Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Hello and welcome to KOEI Warriors (Forum), the official leading Rank 1 forum of ZetaBoards free online service of thousands of message boards aimed at video gaming; specifically the best KOEI TECMO fan site online! With over 35,000 forum members already a part of the community and millions of comments recorded! Thank you for visiting, we hope you enjoy the message board!

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. By signing up and experiencing KOEI Warriors message board you will have access to features that are member-only such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, voting in recognized polls, and more importantly discussion and the latest news from KOEI TECMO with fellow fans of their products. Our Members Only section via joining will grant you KOEI Warriors graphics, downloads and more.

We also have social network pages on Facebook, Twitter and a videos channel on YouTube, so please find us there.

If you need any help please don't hesitate to ask a member of staff/moderator. Thank you.


Regards,
KOEI Warriors Staff Team


Join our community at KOEI Warriors (Forum)!

Already a member? Welcome back, please login here and enjoy KOEI Warriors (Forum).

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
KOEI Warriors Lounge; Discuss what's on your mind.
Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,560 Views)
Mr. Crusader
Member Avatar
.
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Jäger
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:53 pm
Katatonia
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:51 pm
I have yet to see Ginchiyo in SW4, but the games following SW3 made it seem like Ginchiyo was still the leader, and Muneshige was her subordinate. And he was ok with that, so long he could do whatever he wanted, yet was still loving and flirtatious with her.
this is the best solution imo
make her the leader and commander, make hiim the warrior commando type

lets her keep ehr odl personality
while not insultingly making muneshige somone's lapdog
:yes:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Uesugi Kenshin
Member Avatar
Mewshuji
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Jäger
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:41 pm
Mewshuji
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:34 pm
Jäger
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:31 pm
i mean
i really doubt he was a woman
but its a fun thign to play around with since the dude was clearly very in touch with his feminine side and probably at th very least wanted to be a woman
It is something fun to imagine, even if it's not reality. But I wouldn't really be shocked if someone dug him up, did genetic testing and said "oh hey guys- Kenshin's biologically a woman". He did enjoy traditionally feminine things. I even have a book here somewhere listing them all off. Like he enjoyed playing the koto and biwa a lot, for example.
no i wouldn't be shocked by that either

but the main reason i think h wasn't a woman is that those uesugi retainers visited him at th shrine he was a monk at and urged him to take his brother's place as head of the uesugi

and i just
really cannot se them getting a woman to be the had of the clan, i eman, jsut look at modern culture and their views in having women in power
the uesugi who knew kenshin was a woman would have had to have been VERY desperate to get rid of kenshin's bro and VERY openminded to have 'her' be head of the uesugi and then on top of that, they trusted her enough to command an army and control the uesugi completely??? its just very odd

not to mention its rather unlikly that a kenshin raised as a female would
A. have been taught and educated on commanding and governing
and
B. been allowed to become a priestess/monk instead of marrying somone

doesnt make any snse
Ah, but the fact that she/he was allowed to become a monk (or ... nun?!) rather than being executed by her/his power-hungry elder brother kind of indicates more towards Kenshin being a woman to me. Harukage wasn't exactly the best of dudes after all...

And really, if I were Sadamitsu or the other Nagao retainers, I would've been desperate to get rid of Harukage too, simply given how he was. A civil war without a legitimate heir would've been incredibly costly to Echigo, mostly due to the sheer amount of infighting it would cause... so, simply leaving the service of the Nagao and fighting them wouldn't quite work either. With the two factions just being Harukage or Kagetora, by comparison, it would allow less chances for bloodshed and ruination of farms.

True though that Kagetora likely wouldn't have been given such a proper education, though in fairness he/she was only 7 when he/she was sent off to the temple. Would've mostly only had time to learn how to write/read, which several noblewomen were taught, and been introduced to romantic classics... which notably, Kenshin DID prefer to the likes of "the Three Kingdoms" and other military stories.

:P It's all just suppositions though.

@swan: Hm, honestly, I was toying with writing Kenshin as a FtM transgender (rather, that he's biologically female but identifies as a male), and the sort of feelings he'd face due to it given his time and place in history- but I think it's ambitious enough that I'm trying to investigate his potentially being a woman. I don't want to get in hot water for portraying something inaccurately; you know, other than Kenshin being not a biological male and the undoubted grouchiness I'd get from academics.

