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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,562 Views)
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dont get why some people get so upset about fem kenshin
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Face it crusader, even if Kenshin wasn't a woman historically, he was a prettyboy.
All those portraits of him with facial hair or an especially masculine face? Done after he was dead. Please understand.

Edit: I don't get it either, I saw people get pretty upset on a samurai history forum at the mere suggestion that maybe Kenshin was a woman. "WHAT?! SHINGENZ GREATEST RIVAL A WOMANA!? NU WAY".
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:28 pm.
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Female Kenshin alt costume.
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Some people hate genderbent characters it seems. They probably never played Kessen 2 or have never watched Ikki Tousen.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:27 pm
dont get why some people get so upset about fem kenshin


Because...I like Kenshin as a guy. If Koei got rid of his intriguing masculinity (although his praises and rants about war get annoying)...eugh, I'd just be so pissed if it happened.

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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:27 pm
Face it crusader, even if Kenshin wasn't a woman historically, he was a prettyboy.
All those portraits of him with facial hair or an especially masculine face? Done after he was dead. Please understand.


Okay, I'd be fine with it in a separate Koei game series, but SW Kenshin should never, ever be a girl EVER!!!
Edited by Mr. Crusader, Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:30 pm.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:27 pm
dont get why some people get so upset about fem kenshin


Because...I like Kenshin as a guy. If Koei got rid of his intriguing masculinity (although his praises and rants about war get annoying)...eugh, I'd just be so pissed if it happened.
You can still be a female and be masculine.
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i mean
i really doubt he was a woman
but its a fun thign to play around with since the dude was clearly very in touch with his feminine side and probably at th very least wanted to be a woman
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He could still be masculine as a woman. He'd just have a slightly prettier face and maybe some long hair and a different VA. That's it. Literally nothing of importance would have to change.
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dancingswan
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:31 pm
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:30 pm
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:27 pm
dont get why some people get so upset about fem kenshin


Because...I like Kenshin as a guy. If Koei got rid of his intriguing masculinity (although his praises and rants about war get annoying)...eugh, I'd just be so pissed if it happened.
You can still be a female and be masculine.
Okay, that's fair enough, but it would really be upsetting if he changed into a girl. I mean I know you guys want it, but...eh, I'll shut up before this turns into an argument....
Edited by Mr. Crusader, Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:34 pm.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:31 pm
i mean
i really doubt he was a woman
but its a fun thign to play around with since the dude was clearly very in touch with his feminine side and probably at th very least wanted to be a woman
It is something fun to imagine, even if it's not reality. But I wouldn't really be shocked if someone dug him up, did genetic testing and said "oh hey guys- Kenshin's biologically a woman". He did enjoy traditionally feminine things. I even have a book here somewhere listing them all off. Like he enjoyed playing the koto and biwa a lot, for example.
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ANOTHER REALLY GOOD THING ABOUT THE ALTERNATE REALITY WHERE THEY MADE KENSHIN A WOMAN IN FIRST GAME

she would ba one of the oblig females in the game so they wou'dnt feel the need to add somone like okiuni to the roster since they'd have already met the female quiote with actually rlevenat poeple
so we would have one less useless character
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:32 pm
Okay, that's fair enough, but it would really be upsetting if he changed into a girl. I mean I know you guys want it, but...eh, I'll shut before this turns into an argument....
He'd literally be the same if he was female, just with breasts that would likely be bound, and female genitalia.

Don't see what's so bad or upsetting about that? He would simply identify as a she.

The reason I like the concept of a female Kenshin is because we would have a proper female leader, a real one. Naotora could've been, but nope. Ginchiyo was, but that was snatched from her. Nene could've taken Yodo's role, but no that would be bad.

Koei games need women in leadership roles direly.

Just realized the first sentence was a little problematic. In this alternate universe, Kenshin is a ciswoman.
Edited by dancingswan, Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:42 pm.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:32 pm
Okay, that's fair enough, but it would really be upsetting if he changed into a girl. I mean I know you guys want it, but...eh, I'll shut before this turns into an argument....
He'd literally be the same if he was female, just with breasts that would likely be bound, and female genitalia.

Don't see what's so bad or upsetting about that? He would simply identify as a she.

