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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,698 Views)
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:28 pm
She wants to make adult decisions, she needs to be treated as such,
beating up a 16 year old boy is an adult reaction????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:42 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:35 pm

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Gonna sue you for emotional, mental, and psychological damage.
I'll be your lawyer. I have experience with cases such as these. :asia:
@Eni you might as well just surrender the deed to your house.
His house? :lol:

By the time I'm done, he will have to find another realm to inhabit, for his very soul will be cooking your eggs.

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Omg no one who uses that emote is allowed to be my lawyer.
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Screw you, Im not cooking for Gai.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:42 pm
You'd be less poor if you had saved some of that PS4 money.
Debatable.

I did pay for half of that with the blood of children, and sweat of 21 year old brunette virgins...

But even then, that would have only covered 2 months of the premium.

And it took me 6 months to get that much...
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:42 pm
Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:28 pm
And be that as it may, no father wants to see the girl that he loves, naked with another guy, when she is 16. My thing is, the law does too much to protect the child, to the point where it's not even easy to be able to discipline them.
True, not disputing that. I think many of us would react the same way, for better or worse.

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That girl is 16 years old, and she is showering with another 16 year old, NAKED. The whole window of "mental pain" is out of the window, at that point. She wants to make adult decisions, she needs to be treated as such, and the whole "OMG, you beat my boyfriend up, I'm so messed up inside now" thing is just stupid.
This I feel is a little more open to discussion though. They absolutely must be educated about the potential consequences of their actions, and they should take full responsibility. But I'm not convinced that the violence and trauma is really the answer here. I mean, you say that they should be treated as adults, but is smacking them around really doing that? Last I checked anyway, adults are freely allowed to shower together.

Just so we don't get our wires crossed here: I agree that ideally they should be treated as adults and punished for their actions. In this case, an adult could be punished with an unwanted pregnancy, with a child that is their responsibility. But maybe this isn't a great idea, if only for the child's sake. I don't know, it's honestly not an easy issue to deal with. There is no perfect solution.

I do agree at the very least that the father's punishment should be lessened. Yes, he assaulted a minor, which he probably shouldn't have done. But as stated at the beginning, this is the type of situation that most of us wouldn't be able to think rationally through. It's the kind of thing no one wants to experience, and when it comes who knows what will happen? So yeah, I don't really think the father can be blamed 100% for what he did, but I also don't really agree necessarily with some of the praise he gets for it in the comments on that article. It all seems just a bit too much, to be honest.

Not sure if I've properly expressed my opinion on the subject, but hopefully I've been pretty clear.
I'm not talking about the beating being the adult reaction. I mean, they shouldn't be allowed to only be protected because of it.

If a 30 year old man catches his 27 wife in the shower with a 22 year old man, that 22 year old man should be liable for anything that happens from that point on.

There are consequences for your actions. You should not be protected by the law for being an idiot/asshole. Which is what makes me mad, because that is what America winds up doing anyways.

I agree, the father shouldn't have put his hands on the boy. But in his situation, I can understand it. It's not fair that, if that girl was in the shower doing you-know-what, and she had gotten pregnant, he would have been the one left holding the bill.

And if he refused, he would have been punished by the law.

I feel for the kid, too, trust me. But in my situation, if I'd worked hard to build a better life for me and my family, worked hard day in and day out, I would be PISSED if one of my kids decided they wanted to go off script. I still wonder what he could have done, besides what he did, though.

Some kids only respond to fear, to discipline. Simply talking to them just isn't going to work. They are just going to go to another shower, or go at another time.

Sad as it may seem, fear is the only way to control some kids. What would you rather have? A 21 year old with a decent job, married to someone that is able to take care of that kid?

Or 2 16 year olds, one kid, and neither of them making more than 13 thousand a year?

I understand your point, and I agree. This man probably isn't the hero we want, but I feel like he is the hero we need. It's like the one judge said about Rachel Canning. We can't make the law into a weapon that kids can use, to make parents afraid of establishing rules in the household. And everything that went down prior to the assault, it all pointed towards bad news for the father. Rock and a hard place.
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whats wrong with two 16 year olds doing the nasty?
as long as they're using protection i dont see what the problem is, 16 is practically an adult and a 16 year old can decide if they want to **** somone or not themselves. They dont need their parent to do so for them.
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Tbh you can't really try and justify violence, even if he was shocked that's no excuse for beating the s**t out of somebody.

