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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,976,034 Views)
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dancingswan
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:01 pm
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The big 3 companies(SM, JYP, YG) are all sketchy sometimes, moreso SM and YG.
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:02 pm
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- Nocon
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:23 pm
@Selli: I will try not to throw too many at you at once! I will somehow contain my feels, I swarz. OuO Also, wow, I don't recognize any of those, but that's not too surprising, haha. My K-drama knowledge is really crappy. :p
@VV: Cool beans. I've been meaning to start watching K-dramas, but every time I look up, one of my groups has some show going on, or there are radio things I need to catch up on. I've been told about a few that are really good, but the only name I can remember is Reply 1997...
@LDZ: You go, boy. Enjoy them jams. o/
On a YouTube playlist now after picking through the tracks. And enjoying the jams.
- dancingswan
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:31 pm
- Selli
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:01 pm
Swan, do you know what Red Light is about?  Do they want someone to stop doing something? Or is it more like "You can't do this"? Or something completely different? XD
The original sample was about giving a guy the "red light". But SM(their company) is infamous for changing the meaning of the song completely. It's best if you watch the MV to actually understand what the meaning is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-8-EgPEY0Spoiler: click to toggle The MV begins with a phone ringing, waiting to be answered. Just remember the phone is doing that as it gets important at the end.
Krystal is seen burning a book. I highly doubt it’s a bible as some people suggested since SM Entertainment rarely does anything particularly rebel or risk losing fans with controversial MVs (not to mention South Korea is predominately Protestant & Catholic). It’s most likely just a normal book. Books are seen as old media, something of the past as well as order and conventional rules. Hence, most revolutionaries or demonstrators like burning books and things like that to show they want change. The burning of the book symbolizes that f(x) is trying to break the old and do something new. The phone ringing might also lead us to think they are burning a telephone book, hence breaking contacts of those of the past/people they used to contact with the phone. This is a plausible theory as you will see at the end although I think phone books are usually a lot thicker.
We see a cat with different colored eyes. One is blue and the other is yellow. For people with cats or experts in cats, kittens have blue colored eyes which slowly change to yellow/brown/orange/green/amber between 3-8 weeks of age. Hence it suggests a change in age, a period of becoming mature like the f(x) girls with this more mature concept.
We then hear military march sounds quickly changing between images of the girls as a group (like a squadron) in a red light room in military uniforms to individual images of themselves with individuality. The members all get different lighting and effects while their group shots are all under strong red lights, symbolizing the order & lack of individuality of a regimented past contrasting with the mature new concept that showcases each member differently.
We see the red lights themselves clearly with those police “DO NOT CROSS” tapes, suggesting that the girls are talking about the STOP sort of red lights, showing the the red light most likely symbolizes a force that tells to them to stay the same.
The girls begin dancing in the confines of a room like their old MVs, except there is an acknowledgement of an outside world as seen with the windows with sun light shining through. This suggests that the girls are actually trapped from going further and breaking boundaries (unlike the days when we fans said they were trapped in a room by SM).
Krystal begins singing with a military jacket on but jewelry uniquely placed on her head and face with bright clear lights opposed to the red light. This shows she is slowly changing herself from the army look which is starting to symbolize the old f(x). To further show she is changing, she only has mascara on one eye, similar to the maturing cat with different eye colors.
As if to drive the point further, her lyrics say “Hey wait a minute, the weak gets eaten, under the rule of the jungle” and in this case it is clear the jungle is the entertainment industry, where every idol group must be the best to stay. This sets the stage that the song/MV is indeed about their growth and evolution to come in the world of K-pop.
Sulli continues this point with the attire and lighting, with her lyrics being "Just get pushed ahead, yeah, pushed ahead. Oops, I get stepped on though”, reinforcing the competitive and fast paced nature of their idol lives.
Luna leads the girls through room as if to escape, while red rays shoot at them. She notes the red lights in her lines and wonders "I don’t even know what’s wrong with the situation right now.” Red lights are generally used as warning of sorts which Victoria confirms with her line "Listen carefully to the whoever is trying to warn us.”
This suggests that they are trying to change but whenever they try they are made to stop. While I highly doubt SM would make a song about themselves not letting the girls grow up (which I think some of us fans would agree is true), they are most likely talking about the general public, like people in the K-pop industry or some fans or netizens etc. who did not want them to change their style and play it safe staying in their “LaChaTa”/ “Nu Abo” etc. days forever which may have been why their Pink Tape album was awesome and unique but they opted for the very f(x)-y “Rum Pum Pum Pum” as the title song.
