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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,978,408 Views)
NaoHonda Kaishosho
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The way to fix this fixer upper is to fix him up with you!
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Astus
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:24 am
Eni
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:20 am
Its like, totally consensual in the books. 0 rape
What!?
I checked on the wiki to get the whole story and...

Yeah, it seems completely new to the TV show.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Drogo
"Finally Drogo leads Daenerys off to consummate the marriage. A thirteen-year-old girl who had been abused by her brother for most of her life and had been given no say in the marriage, Daenerys is terrified of her bridegroom and expects to be raped. Despite his fierce reputation, however, Drogo proves to be a surprisingly considerate lover. Although he and Dany share no common language, he establishes that he understood the word "no," then begins touching her gently. He does not begin to have intercourse with her until Dany expresses her consent and initiates it.[2] This tender wedding night set the tone for their marriage, which becomes a remarkably happy one."

vs the show
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Drogo
"Daenerys begins learning the Dothraki language from her handmaid Irri and seeks advice from her handmaid, Doreah, on how to best please him in bed whilst establishing her own power over him using her sexuality. Combining these skills, she makes Drogo respect her as an equal."
NaoHonda Kaishosho
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:26 am
The way to fix this fixer upper is to fix him up with you!
STOP NO THAT IS SUCH A CREEPY SONG FOR HOW CATCHY IT IS

I hope the Broadway show highlights that.
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:27 am.
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Eni
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Carl was really sweet in the books, I was surprised.
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I dunno, maybe the show has warped my memory of the book but I remember her wanting it to not happen at all.
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:26 am
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:25 am
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:23 am
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:17 am
dancingswan
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:16 am
Khal Drogo grew on me. He was scum at the beginning, but now he's making me really sad.
Why did they even have to make a rape scene? I have no idea.
That's what the Dothraki do, lol. The Dany/Drogo 'love' thing is disturbing on many levels even if she begins to gain more agency towards the end.
except in the books she ****ed him?????????? first chapter, ends with her climbing ontop of him and sexing his world up, making it a rape scenes is totally unecessary and they only did it caus ehte head writers totally get off on that ****, they're gross people
She does do that in the show, afterwards, though.
yes later, but in the book she did that the first time, and drogo refused to rape her as well.
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NaoHonda Kaishosho
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Aw I love it! Though nothing will beat the first time in forever reprise, oh goodness that scene gives me chills.
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Astus
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:28 am
I dunno, maybe the show has warped my memory of the book but I remember her wanting it to not happen at all.
it has, cause it wasn't rape in the books.
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I dunno, maybe the show has warped my memory of the book but I remember her wanting it to not happen at all.
She was unsure at first, she totally gives consent afterwards near the end of the chapter.

Carl saying "No" constantly till she says "yes".
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:25 am
:no: It's almost 8:30 and still no halfling.
Wut? :kosho:
You've been away for too long.
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Why are we waiting or a halfling? Have you people lost your goram minds!?
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Apparently the actor for Oberyn is actually pretty great.

Im pleased on so many levels.
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GambitCajun
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
Have you people lost your goram minds!?
Did you just notice that?
Edited by Mr. Crusader, Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:32 am.
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
GambitCajun
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
Why are we waiting or a halfling? Have you people lost your goram minds!?
Did you just notice that?
Not an answer for why we're waiting for a halfling!
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I would imagine they did it to convey how fragile she was living among this rather barbaric society. You can explain all that in words in the books, have to use other means in tv and film. Not EVERYTHING could or should be translated into visual media.

It's not like the Dothraki are some upstanding, civilized, society...can't really expect this hard ass of a man to lay out roses for her and draw her a bath before asking if he can kiss her.
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Eni
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
Apparently the actor for Oberyn is actually pretty great.

Im pleased on so many levels.
he is
his scene was absolutely amazing.
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NaoHonda Kaishosho
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:29 am
Aw I love it! Though nothing will beat the first time in forever reprise, oh goodness that scene gives me chills.
It's just like...
To me, the trolls are forcing them together when she's in the middle of dying and like... it just makes me feel very uncomfortable. It is a lovely song, just in context it's creepy. They value hitching up their human pet more than his or Anna's happiness or her life. Especially the dying from frozen heart thing.

I can certainly see why you like it though and think there's nothing wrong with that. :)
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:32 am
I would imagine they did it to convey how fragile she was living among this rather barbaric society. You can explain all that in words in the books, have to use other means in tv and film. Not EVERYTHING could or should be translated into visual media.

It's not like the Dothraki are some upstanding, civilized, society...can't really expect this hard ass of a man to lay out roses for her and draw her a bath before asking if he can kiss her.
that is a really shitty excuse for degrading a character by making him rape somone, and by degrading another character by taking away her agency and making her get raped
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GambitCajun
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:32 am
Crusader14
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
GambitCajun
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
Why are we waiting or a halfling? Have you people lost your goram minds!?
Did you just notice that?
Not an answer for why we're waiting for a halfling!
Because they really are amazing creatures.
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But in terrible writing world rape=DRaMa!!1!1




And WHY are we waiting for one? Last I checked they didn't exist outside of fantasy novels.
Edited by GambitCajun, Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:35 am.
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Are you lot talking about when Dragon lady married Drogo?
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GambitCajun
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
GambitCajun
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:31 am
Why are we waiting or a halfling? Have you people lost your goram minds!?
Did you just notice that?
Not an answer for why we're waiting for a halfling!
What if I said I wasn't trying to answer you? And if you wanna know that, ask Cebby-chan :mago:
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:32 am
I would imagine they did it to convey how fragile she was living among this rather barbaric society. You can explain all that in words in the books, have to use other means in tv and film. Not EVERYTHING could or should be translated into visual media.

It's not like the Dothraki are some upstanding, civilized, society...can't really expect this hard ass of a man to lay out roses for her and draw her a bath before asking if he can kiss her.
If the scene added something to either character, then I wouldn't have minded as much. It was already stated and shown with the fight at their wedding that the Dothraki's are savage in nature. The scene served no purpose and tore their relationship up before it actually started.
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:33 am
NaoHonda Kaishosho
Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:29 am
Aw I love it! Though nothing will beat the first time in forever reprise, oh goodness that scene gives me chills.
It's just like...
To me, the trolls are forcing them together when she's in the middle of dying and like... it just makes me feel very uncomfortable. It is a lovely song, just in context it's creepy. They value hitching up their human pet more than his or Anna's happiness or her life. Especially the dying from frozen heart thing.

I can certainly see why you like it though and think there's nothing wrong with that. :)
He actually gave warning about how inappropriate they are, so I think that was the writers just truly portraying their personality.

Not creepy! It was sweet :P
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 2:34 am
Are you lot talking about when Dragon lady married Drogo?
:o You live in the UK :yes: Now I know for sure :shifty:


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Apparently the actor for Oberyn is actually pretty great.

Im pleased on so many levels.
he is
his scene was absolutely amazing.
This makes me so happy.

Thank you.
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