That's my take on it anyway. I mean if they're old enough to be having sex they're old enough to face the consequences should any occur.
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You can get married at 16 over here. :mellow:

Over protective parenting is what leads to kids turning out as ungrateful little sh*ts. Freedom is the key to glory.
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OMM: I fancy a slap up meal, maybe a curry or something :P
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:02 pm
whats wrong with two 16 year olds doing the nasty?
as long as they're using protection i dont see what the problem is, 16 is practically an adult and a 16 year old can decide if they want to **** somone or not themselves. They dont need their parent to do so for them.
There's nothing wrong with it. Unless, of course, that 16 year old is living in their parent's house, where it is forbidden to have sex.

You're going to live in their house, you have to live by their rules.

And that's the logic of the government. Why shouldn't parents be afforded the same power? If they want to do THAT, then they also need to make arrangements to live somewhere else where that will be allowed.

Or... Not get caught. If you get caught, you suffer the consequences.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:02 pm
Tbh you can't really try and justify violence, even if he was shocked that's no excuse for beating the s**t out of somebody.
especially if they are over twice that person's age????

like yeah okay if the father was a bit rought with the boy i understand that, if he was against his daughter having boys in the house he has every right to throw the kid out naked if he has to, but beaitng the **** out of him is not a solution at all??? its barbaric
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I don't know if it's the same in America but I'll assume it is, if the age of consent is 16 and they were both consenting then they were doing nothing illegal. The Dad overreacted imo.
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:07 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:02 pm
whats wrong with two 16 year olds doing the nasty?
as long as they're using protection i dont see what the problem is, 16 is practically an adult and a 16 year old can decide if they want to **** somone or not themselves. They dont need their parent to do so for them.
There's nothing wrong with it. Unless, of course, that 16 year old is living in their parent's house, where it is forbidden to have sex.

You're going to live in their house, you have to live by their rules.
and i would argue that restrictions like that are bad for the kid and are asking for the chidl to be a deliquent who disobeys them
its straight up bad parenting with little foresight, not the kids fault.
Arminius
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:08 pm
I don't know if it's the same in America but I'll assume it is, if the age of consent is 16 and they were both consenting then they were doing nothing illegal. The Dad overreacted imo.
its 18, but it should be 16 to be honest.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:02 pm
Tbh you can't really try and justify violence, even if he was shocked that's no excuse for beating the s**t out of somebody.

That's my take on it anyway. I mean if they're old enough to be having sex they're old enough to face the consequences should any occur.
Not trying to justify it. I just feel bad for the guy.

Maybe that's because I got my butt whupped so many times as a kid, I just feel like that kid should man up. He wanted to man up with the daughter, gotta man up with the father.

You really can't justify knocking up someone else's daughter and then letting him take care of it, but that was probably gonna happen anyways.

I feel like, with the consequences, the consequence of sex is going to be the kid. At which point, it's a high chance that 3 lives are going to be very screwed.
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America's legal ages for things are messed up. 21 to drink... What?
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:10 pm
You really can't justify knocking up someone else's daughter and then letting him take care of it, but that was probably gonna happen anyways.
he didn't knock her up, we hoenstly dont even know if they had sex
she could have just given him a handjob or a bj, you dont know, saying shes knocked up and the son is abandoning the kid is completely unfounded and an unrelated exaqmple, its nto even the same

and if thats what youre worried about, campaign for better sex education, not the right for a dude to beat a kid up
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I hate to contribute to this corporate media nonsense, but I really want to say it:

Honestly, I think they shouldn't have been having sex where it was forbidden in the first place and the Dad shouldn't have overreacted the way he did. They're all guilty. Those kids are guilty for having sex in that house when they knew damn well what may have happened if they did and the Dad's guilty for beating the daylights out of the kid. Case closed.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:09 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:02 pm
whats wrong with two 16 year olds doing the nasty?
as long as they're using protection i dont see what the problem is, 16 is practically an adult and a 16 year old can decide if they want to **** somone or not themselves. They dont need their parent to do so for them.
There's nothing wrong with it. Unless, of course, that 16 year old is living in their parent's house, where it is forbidden to have sex.

You're going to live in their house, you have to live by their rules.
and i would argue that restrictions like that are bad for the kid and are asking for the chidl to be a deliquent who disobeys them
its straight up bad parenting with little foresight, not the kids fault.
Arminius
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:08 pm
I don't know if it's the same in America but I'll assume it is, if the age of consent is 16 and they were both consenting then they were doing nothing illegal. The Dad overreacted imo.
its 18, but it should be 16 to be honest.
Then how are they supposed to raise the child? Doing whatever they want?

