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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,609 Views)
DMRevolution
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:kosho: I only know ninjas so I want ninjas in SW.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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I know less about Sengoku than I do ROTK, so my wants for SW are usually driven by stories I hear, connections to other characters/events, or just cause I like how they appear in my head...
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i dont like DW much so i want all those awful shu adds because the tears would be hilarious

i have a massive list of SW adds i need to see for my life to be complete
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Lion King vs Frozen?
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Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:27 am
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Sometimes people do get bitter. The thing is cisgenders straight white men don't face any widespread discrimination or oppression in society. I do think they can be discriminated against, don't get me wrong, but it's not widespread or institutionalised.

Sometimes people who don't fit into that group face problems day in, day out and it can leave them bitter, understandably. It's no excuse for hatred though, I do agree.

I fit into that bitter category sometimes. Though I won't flat out insult you if you're a white cisgendered person. I have had pretty bad experiences with the white population but that doesn't mean I hate white people. Cisgendered...same thing. Just don't be a huge jerk about it.?
See, I certainly understand being bitter. I have nothing wrong with that. I get it. A lot of old, hetero guys just don't get transgenders.

I can't understand perpetuating hate to combat hate. Yes, it is horrible that there are trans people who die because they're being killed just for being trans. But calling for a genocide of cisgenders is not the way to go about it. It will only make fencesitters want to go back to the side of the fence you don't want them on.

I mean, look at the Civil Rights Movement. Who does everyone honor and revere? Martin Luther King Jr. He was a nice person, who fought for everyone to have equal rights regardless of race, and helped people understand where he and others in his movement were coming from. Then you have Malcom X, who very few people revere and is rather remembered for being inflammatory and encouraging violence.

It just, to me, seems like there are very few people in the trans-equality movement who are big names that could be equated to MLK, and just a lot of Malcom Xs. Maybe that's because... MLK really wasn't incredibly vocal- but he was very active. On the flipside, Malcom X was vocal, but not very active. So it just seems that way.
dancingswan
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:26 am
The reason for the Wei Yan thing is that I've been told genderbending/rule 63 is transphobic. This isn't me just pulling out of thin air. Mainly because with genderbending you are assigning a new gender to someone solely based on genitalia, when that's not right.
I'm not sure if I understand why rule 63 is inherently offensive. Is it just because it's called genderbending? If so, would sexbending be okay?

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So Sanzo is offensive?
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Social Justice isn't that bad, it's just a lot of the people are angry, come off angry, and then get told they shouldn't be angry and try a more peaceful approach. Time to make a roundabout. Marginalized groups often get looked over until they make an outlandish remark or claim, that's when people look. I'd rather get my message out, than it to just be buried.

No one really wants all cis people to die, but it got you to look, didn't it.

And while I wish minority groups didn't have to resort to this mentality, it is the only way the message gets heard. :/
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Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:40 am
dancingswan
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:26 am
The reason for the Wei Yan thing is that I've been told genderbending/rule 63 is transphobic. This isn't me just pulling out of thin air. Mainly because with genderbending you are assigning a new gender to someone solely based on genitalia, when that's not right.
I'm not sure if I understand why rule 63 is inherently offensive. Is it just because it's called genderbending? If so, would sexbending be okay?

You'd have to ask a trans person. I don't know myself. I'm just stating what I've been told by a trans friend.
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i dont think anyone knows why rule 53 is offensive because it ****ing isnt
it was supposed to be the new word for gender/sexbending but then it became offensive just like the asterisk besides trans became offsive for some asinine incomprehensible reason
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Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:36 am
you arent
and if you think you are just make a tumblr and follow a bunch of social justice people and youll experience it all
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The worst example is Social Justice Wario. He actually reveres Anita Sarkeesian.

I mean, she was important in that she got people to talk about gender/sex representation in video games. It is an issue that needs addressing. But she herself is just... ugh...
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Mr. Kamikaze
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:38 am
I know less about Sengoku than I do ROTK, so my wants for SW are usually driven by stories I hear, connections to other characters/events, or just cause I like how they appear in my head...
Just get familiar with the people in my wishlist ^_^


OT: Mama knows who Koshosho is now. Uh oh.
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I think sex bending is okay as long as you don't make it as if it's some kind of joke. I believe my trans-friend has sex bended some of his OC characters. So respect has to be maintained basically.

