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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,699 Views)
Divine Justice
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:09 pm
You try to use your words instead? Well then. "First-degree cruelty to children for “maliciously causing a child under the age of 18 cruel, excessive or mental pain."
To be fair, the "excessive mental pain" thing was from watching the step father beat the **** out of her boyfriend, not from using words. I do agree that he probably should have at least asked his daughter to leave the room or something. No one wants to see someone they care about get battered around.
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Jäger
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
doesnt NASA say civilisation is supposed to collapse in like 20 years

i guess we will find out how long crusader lasts without the government in due time :mori:


I don't need a government that starts wars with other countries for stupid reasons, I don't need a government that was built on the enslavement of my ancestors and the genocide of the Indians, I don't need a government that doesn't care about it's people, I don't need a government who lies to its people all the time either. So whatever.

Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:17 pm
Government can f up though. Senator of my state took a massive amount of funds from the child services program. :/


Exactly.

Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Im pretty alive, I think. :kosho:


You don't live in the USA, bud.
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Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:20 pm
Jäger
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
doesnt NASA say civilisation is supposed to collapse in like 20 years

i guess we will find out how long crusader lasts without the government in due time :mori:
I hope when that happens I become one of those random people that get power for no reason
Can I sit on your left side, at your Round Table?
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Im pretty alive, I think. :kosho:


You don't live in the USA, bud.
Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you're not in a worse situation than me.

Not that Im having a bad time or anything.
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Sometimes... :mellow:


Also on my mind, the fact that I'm closer to the end of my New Game Plus than I realised. :mellow:
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm
Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:20 pm
Jäger
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
doesnt NASA say civilisation is supposed to collapse in like 20 years

i guess we will find out how long crusader lasts without the government in due time :mori:
I hope when that happens I become one of those random people that get power for no reason
Can I sit on your left side, at your Round Table?
No, Eni will be at my left. You can be on the right writing down everything we say. :kosho:
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:23 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Im pretty alive, I think. :kosho:


You don't live in the USA, bud.
Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you're not in a worse situation than me.
Right.... And what's your situation?
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I EDITED, CRUSADER!
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Eni
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Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Im pretty alive, I think. :kosho:


You don't live in the USA, bud.
Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you're not in a worse situation than me.

Not that Im having a bad time or anything.
americans are so ****ing dramatic
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:24 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:23 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Im pretty alive, I think. :kosho:


You don't live in the USA, bud.
Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you're not in a worse situation than me.

Not that Im having a bad time or anything.
americans are so ****ing dramatic
We are. We have our problems with our society, but we are still better off than A LOT of countries.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:24 pm
I EDITED, CRUSADER!
....

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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm
Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:09 pm
You try to use your words instead? Well then. "First-degree cruelty to children for “maliciously causing a child under the age of 18 cruel, excessive or mental pain."
To be fair, the "excessive mental pain" thing was from watching the step father beat the **** out of her boyfriend, not from using words. I do agree that he probably should have at least asked his daughter to leave the room or something. No one wants to see someone they care about get battered around.
True, but that's not a far cry. Maybe I have to look deeper into the language of the law, but one could say that if the father had told the daughter "You need to stop acting like such a whore, before you end up on the streets like one," would have fallen under those grounds. I've seen way more idiotic interpretations.

And be that as it may, no father wants to see the girl that he loves, naked with another guy, when she is 16. My thing is, the law does too much to protect the child, to the point where it's not even easy to be able to discipline them. That girl is 16 years old, and she is showering with another 16 year old, NAKED. The whole window of "mental pain" is out of the window, at that point. She wants to make adult decisions, she needs to be treated as such, and the whole "OMG, you beat my boyfriend up, I'm so messed up inside now" thing is just stupid.
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I DID!
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I like America. They let us be fat. :kosho:
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:24 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:23 pm
Crusader14
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:21 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Im pretty alive, I think. :kosho:


You don't live in the USA, bud.
Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you're not in a worse situation than me.

Not that Im having a bad time or anything.
americans are so ****ing dramatic
We are. We have our problems with our society, but we are still better off than A LOT of countries.
'Murica doesn't care that I'm poor. Gonna sue it for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
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So annoyed with myself right now I could cry.
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Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:29 pm
I like America. They let us be fat. :kosho:
Start working out, fatty.
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Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:35 pm
Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:29 pm
I like America. They let us be fat. :kosho:
Start working out, fatty.
Gonna sue you for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:36 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:35 pm
Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:29 pm
I like America. They let us be fat. :kosho:
Start working out, fatty.
Gonna sue you for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
I'll be your lawyer. I have experience with cases such as these. :asia:
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:38 pm
Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:36 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:35 pm
Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:29 pm
I like America. They let us be fat. :kosho:
Start working out, fatty.
Gonna sue you for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
I'll be your lawyer. I have experience with cases such as these. :asia:
@Eni you might as well just surrender the deed to your house.
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Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure you're not in a worse situation than me.

Not that Im having a bad time or anything.
americans are so ****ing dramatic
We are. We have our problems with our society, but we are still better off than A LOT of countries.
'Murica doesn't care that I'm poor. Gonna sue it for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
Exactly why they should go down
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You'd be less poor if you had saved some of that PS4 money.
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:28 pm
And be that as it may, no father wants to see the girl that he loves, naked with another guy, when she is 16. My thing is, the law does too much to protect the child, to the point where it's not even easy to be able to discipline them.
True, not disputing that. I think many of us would react the same way, for better or worse.

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That girl is 16 years old, and she is showering with another 16 year old, NAKED. The whole window of "mental pain" is out of the window, at that point. She wants to make adult decisions, she needs to be treated as such, and the whole "OMG, you beat my boyfriend up, I'm so messed up inside now" thing is just stupid.
This I feel is a little more open to discussion though. They absolutely must be educated about the potential consequences of their actions, and they should take full responsibility. But I'm not convinced that the violence and trauma is really the answer here. I mean, you say that they should be treated as adults, but is smacking them around really doing that? Last I checked anyway, adults are freely allowed to shower together.

Just so we don't get our wires crossed here: I agree that ideally they should be treated as adults and punished for their actions. In this case, an adult could be punished with an unwanted pregnancy, with a child that is their responsibility. But maybe this isn't a great idea, if only for the child's sake. I don't know, it's honestly not an easy issue to deal with. There is no perfect solution.

I do agree at the very least that the father's punishment should be lessened. Yes, he assaulted a minor, which he probably shouldn't have done. But as stated at the beginning, this is the type of situation that most of us wouldn't be able to think rationally through. It's the kind of thing no one wants to experience, and when it comes who knows what will happen? So yeah, I don't really think the father can be blamed 100% for what he did, but I also don't really agree necessarily with some of the praise he gets for it in the comments on that article. It all seems just a bit too much, to be honest.

Not sure if I've properly expressed my opinion on the subject, but hopefully I've been pretty clear.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:39 pm
Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:38 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:36 pm
Eni
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:35 pm
Gai
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:29 pm
I like America. They let us be fat. :kosho:
Start working out, fatty.
Gonna sue you for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
I'll be your lawyer. I have experience with cases such as these. :asia:
@Eni you might as well just surrender the deed to your house.
His house? :lol:

By the time I'm done, he will have to find another realm to inhabit, for his very soul will be cooking your eggs.

Sunny. Side. Up.
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