The reason I like the concept of a female Kenshin is because we would have a proper female leader, a real one. Naotora could've been, but nope. Ginchiyo was, but that was snatched from her.
:/ Okay...
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I want to see a Female Kenshin and Aya together now. Poor Kagekatsu. :katsu:
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I like Okuni D: I'm glad she's part of the games :unsure:
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Better yet, make Kenshin a transwoman. That I would like to see. Not only give us a woman leader, but add trans representation. :kemari:
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I'd rather have this Yukimura over the lame Koei one any day.
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Naotora in all honesty has the potential to become a legitimate leader in a future title. Based on what I've read about her interactions in the game, she's genuinely fine with being the leader, she just doesn't want to fight, like, ever. Koei has the opportunity to change this, as they have shown in Toyohisa's death cutscene but I'm not sure if they'll take that opportunity. Of course they could just add Naomasa and screw everything up like they did with Ginchiyo.

As long as Muneshige is around though, at most Ginchiyo will get to be co-leader... which isn't a bad thing, but at the same time is a bit unfortunate as she used to be the sole leader.

Koshosho is technically the leader of the "Kosho army" but ehhhh... I don't think that counts, somehow, especially since she melds into the Chosokabe pretty quickly.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:31 pm
i mean
i really doubt he was a woman
but its a fun thign to play around with since the dude was clearly very in touch with his feminine side and probably at th very least wanted to be a woman
It is something fun to imagine, even if it's not reality. But I wouldn't really be shocked if someone dug him up, did genetic testing and said "oh hey guys- Kenshin's biologically a woman". He did enjoy traditionally feminine things. I even have a book here somewhere listing them all off. Like he enjoyed playing the koto and biwa a lot, for example.
no i wouldn't be shocked by that either

but the main reason i think h wasn't a woman is that those uesugi retainers visited him at th shrine he was a monk at and urged him to take his brother's place as head of the uesugi

and i just
really cannot se them getting a woman to be the had of the clan, i eman, jsut look at modern culture and their views in having women in power
the uesugi who knew kenshin was a woman would have had to have been VERY desperate to get rid of kenshin's bro and VERY openminded to have 'her' be head of the uesugi and then on top of that, they trusted her enough to command an army and control the uesugi completely??? its just very odd

not to mention its rather unlikly that a kenshin raised as a female would
A. have been taught and educated on commanding and governing
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B. been allowed to become a priestess/monk instead of marrying somone

doesnt make any snse
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:41 pm
As long as Muneshige is around though, at most Ginchiyo will get to be co-leader... which isn't a bad thing, but at the same time is a bit unfortunate as she used to be the sole leader.
It isn't necessarily the actual role, but how Koei made Ginchiyo so submissive to Muneshige that even if she was technically a co-leader, that their interactions would just give Muneshige all the power.

Koshosho is probably the most feminist friendly character Koei has done to date. She's ambitious, she's manipulative to the point where she practically controls the Miyoshi, and she self-identifies. So I commend Koei on Koshosho, which makes her one of my favorite characters.

Hayakawa also has the makings to be really great, especially if they give her the roles of her brothers, which would in turn make her a leader. While she isn't the most headstrong character, she is definitely not weak.
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I have yet to see Ginchiyo in SW4, but the games following SW3 made it seem like Ginchiyo was still the leader, and Muneshige was her subordinate. And he was ok with that, so long he could do whatever he wanted, yet was still loving and flirtatious with her.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:46 pm
Hayakawa also has the makings to be really great, especially if they give her the roles of her brothers, which would in turn make her a leader. While she isn't the most headstrong character, she is definitely not weak.
N--No. I can understand wanting some female leadership in the games, but wanting Hayakawa to take the roles of her brothers is just...no. Hayakawa's brothers are also on my SW Wishlist, specifically Ujimasa. If Hayakawa took that role, there'd be no point in adding Ujimasa. I wouldn't mind if :kosho: and :tora: starting bringing in female leadership, but :haya: ? :nope: That's asking for a bit too much imho.
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Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:51 pm
I have yet to see Ginchiyo in SW4, but the games following SW3 made it seem like Ginchiyo was still the leader, and Muneshige was her subordinate. And he was ok with that, so long he could do whatever he wanted, yet was still loving and flirtatious with her.
this is the best solution imo
make her the leader and commander, make hiim the warrior commando type

lets her keep ehr odl personality
while not insultingly making muneshige somone's lapdog
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That female Kenshin is gorgeous, btw :wub:

Muneshige and Ginchiyo are fine in Chronicles and in Pokemon Conquest. WO3, though. Just no.
Edited by Katatonia, Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:54 pm.
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