But for the Wei-Yan thing it's offensive because it's not historically the way it is. It can get people into the wrong idea, I believe.
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Swan's right though. Negativity is louder than positivity, which is why social justice warriors are the way they are on tumblr.

And at the same time, cisgendered straight men aren't even that hateful, its just again, negativity is louder than positivity so thats why social justice is so argued over on tumblr. A few bad eggs ruin it for a lot of people.
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dancingswan
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:42 am
Social Justice isn't that bad, it's just a lot of the people are angry, come off angry, and then get told they shouldn't be angry and try a more peaceful approach. Time to make a roundabout. Marginalized groups often get looked over until they make an outlandish remark or claim, that's when people look. I'd rather get my message out, than it to just be buried.

No one really wants all cis people to die, but it got you to look, didn't it.

And while I wish minority groups didn't have to resort to this mentality, it is the only way the message gets heard.
It goes back to what I was saying earlier. Minority groups face problems day in, day out, so even though I don't condone hate their anger and bitterness is understandable.

If I witnessed a situation where a cis white straight male picked on someone who wasn't one or more of those things, and the indivdual they pick on, having struggled all their life, decides that's the last straw and snaps on them, I've got little sympathy for him. I basically said this on another thread a few days ago but since this topic is hot here I'll repeat :lol:
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Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:47 am
But for the Wei-Yan thing it's offensive because it's not historically the way it is. It can get people into the wrong idea, I believe.
But the DW Wei Yan is not how he was historically either?

And you have a Zhang He sig, who isnt accurate at all either. So there is that. :/
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dancingswan
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:42 am
Social Justice isn't that bad, it's just a lot of the people are angry, come off angry, and then get told they shouldn't be angry and try a more peaceful approach. Time to make a roundabout. Marginalized groups often get looked over until they make an outlandish remark or claim, that's when people look. I'd rather get my message out, than it to just be buried.

No one really wants all cis people to die, but it got you to look, didn't it.

And while I wish minority groups didn't have to resort to this mentality, it is the only way the message gets heard. :/
Mewshuji
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:40 am
dancingswan
Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:26 am
The reason for the Wei Yan thing is that I've been told genderbending/rule 63 is transphobic. This isn't me just pulling out of thin air. Mainly because with genderbending you are assigning a new gender to someone solely based on genitalia, when that's not right.
I'm not sure if I understand why rule 63 is inherently offensive. Is it just because it's called genderbending? If so, would sexbending be okay?

You'd have to ask a trans person. I don't know myself. I'm just stating what I've been told by a trans friend.
See, I don't mind it being used as a message to get people to take a look. But see, then there are people who, when asked, say "yeah, I really do want all cis people dead". They're in the minority, yeah. But it doesn't help matters.

I also have no problem with social justice. It just seems like the most vocal social justice bloggers are belligerently hate-spewing. :(

And I guess I don't understand it because I have a few trans friends who not only have no problem with it, but enjoy it? Like there's this one girl (who I only call a girl because she's comfortable with people calling her one- she actually identifies as genderfluid) who I have a crush on. She actually has reblogged quite a few r63 stuff before.
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There are good causes out there that get turned into really obnoxious soap boxes, on both sides, that makes everyone else just not care about it. Unfortunately.
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Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:50 am
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Thu Apr 3, 2014 1:47 am
But for the Wei-Yan thing it's offensive because it's not historically the way it is. It can get people into the wrong idea, I believe.
But the DW Wei Yan is not how he was historically either?

And you have a Zhang He sig, who isnt accurate at all either. So there is that. :/
I do know alot about China's 3K history.

I know ZhangHe wasn't actually like that. Of course. I personally like how the character in the game looks.
Historically none of the Koei characters look like how they are, except maybe Cao Cao, Zhuge Liang, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei and Nobunaga. (maybe Liu Bei) I might be missing some, but of course most of the characters are either historically scribed as a male with a beard and quite burly or for women usually very dainty and described as stay at home wives. Sun Shang Xiang has been explained to be quite tough and a fierce person though.

Sanzang was historically a man in Chinese history. I got very annoyed when I found out that Koei had her as a woman. However reading deeper, in Japan she was known as a female. Though it still irked me that they didn't stick to the chinese version, I still have to remember KoeiTecmo is a Japanese based company.

EDIT: History? Mythology? I don't remember clearly the word.
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This is an interesting conversation :popcorn:

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Spoiler within a spoiler within a spoiler was never funny.
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Annoying.
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