On that note, Gods planning for a novel is hard, especially a historical one. Each time I think I got a plot lined up, I have to change it up again because another event flies in my face. I feel like I might have to eventually just say "screw it" and call for more poetic licence than simply making Kenshin a woman.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dancingswan
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Crusader14
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:52 pm
N--No. I can understand wanting some female leadership in the games, but wanting Hayakawa to take the roles of her brothers is just...no. Hayakawa's brothers are also on my SW Wishlist, specifically Ujimasa. If Hayakawa took that role, there'd be no point in adding Ujimasa. I wouldn't mind if :kosho: and :tora: starting bringing in female leadership, but :haya: ? :nope: That's asking for a bit too much imho.
Ujimasa is an awful add on his own. Add it to what Hayakawa offers and you instantly get "Ujimasa" just in Hayakawa, but in this instance she's likable and cute.
Katatonia
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:53 pm
That female Kenshin is gorgeous, btw :wub:

Muneshige and Ginchiyo are fine in Chronicles and in Pokemon Conquest. WO3, though. Just no.
Their relationship in Conquest was perfect.

Muneshige was still tossing shade as he usually does, and Ginchiyo is back to her SW2 self telling him to like eat her fist. It was cute.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DMRevolution
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  * ]
:kosho: Eat her first..

Oh fist.
Edited by DMRevolution, Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:00 pm.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

If she were made the leader Ujimasa could just do what Hayakawa is doing now :o Problem solved :santa:
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mr. Crusader
Member Avatar
.
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
dancingswan
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:56 pm
Crusader14
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:52 pm
N--No. I can understand wanting some female leadership in the games, but wanting Hayakawa to take the roles of her brothers is just...no. Hayakawa's brothers are also on my SW Wishlist, specifically Ujimasa. If Hayakawa took that role, there'd be no point in adding Ujimasa. I wouldn't mind if :kosho: and :tora: starting bringing in female leadership, but :haya: ? :nope: That's asking for a bit too much imho.
Ujimasa is an awful add on his own. Add it to what Hayakawa and you instantly get "Ujimasa" just in Hayakawa, but in this instance she's likable and cute.
Okay.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

BEGIN DUEL WITH LEXIS YAOI

o-ok
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Katatonia
Member Avatar
destroy.erase.improve

DMRevolution
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:59 pm
:kosho: Eat her first..

Oh fist.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Uesugi Kenshin
Member Avatar
Mewshuji
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
dancingswan
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:46 pm
Mewshuji
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:41 pm
As long as Muneshige is around though, at most Ginchiyo will get to be co-leader... which isn't a bad thing, but at the same time is a bit unfortunate as she used to be the sole leader.
It isn't necessarily the actual role, but how Koei made Ginchiyo so submissive to Muneshige that even if she was technically a co-leader, that their interactions would just give Muneshige all the power.
[...]
Hayakawa also has the makings to be really great, especially if they give her the roles of her brothers, which would in turn make her a leader. While she isn't the most headstrong character, she is definitely not weak.
Thanks for typing it up like that, that actually... describes my feelings pretty succinctly, to be honest. I'm not the best with describing my personal feelings on a matter, so I thank you for that.

And hey, I'm all for Hayakawa representing later-Imagawa and later-Hojo. Ujimasa is kinda boring beyond his conquests, which Hayakawa could easily handle. There's really no need for any more Hojo except maybe Soun and Genan, the former being before the games' time, and the latter of which kinda already having his advisory role taken by Kotaro.

Jäger
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:53 pm
Katatonia
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:51 pm
I have yet to see Ginchiyo in SW4, but the games following SW3 made it seem like Ginchiyo was still the leader, and Muneshige was her subordinate. And he was ok with that, so long he could do whatever he wanted, yet was still loving and flirtatious with her.
this is the best solution imo
make her the leader and commander, make hiim the warrior commando type

lets her keep ehr odl personality
while not insultingly making muneshige somone's lapdog
:goodpost:

Katatonia
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:53 pm
That female Kenshin is gorgeous, btw :wub:

Muneshige and Ginchiyo are fine in Chronicles and in Pokemon Conquest. WO3, though. Just no.

Isn't she just? ;w;

Yeah, I noticed that too. It makes me a bit leery though- did Chronicles come out first or WO3? I forget.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

Mewshuji
 
There's really no need for any more Hojo except maybe Soun and Genan, the former being before the games' time, and the latter of which kinda already having his advisory role taken by Kotaro.
b-but
hojo tsunashige!!!!!
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Katatonia
Member Avatar
destroy.erase.improve

Good question, Mew. I think Chronicles did. Maybe.