If you give a mouse a cookie, he's not going to give it back and ask for an apple. At least, not every time.

And if that kid is 16, and does what they want to do, and has a kid, should the parent be held responsible for that?
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:02 pm
whats wrong with two 16 year olds doing the nasty?
as long as they're using protection i dont see what the problem is, 16 is practically an adult and a 16 year old can decide if they want to **** somone or not themselves. They dont need their parent to do so for them.
I pretty much agree with this. While it's a fairly natural reaction for the father to have, if we are going to treat them as adults (which they practically are) then we should treat them as adults in all ways. The father has the right to press charges for trespassing, etc., but the teens have the right to use their bodies as they please.

I do agree that the law shouldn't prevent you from punishing your kids. But that's also where the disagreement stems actually: are they kids or are they adults? You really have to pick one, you can't say that they are sort of kids, sort of adults, because that's when law, morals, etc. become grey.

On the point about some kids not responding to anything but fear, well... if we're treating them as kids, then I think ultimately that should be for the parent to decide. Unless it's a repeated offence and the kids just won't leave you alone, then ideally violence shouldn't be brought into the equation on other people's kids. Even then it's probably better to just call the police, rather than taking it into your own hands.

But again, to be clear, I do see where the man was coming from. Whether it's something he should have done or not, I can understand how he felt and rationalized it to himself. It's a really shitty situation; as you said, pretty much the classic rock and a hard place. So ultimately I don't really look down on him for it, but I do think the cheering is a little disgusting.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:12 pm
Then how are they supposed to raise the child? Doing whatever they want?
thats how i was raised and i was an honor roll student, never done drugs, never tried more than a sip of alcohol (that my parents pressured me to take) never had sex.
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Then how are they supposed to raise the child? Doing whatever they want?
thats how i was raised and i was an honor roll student, never done drugs, never tried more than a sip of alcohol (that my parents pressured me to take) never had sex.
That's you, then, for being one hell of a guy.

I don't think everyone can be like you.
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What teens need is adequate sex education, and I don't care if parents/people from older generations disagree and think "well we didn't need it!". It's a different world now and children are far more exposed to sexual imagery in the media.

Countries with adequate sex education in schools (Scandinavia, The Netherlands and Germany come to mind) have far lower rates of teen pregnancy and STDs. They don't achieve those figures by refusing to talk about sex and relationships. That's the problem with the USA and, to a lesser extent, the UK. We're prudish, we don't talk about it, so kids go and experiment without knowing what they are doing and things go wrong.
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that isn't it thought because i am not.
I truly believe that placing a ton of restrictions on your kid makes them act out. I dont think placing absolutely NO restrictions on your kid works either as i ended up a total social recluse (which may be unrelated idk)
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I think I turned out fine I mean I only had restrictions placed when they were necessary so
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It should be up to the person taking care of you. If you are dependent on someone, if they ask you to do something, that isn't outside the realm of morality (not saying to let someone do things that are just wrong), but to do the dishes, keep your room clean, don't bring boys into my house.... I think you should probably do that.

However, the law won't let that happen. And that isn't right.

Some kids do what they are told. Others, don't. What works on one kid, may not work on the other.

And sex education is nice and all, except for the fact that it is based on the fact that kids should, indeed, be having sex. I think it is wrong to be teaching a 16 year old about sex, when in some households, parents do not want kids to be doing it.

Sex shouldn't be treated as a right.
My parents were restrictive as hell, and I turned out.. okay.

I mean, probably the same problems as others, a bit of self-confidence here, lack of social skills there, but I grew out of most of it.

That's neither here nor there. I just am in the camp that, if a parent tells you not to have sex, and they are taking care of you, you should probably take that the same as when they tell you to fold your clothes.

Rules are rules, and sex education, while teaching them something they need to know, also helps to subvert those rules. It's okay to have sex because you use protection, which helps to keep you from catching something, but also to keep your parents from finding out that you are doing it.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:22 pm
And sex education is nice and all, except for the fact that it is based on the fact that kids should, indeed, be having sex. I think it is wrong to be teaching a 16 year old about sex, when in some households, parents do not want kids to be doing it.

Sex shouldn't be treated as a right.
like it or not they're going to do it, kids are going to have sex, its a natural part of life
if the parents dont want their kid learning about sex than when their precious little girl gets knocked up at 14 they have no one to blame but themselves.
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