outside of Sun Quan with putting her in Fan Castle. They failed, but it shows that Koei knows very well that she can do much more.
Another relationship that needs to be bolstered is her relationship with Sun Shangxiang. They give a wife character a relationship that makes sense, but they keep making it feel flat. I want Sun Shangxiang to deliver more on this friendship, especially when she leaves. Yiling should be a devastating battle for Shangxiang, not a "DON'T TOUCH MY MAN" expedition. Lianshi would be perfect outlet for Sun Shangxiang to actually be conflicted on her role in this battle. I like the idea that she's thankful to Lianshi for watching over her brother, but at the same time, I want her to be hesitant to fight Lianshi. Lianshi should also show some disdain towards fighting her former ally too, so it isn't necessarily SSX's fault... but eh.
I also want Koei to push some more Lianshi interaction with Lu Xun, Zhou Tai, Ding Feng, and Wang Yi. DW8 offered some interesting lines between all of them, but it wasn't enough to actually leave an impact. Great potential there, but untapped. (Koei has a lot of this)
The crossbow moveset I understand why people don't like it. But it's fun as heck for me, and I have no difficulty with it on higher difficulty. tl;dr - Lianshi is cool. Please don't say she's just boobs, find another way to say you don't like her. She's easily in my top 5 DW characters. I like the crossbow moveset. She is an actually fleshed out wife character, which is a rarity in DW.
so basically a duller version of Zhao and Yuanji?
No. sweet denial
forgot what i wanted to say oh mad cause poele make fun of her tits it seems like
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:27 am
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Well I like her boobs...
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:27 am
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Wang Yi also brings out another side of Lianshi; anger and hate. In the Hypothetical route, Lianshi openly shouts about how much she hates Wang Yi, and she's completely apathetic to her plight.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:27 am
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- Eni
- Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:26 am
Zhao has two waifus better than Lianshi. one
yuanji and lianshi is same **** different pile her only saving grace is that she has the better husband.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:27 am
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so basically a duller version of Zhao and Yuanji?
Yuanji is a basic bitch. As is most of Jin aside from Deng Ai. Deng Ai, you say.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:28 am
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OH also, old Quan who was emotional wreck and couldn't be a good leader was a better mroe interesting character than mr.doubts himself
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:28 am
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Maybe if I actually liked boobs I'd find more of a reason to like the characters who rely on their boobs heavily as part of their character.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:29 am
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Old Quan was a bore. I barely remember him.
DW6 opened my eyes, but he was a jerk in that game. A hot jerk with nice arms, but a jerk.
Her breasts aren't part of her role or personality.... at all. They are disgustingly sexualized by Koei, but they aren't a part of her character.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:29 am
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your favorite character is the biggest boob of them all, though
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:29 am
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so basically a duller version of Zhao and Yuanji?
Yuanji is a basic bitch. As is most of Jin aside from Deng Ai.
Deng Ai, you say.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:30 am
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It's okay Swan, I agree fully with your post. Well said!
And ah, I see. Well, too bad it had to come to that. Oh well!
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:30 am
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Maybe if I actually liked boobs I'd find more of a reason to like the characters who rely on their boobs heavily as part of their character. What do you like then, MCG? :shan:
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:30 am
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Quan still is an emotional pansy, he just grows out of it now
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:30 am
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Chen Gong is not a boob!
@Mischievy
Erm, I like girls with a pretty face .
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so basically a duller version of Zhao and Yuanji?
Yuanji is a basic bitch. As is most of Jin aside from Deng Ai. Jin is great. You crazy.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:30 am
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Maybe if I actually liked boobs I'd find more of a reason to like the characters who rely on their boobs heavily as part of their character. I pity you if you actually think this.
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Jin is great. You crazy.  I've had a vendetta against them ever since Sima Yi was turned into... whatever he was in 8. I was so looking forward to the back and forth between him and Chunhua only to be disappointed beyond belief.
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Just remembered how Nemesis' themes in Resident Evil 3 are all... CREEPY!!! Especially with a loud heartbeat throughout the music tracks.
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Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:30 am
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Old Quan was a bore. I barely remember him.
DW6 opened my eyes, but he was a jerk in that game. A hot jerk with nice arms, but a jerk. Tbh the nice arms did get him noticed with me in 6 It was the only game where I was pressed to play as him, with the arms and the cool flame shaped sword.
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your favorite character is the biggest boob of them all, though 
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The whole recycling costumes for Okuni/Goemon is even weirder now cos it turns out they're actually getting their own story? lol
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