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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,974,551 Views)
Uesugi Kenshin
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That's fair enough but you sure as **** don't make that obvious. Further, I would argue that, while yes Naotora's design and personality clash a lot, Lianshi's design lends itself well to her maternal-type personality. Save for her original DW7 outfit, her outfits tend to, while highlighting her curves and natural beauty, are elegant and not overtly revealing.

I think most people who dislike Lianshi were turned off of her in DW7 because of her outfit and didn't pay a lick of attention to her, and then in DW8 as she didn't do much think she's vapid or something. But she's not. She's a really, really cool person.
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:45 am
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:41 am
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:36 am
You guys are interpreting the term fanservice way too liberally.
Did you know that the word romance once meant simple and common but now means emotional love.
I'll accept that. I can understand that words and phrases change meaning over time. The term "literally" is often used nowadays in casual conversation to LITERALLY mean the exact opposite of literally. People use it to say "figuratively" and while that is wrong from a standpoint of original meaning, I can understand it.

In the case of the term "fanservice," I think it's extremely dangerous to apply it in the open-ended manner in which people are suggesting. The reason I think it is dangerous is because it completely waters down the meaning of the term. If fanservice is anything that appeals to fans then, as Erminaz suggested, "everything is fanservice." If that's the case, fanservice is paradoxically nothing. It loses all meaning whatsoever since everything is fanservice. A word or phrase has meaning based on its negative value. If everything can be considered fanservice, then fanservice has no meaning.

If, however, we conclude that fanservice has to do with the sexualizing of both male and female characters, we can cite specific examples of fanservice since we have a clear view of what exactly constitutes fanservice. This is because we know what isn't fanservice and therefore have a better idea exactly what is fanservice. The negative value of the phrase is significant.
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Just to reiterate my point, worded better, for anyone else who missed it earlier

I was actually criticising the use of the term "fanservice" by people who want to pick out certain things they consider to be "fanservice", while missing the point that the whole thing they are buying has been made to be marketable. Therefore making the whole thing "fanservice" by their rules.

That was what I meant, it's a stupid term because it can be applied to the whole product. And as Richard said, it doesn't have to be "sexy" to be fanservice, there are many different kinds.
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Erminaz
Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:52 am
That was what I meant, it's a stupid term because it can be applied to the whole product.
contextually the term makes no sense when applied to things outside the narative because it has nothing to do with gameplay
you would have to take the literal meaning of the words fan and service rather than the implied meaning of the term
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Good morning!
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I hope it rains tomorrow. I'm in the mood for rain.
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Erminaz
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Anyone in the UK who has used a PureGym, are they any good?

Got one near me and I want to check it out :)
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I want to propose to Idris Elba. Need to buy a ring.
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Idris Elba is amazing. Did he do something to prompt this proposal swan or are ya just being a fan? o:
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Mewshuji
Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:49 am
That's fair enough but you sure as **** don't make that obvious. Further, I would argue that, while yes Naotora's design and personality clash a lot, Lianshi's design lends itself well to her maternal-type personality. Save for her original DW7 outfit, her outfits tend to, while highlighting her curves and natural beauty, are elegant and not overtly revealing.

I think most people who dislike Lianshi were turned off of her in DW7 because of her outfit and didn't pay a lick of attention to her, and then in DW8 as she didn't do much think she's vapid or something. But she's not. She's a really, really cool person.
That's a fair enough point, in truth her design interested me in DW7, I had moments where I enjoyed her in DW7. Then in DW8 she just didn't give me anything, other than win the award for "Most seen name in camp conversations".

Conversation 1

Soldier 1: "Did you see Sun Quan today, wow didn't he look happy"
Soldier 2: "Ohhh yes, he did, I think he's fallen in love"
Soldier 1: "Oh really, I want to be in love too"

Cnversation 2

Soldier 1: "Did you see the Princess's bodyguard today"
Soldier 2: "Yeah, she looked happy, I've heard she likes to spend time with the Princess's Brother"
Soldier 1: "Oh really, I did not know that at all"

They are just examples but seriously I do an awful lot of hearing about her and I'm already fully aware Sun Quan is in love with her. Yet do I actually see the two of them do anything together especially in DW8, not really at all. Also when she is on screen, I do feel she leaves a very wet and boring impression. Just my opinion of course :/ .
Edited by The Outsider, Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:05 am.
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ReVeluv

Haribo rings are perfect for proposing.
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Mewshuji
Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:02 am
Idris Elba is amazing. Did he do something to prompt this proposal swan or are ya just being a fan? o:
Yeah he did.

By being extra sexy.
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hey hey u u i dont lyk ur girlfriend
:dance:
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A dowry of Sour Patch Kids as well.
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:04 am
A dowry of Sour Patch Kids as well.
Sakura is my Maid of Honor. She gets me.
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Lil'Richard
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I think I have a Ring Pop somewhere.
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Eni
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Okay now to wait 142 minutes till it downloads. :asia:
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Persevere Eni. It's worth it. :asia:
Gonna start on WO3:U avatars. Just cause.
Edited by dancingswan, Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:06 am.
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*Sees Tadakatsu as a Recommended Team member.*

Not going to lose this.

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Eni
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Gonna play 360 in the meantime. :asia:
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A dowry of Sour Patch Kids as well.
Sakura is my Maid of Honor. She gets me.
VV and Alice are Bridesmaids and Selli is Flower Girl :yes:
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Eh, I think she's honestly one of the more fleshed out DW females, let alone characters. In spite of camp convos seeming to revolve around her and Quan, she's got her own character outside of being a waifu, which is more than can be said about, say, Da Qiao, current SSX, current Zhenji and current Yueying, who can't seem to shut up about their husbands.
dancingswan
Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:03 am
Mewshuji
Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:02 am
Idris Elba is amazing. Did he do something to prompt this proposal swan or are ya just being a fan? o:
Yeah he did.

By being extra sexy.
:sly: Ohohoho~
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gonna crash swan's wedding with Denzel movies
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Lianshi/Lu Meng BFFS needs to be canon. At least the way I write them together. Them pulling pranks on each other, her beating him up with Taishi Ci's weapons, etc. He's a total asshole and she completely follows him being the brawn of his strategies.

COME ON IT'S PERFECT.
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Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:15 am
gonna crash swan's wedding with Denzel movies
Ow. That's awful.

@Kat: All Wu strategists are assholes, but they are total Mean Girls about it.

"Wow Lu Meng that's a great strategy!"

*behind his back* "OMG can you believe he came up with that? Like, so unoriginal."
Edited by Lil'Richard, Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:19 am.
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