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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,697 Views)
Erminaz
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Teens are curious about sex, especially today when we are bombarded with sexual imagery in the media.

In an ideal world better censorship of the media would be the answer, but this isn't an ideal world and the media and the "sex sells" mentality of celebrities is out of control. The best we can do is educate kids on what's what.
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:22 pm
And sex education is nice and all, except for the fact that it is based on the fact that kids should, indeed, be having sex. I think it is wrong to be teaching a 16 year old about sex, when in some households, parents do not want kids to be doing it.

Sex shouldn't be treated as a right.

Rules are rules, and sex education, while teaching them something they need to know, also helps to subvert those rules. It's okay to have sex because you use protection, which helps to keep you from catching something, but also to keep your parents from finding out that you are doing it.
Well no, sex education isn't about teaching people "how to get away with it". It's always taught under the mindset that "if it's going to happen, at least do it safely, but that doesn't mean you should do it". Yeah, some people take it the wrong way, but I agree 100% that education is the best weapon against things like this.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:14 pm
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:12 pm
Then how are they supposed to raise the child? Doing whatever they want?
thats how i was raised and i was an honor roll student, never done drugs, never tried more than a sip of alcohol (that my parents pressured me to take) never had sex.
Yeah but some kids like that turn out to be spoiled brats. Take me for example. When I was 4 or 5 and I did something wrong, my Mom wouldn't beat me or anything, she wouldn't scold me, etc. When I didn't get my way, I'd cry and fuss and pound the floor and have an all out temper tantrum until I got my way. Did I? Yes I did, almost every time. But that stopped when I was about 8. My Mom decided me and my older sister needed someone who would put their foot down when we had done something wrong and/or if we were fighting, which was almost everyday.

One time, I hit my Mom because she took my PS2. That's how spoiled I am.

My Mom would see man after man, and none of them did the trick. Then when I turned 11, I ended up in the mental hospital because the fights with my sister were intensifying. One time I was about to hit her with a baseball bat, and she ran so quick.... This was during Summer 2012(?) btw, and there were a string of incidents after that. Near the end of the year, that's when my Mom put me in a mental hospital. Yes, that's how bad the fights got, that I had to be institutionalized for it.Not only that, but I had overdosed on medicine because I wanted to sleep, so....

On December 6th, 2012, my sister and I had our last fight. We fought it out on the streets in Redlands. I have the scratch marks and she has the bite marks to prove the severity of what happened. Anyway, after that, we've never fought since. And yet still, I'm spoiled. I also badger my Mom for things that I want because I have a severe case of OCD. I always want my way and want things to go the way I plan them to be. But does it happen? Hardly anymore. I can't because my Mom has a boyfriend now, and he's too strong for me to put in some effort to force my Mom to get me what I want.

And now, my Mom says I can't beg or receive what I beg for because she got me SM4 for 2 months. So that means no PS4, no new laptop stand, no new nothing. How do all these things relate to your being an honor student? Because me and my sister are the same. We both manage a 3.0 or higher in school, we both have never had sex, we both have never had drugs or anything.

Point is that sometimes when parents give you whatever you want and let you do whatever you want with no consequences or punishments and literally have no power when they try to do so, **** gets a little rough sometimes for the parent and the child and turns the child into a monster.

EDIT: And me and my sister are proof of that point.
Edited by Mr. Crusader, Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:32 pm.
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I feel like, whether you educate them or not, they are going to want to have sex.

But then, having a roof over their head will take precedence.

It is how law works. You obey the law, you keep your freedom. Should be the same inside of a household.

Just because you teach someone that taking something that doesn't belong to them, or taking someone's life, is wrong, doesn't mean that they won't do it. If education worked as well as it should, we wouldn't have so many people behind bars.
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Jäger
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:19 pm
that isn't it thought because i am not.
I truly believe that placing a ton of restrictions on your kid makes them act out. I dont think placing absolutely NO restrictions on your kid works either as i ended up a total social recluse (which may be unrelated idk)


That's exactly my point
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maybe it'd be easier to swallow the parent's rules if they weren't banging other teens when they were their kids age.
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Oh, and Jager, yes I also turned into a social recluse, just like you.
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I had the pleasure of knowing my grandma before she died.

If my dad had dared to get caught banging another chick, he had better made arrangements to do so in her bed, in the house that he would, from there on, be staying.

Parents don't want their kids making the same boneheaded mistakes they made at the age, which is probably why they make those rules. Because they know what it's like to be under the age of 20, with a kid. Because they don't want that for the kid.
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Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:30 pm
If education worked as well as it should, we wouldn't have so many people behind bars.
A number of people that are behind bars either weren't properly educated, didn't commit actual crimes, or had no choice. Sometimes It's steal to live.

... but that's a discussion for another day :kosho:
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:32 pm
maybe it'd be easier to swallow the parent's rules if they weren't banging other teens when they were their kids age.
Preach

And tbh the idea of "strictly no sex" teens is a very 20th century concept. There was no "teen" phase of life before about 200 years ago maximum. You'd be considered an adult and married by the time you were 16.

Now that's not ok in a modern context, that's not my point. My point is that humans have already reached an age where they are naturally curious about sex by the time they are 13-14. That's how humans evolved and lived for thousands of generations. People having "underage" sex is nothing new or unnatural.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:36 pm
Zhou Yin
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:30 pm
If education worked as well as it should, we wouldn't have so many people behind bars.
A number of people that are behind bars either weren't properly educated, didn't commit actual crimes, or had no choice. Sometimes It's steal to live.