Krystal then sings about trying to breathe and we see her alone in the big empty warehouse set looking longingly at the outside world, as well as a sad looking Amber shot in the warehouse. The pressure on them is building up like the song’s build up itself (also like suffocating them as seen with the breathing line) as they have to decide if they should continue their old style or try something new, weighing it all.
Krystal puts her hat on (I am starting to think SM loves using fedoras as a symbol of stepping up the game since SNSD's “Mr.Mr.”) and we see a light bulb bursting with energy symbolising they made their choice - they are breaking the boundaries with new ideas and concepts (you know like the thinking light bulb…)
The girls drum away like the way we do before a big secret reveal and DROPS THE BASS. They are breaking out, with very fitting fist pumping choreo and lyrics:
Open your eyes wide hun
Stop the collision right now
It’s happening right now
(You’ll be a witness to change that’s happenin’)
In front of that, caterpillar, that got pushed around like you
(When everything sinks in)
Yes, there’s the caterpillar everyone was wondering about. I think it’s very fitting to describe themselves as a caterpillar that has been pushed around since they are about to mature and bloom into beautiful butterflies but aside from that you can picture some little boy pushing a caterpillar with a stick. It’s vulnerable, it’s young. Seriously KBS, it’s not the construction equipment company.
Also note they are no longer hit by red light but a much more neutral and calming blue light. They sing about the growing red light in the chorus as if challenging the haters to come at them because they broke out and they won’t care.
Luna begins her lines about weak excuses a boy (the red light hater people) make about why she can’t change. We see a pinkish red light hitting her as her badass fashion just got up-ed another level. We also see while she has a strong mascara-ed eye, unlike Krystal her other eye is not totally makeup-less but starting to get some eye liner too, showing the change is happening. This contrasts with the red light version of her. Amber also gets a similar moment. This is followed by an explosion of colors - the pinkish red light color along with yellow, the cat eye color of maturity.
Krystal is shown leading a march when the red lights are gone, while saying they and the fans (the “you” in the lyrics) need to find an emergency exit aka let’s escape out of here.
We then a see a big brother TV with the mannequins all programmed to follow along. Victoria sings about why something suddenly stopped them again, suggesting mass media, which controls what people think and perceive of them, again, did not want them to change.
This is followed by an eye focused on by the red light, symbolising their vision was blocked out by the views of others. A flower is then exploded, suggesting something they thought they made which was beautiful was shot down.
The song builds up as before again but this time we see the girls out in the open in black and white, as if they perceive the great escape as something they long for, without the red lights or whatever lights shining on them, just a white backdrop with endless possibilities for them. Luna leads the members to do a hand flick at the lyrics “Try to find what’s important now”, as if to flip open a new page.
We see people with gas masks coming out of the red light chasing the girls as they escape the warehouse. Some people suggested the gas masks were to shield themselves from being influenced by the girls which I guess can make sense in that they don’t want change and they don’t want the girls to influence them into buying it. Aside from that I think it is possible that is symbolizes the critics in the industry and haters online - they never show their faces, hiding under their anonymousness while trying to put down the girls whenever they can.
The background of the next dance scene shows lines that seem to be a part of a complex puzzle, unlocking as they dance on, showing them breaking through and change is occurring. Krystal now has an eye patch on the eye that had full on mascara as if hiding it until she fully changes. Amber’s eye liner/mascara game also gets up-ed as her two eyes begin to become more similar make up wise.
The girls run on but turn their heads back to notice the red light turning into blue. They also continue dancing in blue light scenes. As aforementioned, the blue light symbolizes a softer approach to them, most likely fans and those who will still love them even when they change and mature.
Krystal sings of waiting for such a miracle with her jewelry game up-ed and Amber singing for waiting for the blue light to come. Luna sings they want it now as we see a house blow up backwards.
Some people suggested this was “repairing” the house which is plausible but it might be not exactly repairing but showing that instead of destroying themselves as some people think their change in style/concept would, they will actually make it better.
The girls march gloriously out of the red light as we see that both the cats’ eyes have turned yellow, showing that the change/growing up has been completed. Krystal now has an eyepatch on the other eye, showing both eyes have become the same while in the individual member cuts like Sulli’s, we see the eyeliner and mascara is now on point for both eyes.
The MV ends with the burning book being closed, showing it’s the end of an era. We also hear the phone still ringing, showing they never answered it. They are not going to answer aka meet the expectations of critics or haters or people who want them to stay the same. The poster that shows them like wanted criminals also shows they won’t care about the consequences. tl;dr: It's about them maturing/metamorphisizing, while simultaneously pointing out the problems with Korea's idol industry or rather the public's view on idols.
That was beautiful, Ae.