Psh. Best Hojo add is Benchiyo Fukushima.
Edited by Katatonia, Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:04 pm.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LittleDragonZ
Member Avatar
ReVeluv

Cry baby Kobayakawa for SM5. :kosho:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dancingswan
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Mewshuji
Fri Apr 4, 2014 10:55 pm
@swan: Hm, honestly, I was toying with writing Kenshin as a FtM transgender (rather, that he's biologically female but identifies as a male), and the sort of feelings he'd face due to it given his time and place in history- but I think it's ambitious enough that I'm trying to investigate his potentially being a woman. I don't want to get in hot water for portraying something inaccurately; you know, other than Kenshin being not a biological male and the undoubted grouchiness I'd get from academics.

On that note, Gods planning for a novel is hard, especially a historical one. Each time I think I got a plot lined up, I have to change it up again because another event flies in my face. I feel like I might have to eventually just say "screw it" and call for more poetic licence than simply making Kenshin a woman.
Basara had the makings of making their Kenshin trans, which with their Kenshin would've been great because of Kasuga, since a common misconception of trans is that it determines your sexual preference, when it really doesn't. Capcom just didn't realize how brilliant that would've been. :kurokan:

Koei's Kenshin, however, I like the idea of being trans more. It just... would be amazing.

BUT NOOOOOOO. Too amazing I guess.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Angelic Linca
Member Avatar
Blue Sunshine of Wei
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
:mori: I see swan is using silly UK slang too.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dancingswan
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
SHADE IS GLOBAL.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

LittleDragonZ
Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:04 pm
Cry baby Kobayakawa for SM5. :kosho:
No.

we only needed one kobayakawa
no need for another
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Angelic Linca
Member Avatar
Blue Sunshine of Wei
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
:hehe: Only during eclipses.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Uesugi Kenshin
Member Avatar
Mewshuji
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Jäger
Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:02 pm
b-but hojo tsunashige!!!!!
Honestly never heard of him until now, but...
"He was known for his soldiers' yellow uniforms, along with outstandingly creative banners"
I like him. Sengoku Zhang He perhaps?

Katatonia
Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:03 pm
Good question, Mew. I think Chronicles did. Maybe.
Eugh. I hope the WO3 team was just behind the times then. I'd hate it if Ginchiyo is still Muneshige's lapdog.

Though, maybe since they gave us Muneshige's dad, it's a good sign? Since they don't then have to rely on just Ginchiyo to give him character development, they don't have to devolve her into a tsundere yes-man.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

we dont need another zhang he
**** that
Quote Post Goto Top
 
dancingswan
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
I hereby decree that for as long as Hojo gets adds, they are to be female. :mori:
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DMRevolution
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  * ]
dancingswan
Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:09 pm
I hereby decree that for as long as Hojo gets adds, they are to be female. :mori:
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LittleDragonZ
Member Avatar
ReVeluv

Hojo needs more awesome like Ujiyasu.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Uesugi Kenshin
Member Avatar
Mewshuji
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
dancingswan
Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:04 pm
Basara had the makings of making their Kenshin trans, which with their Kenshin would've been great because of Kasuga, since a common misconception of trans is that it determines your sexual preference, when it really doesn't. Capcom just didn't realize how brilliant that would've been. :kurokan:

Koei's Kenshin, however, I like the idea of being trans more. It just... would be amazing.

BUT NOOOOOOO. Too amazing I guess.
Honestly? Romi Park nor KobaP have ever been up front about Kenshin's gender when asked. It's also come to my attention that they never actually use gender-specific pronouns for him... It could very well be that he's a transgender, they just don't think the Japanese public is ready or Capcom doesn't want them to tell anyone outside of development or something. IDK.

Eh, SW Kenshin's fine as he is, if a bit boring (in that we've seen that type of character as a male leader archetype over and over), but the wasted potential is certainly saddening, yes.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
dancingswan
Member Avatar

[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Suikeiin. Could function as a temporary Imagawa if need be, could be as awesome as Ujiyasu. Plus she would have to explain how Hayakawa got her black hair and blue eyes.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Angelic Linca
Member Avatar
Blue Sunshine of Wei
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
LittleDragonZ
Fri Apr 4, 2014 11:11 pm
Hojo needs more awesome like Ujiyasu.
Hayakawa :haya:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
6 users reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Free Forums with no limits on posts or members.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Fun Area · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Composed & Designed by, ©KOEI Warriors, 2005-2017. All rights reserved.