... but that's a discussion for another day :kosho:
And that's why our government is hellishly corrupt.
Arminius
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:38 pm
Jäger
Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:32 pm
maybe it'd be easier to swallow the parent's rules if they weren't banging other teens when they were their kids age.
Preach

And tbh the idea of "strictly no sex" teens is a very 20th century concept. There was no "teen" phase of life before about 200 years ago maximum. You'd be married by the time you were 16.

Now that's not ok in a modern context, that's not my point. My point is that humans have already reached an age where they are naturally curious about sex by the time they are 13-14. That's how humans evolved and lived for thousands of generations. People having "underage" sex is nothing new or unnatural.
Exactly. So the father beating the kid up isn't all that justified.
Edited by Mr. Crusader, Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:39 pm.
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Society and, at times, government, are too quick to tell someone how to raise their kids, but the moment you demand that they, in turn, have a hand in the responsibility, they immediately call you a bad parent.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:44 pm
Society and, at times, government, are too quick to tell someone how to raise their kids, but the moment you demand that they, in turn, have a hand in the responsibility, they immediately call you a bad parent.
It's funny because we blame our problems on society when we are society. In order for society to change for the better, we have to stop being judgmental to people who really haven't done anything wrong and let them be them,. It's not our place to judge others because what people do in their day-to-day minutia is none of our business unless they make it our business. We have to be the change we want to see in society.

Unfortunately, my tolerance in society as withered up so much that I have become a social recluse. But it doesn't really matter. I'm happy not going outside a lot.
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Honestly there's no justification of what he did
The guy wasn't attacking the girl, and whatever they were doing was consensual, so there was no reason to do what he did.
Assault /is/ illegal, and that's that.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:53 pm
Honestly there's no justification of what he did
The guy wasn't attacking the girl, and whatever they were doing was consensual, so there was no reason to do what he did.
Assault /is/ illegal, and that's that.
Pretty much. But I still believe that, in hindsight, those kids shouldn't have been having sex when they knew what would've happened.
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Oh god. Why do some games put random unexpected horror bits in. Seriously I wasn't prepared for this, I'm not good with horror.

Oh well, not sleeping tonight.

@Crusader: Well no. They probably thought the worse they get was seriously grounded and barred from seein each other. Not that her dad would beat the guy senseless.
Edited by Benzod, Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:58 pm.
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maybe they were just washing away the demons together, you dont know what they were doing in there, what are you, some pervert peeping tom????
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:56 pm
Oh god. Why do some games put random unexpected horror bits in. Seriously I wasn't prepared for this, I'm not good with horror.

Oh well, not sleeping tonight.

@Crusader: Well no. They probably thought the worse they get was seriously grounded and barred from seein each other. Not that her dad would beat the guy senseless.
What game might that be?

Personally I don't mind horror as long as it's not like stupidly gory. I'm not good with gore either.

Scary horror, better.
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Thief. The asylum bit if you've played it.

Not gory or anything, more just stuff moving around by itself, noises and dead bodies suddenly appearing. Gore I can handle much better.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:01 pm
Thief. The asylum bit if you've played it.

Not gory or anything, more just stuff moving around by itself, noises and dead bodies suddenly appearing. Gore I can handle much better.
No I haven't played Thief actually. I am thinking of trying it though, that doesn't sound too much for me

As for gore, Saw can leave. films like that make me ill
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I'm starting to get the feeling that people think I'm trying to justify the guy's actions... I'm not. He shouldn't have put his hands on the kid.

But at the same time, that kid should not have been in his house, in the shower with his daughter. If you're going to look at who is wrong, look at everyone.

His house, his rules.

The whole consensual thing, I don't like it. It all goes in my thing about the government protecting kids from being parented. The law basically lets kids do what their parents say they can't do, without having to worry about any sort of retaliation. Because the laws against child abuse are so broad, even yelling at the kid is wrong.

NO. I am not saying we should be able to hang kids upside down, and whack at them leather belts (which is more or less what I had to go through, but that's neither here nor there). I'm saying, we can't even tell a kid that, if they want to do what they want, they have to do it somewhere else. Because there is a law that forces parents to still support that child, even when the child no longer lives with them by the child's own decision.

There is absolutely no way for the man to let his daughter know that he is serious about his rules, and so she will continue showering with the boy, and doing whatever she wants. The father? He has to just deal with it.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:58 pm
maybe they were just washing away the demons together, you dont know what they were doing in there, what are you, some pervert peeping tom????


I'm just making a response based on the provided information, nothing more. True, I don't know what they were doing, but while I did say that those kids shouldn't have done what they were doing (whatever the hell that was), I also meant to say that the father shouldn't have done what he did either. What the Dad did was blatant assault.I'm not defending the Dad in saying that those kids shouldn't have done what they were doing in a place where it was forbidden or whatever, but you know, maybe in hindsight they should have went somewhere else to do it.

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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:56 pm
@Crusader: Well no. They probably thought the worse they get was seriously grounded and barred from seein each other. Not that her dad would beat the guy senseless.


Yeah that's true. Whatever they did, next time they want to do that, they should have done it elsewhere so that wouldn't have happened
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and thats why im only doing it when im married. I follow A No Sex Before Marriage thing....
Its just something i chose to live by...

OMM: Sour Patch Kids Soda Popz...yummy ^^
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The fact my cat is outside my room staring at me seriously isn't helping.
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:06 pm
and thats why im only doing it when im married. I follow A No Sex Before Marriage thing....

OMM: Sour Patch Kids Soda Popz...yummy ^^
*digi-fives

I wish I had your patience.

Eh. I waited til I was 20 and outside of my parents house.

BT-Dubs, Sex. Totally not all they make it out to be.
Edited by Zhou Yin, Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:09 pm.
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