- Katatonia
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:32 pm
- LittleDragonZ
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:21 pm
Nobody disturb me. Listening to f(x). HEYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!@Nocon: 
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Al Hajjaj ibn Yusuf
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:03 pm
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- WeaveSnatcher No Mae
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:59 pm
- pang nuan
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:56 pm
- WeaveSnatcher No Mae
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:51 pm
I just want dubs cut completely
now that not nice bro
Deal with it or leave it boo. Dubs in these games are so ugly. nope I disagree there many good dub I like it
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Ahsoka Tano
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:04 pm
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Well that's great Hun but I'd be happier without them, just a difference in opinion
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Eni
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:04 pm
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I want SW2 dub back.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:05 pm
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- WeaveSnatcher No Mae
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 8:59 pm
Dubs in these games are so ugly. "*in my opinion." Fixed that for you.
Sorry, friend, but I find myself much preferring several dub voices (Lianshi, Xiaoqiao, Bao, Wenji, Nouhime in SW1/3, Da Ji, Himiko, Cao Cao, Sun Ce, etc.) to the Japanese ones. The only Japanese voices I much prefer to the English ones are Wang Yi, Jiang Wei (only because his dub voice is so horrible) and Hanbei (holy crap stop giving Yuri roles like that, he does not sound that young!). Everything else is either they're both bad, both good, or dub's better.
Yes, in my opinion as well.
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Ahsoka Tano
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:06 pm
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Mew I'm talking for myself and no one else, I'm very aware it's my opinion. I don't need you fixing anything thanks.
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Eni
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:06 pm
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DUB LIANSHI SUCKS.
Because "my, my" will never be as good as good old "ara ara"
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LittleDragonZ
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:07 pm
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I didn't mind Fi. But was probably more because I liked Fi's music.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:08 pm
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>_> Sorry. I'm just very touchy about this subject.
Eni, she barely says ara~ara in the first place!
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dancingswan
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:09 pm
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Adding "in my opinion" to something that's clearly is an opinion is goofy, Mew. 
I like Koei's JP dub better simply because there's a lot more variety.
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Ahsoka Tano
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:09 pm
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Well don't be, I don't like dubs and that's that, I have as much right to say that as you do saying you like them. Sorry Hun but people can't agree to everything always :p
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:09 pm
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DW5 dub was the best ever.
I don't mind of they dub it or not. But if they dub it they should dub well or better not to dub it then.
SW2 has good dubs.
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Eni
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:10 pm
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- Mewshuji
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:08 pm
>_> Sorry. I'm just very touchy about this subject.
Eni, she barely says ara~ara in the first place! She does it everytime she gets knocked down and does a somersault.
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dancingswan
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:11 pm
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DW5 dub had squeaky Xingcai. No thank you.
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Al Hajjaj ibn Yusuf
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:11 pm
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I find dubs great in dw and wo too they did good job for it I like it lol lian shi dub good too and wang yi and jiang wei and hanbei too lol miss hideyoshi voice in wo
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Ahsoka Tano
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:12 pm
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DW6 was my favourite dub, there wasn't a lot of it.
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:12 pm
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Oh my god DW5 Xingcai.
Even more jarring since DW5 for Xbox did have JP voice track so the change was like. Really goddamn huge.
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:12 pm
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WO dubs are terrible
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:13 pm
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- dancingswan
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:11 pm
DW5 dub had squeaky Xingcai. No thank you. Don't forget Zhongda. Ewwwwwww.
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:14 pm
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- dancingswan
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:09 pm
Adding "in my opinion" to something that's clearly is an opinion is goofy, Mew.  I like Koei's JP dub better simply because there's a lot more variety. I... I know. In retrospect I was a fool. And I dunno, they re-use VAs a lot too. Certainly not as much as Wendee Lee, but still.
- WeaveSnatcher No Mae
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:09 pm
Well don't be, I don't like dubs and that's that, I have as much right to say that as you do saying you like them. Sorry Hun but people can't agree to everything always :p ... I... I know. I just really like dubs okay? Excepting like Vic, all the people involved in them are nice folks, and most of the reason I go to cons anyway...
- Eni
- Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:10 pm
She does it everytime she gets knocked down and does a somersault.
... Wait what. Does she do that in 7 Empires?
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:15 pm
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Ew DW7 Lianshi. And no its on DW8.
And ew DW7 Lianshi again.
Edited by Eni, Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:16 pm.
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:16 pm
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wo was not terrible I like it lol also the they did great for it I never know about jp option but I didn't care I like dubs
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Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:16 pm
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I swear some people...
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Oh the Fancy Pattern Vivillion goal was reached and its up for grabs now, cool!
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