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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:24 pm Post #215901 |
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| SAMURAIWARRIOR 2010 | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:27 pm Post #215902 |
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Sanada Yukimura knight
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I wonder if anyone else is going to post for SW4 theme contest I would but my tablet doesn't like gimp. LDZ:
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:29 pm Post #215903 |
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Will never happen to me. Forums loves me. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:29 pm Post #215904 |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:36 pm Post #215905 |
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Ghostbusters about to spray Statue of Liberty with the slime.
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| Meliel | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:37 pm Post #215906 |
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Naotora... better than Noh, Oichi and Ginchiyo... I'm dying here, this is a joke right? |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:40 pm Post #215907 |
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I think it has to do with mods hiding posts but not deleting them. The posts still exist for us, since we can see them so they still count, but the page number has to stay the same for everyone? idk, just a guess. |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:42 pm Post #215908 |
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Oh.. I guess.
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| Benzod | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:43 pm Post #215909 |
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Mods not doing their jobs properly
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:46 pm Post #215910 |
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Mewshuji
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Not at all. Muneshige effectively neutered Ginchiyo. SW2 Ginchiyo would not run back to Muneshige after he told her to escape just to tear up in his arms. She would run back and kick everyone's asses and show Muneshige what a pompous fool he is, then pet him on the head. Oichi can't stop fawning over Nagamasa long enough to do anything other than fawning over him. Compare to Nene, Inahime, and Kunoichi, who are actually very proactive in spite of their fawning over their lovers. Compare to Oichi, Nouhime, Matsu and Kasuga in SB as well, who actively do things in spite of being deeply in love with their partners. Nouhime I admit I never paid much attention to after SW2E so I could be wrong about her. I liked her in Chronicles fwiw, but I'm slowly growing to accept the Chronicles portrayals are not accurate to the main series. I always got the impression after SW1 that she was just Nobunaga army candy akin to Zhenji with Cao Pi. Definitely has potential but not allowed it. Naotora, while overly worried and scared, at least does stuff on her own without ditching her responsibilities to cry over someone. |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:47 pm Post #215911 |
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confirmed. mods just sweep problems under the rug |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:49 pm Post #215912 |
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Maybe.
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:51 pm Post #215913 |
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What a clean sweep! |
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| tmma1869 | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:53 pm Post #215914 |
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dat opening theme though |
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:54 pm Post #215915 |
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Ae for next Sherlock. |
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| Meliel | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:06 pm Post #215916 |
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Your bias is showing and it's ridiculous. I'll tell you what each of these women have over Naotora. They each make choices according to what they want to do with their lives, Naotora, according to word of the creators themselves, is forced and that she never actually makes a decision to do something for herself is in of itself, terrible characterization. If you think just because these women have husbands that they are somehow a negative aspect to their character, you're wrong. Ginchiyo may be affected by Muneshige, but she still is proud and strong woman who stands for the Tachibana without wavering. Can't say the same for Naotora, who walks around talking about how embarrassed she is and is turned into a joke with everything she does. Oichi CHOOSES to fight for love and she and Nagamasa being lovebirds is no big deal in the greater scale of things. Nagamasa is a man of honor, Oichi is a victim of fate and tries to fight against it ultimately choosing to die with Katsuie in the end instead of once again being a victim of the times. Totally different than Naotora, the girl who accepts her fate and does nothing to find strength in herself until she's shot in the face. And Noh, my God, AT LEAST she has control of her sexuality and makes it a fact that she isn't afraid to use it as she pleases and isn't some pawn for Nobunaga or even her father. Whether she's been hurt by current games or not is irrelevant. She's still consistent with her character. Can't say the same for Naotora, walking around crying how embarrassed she is, unable to stand up for herself and is constantly a laughing stock because (her boobs). It's gross. That you could be so ignorant of this and use these girls as a prompt to boost up Naotora is appalling. She's not a terrible character, but Naotora is by far one of the worst characters in Musou games. Her character as a whole is creepy and there's simply too much wrong to ignore it. I'm sorry if I come off harsh but this is wrong. It is so wrong. |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:11 pm Post #215917 |
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| Wynter | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:12 pm Post #215918 |
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I've ******g had it with this house. |
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| AstralTempest | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:21 pm Post #215919 |
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OMM: That piece is DONE! Thank you tablet for co-operating! |
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:25 pm Post #215920 |
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Doctor Who was average. Kill the Moon looks great next week. It could well be the second episode I like enough next Saturday. |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:26 pm Post #215921 |
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I haven't seen Listen yet. |
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| UpInMahBubble | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:29 pm Post #215922 |
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God that show was the best. RE: SW ladies. Wasn't Ginchiyo in SW2 kinda made with some of Muneshige's character traits? So I mean when he was added they felt the need to change her. Her relationship with Muneshige is kind of endearing for me. Sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it. She still came out of it better than SSX at least. |
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:34 pm Post #215923 |
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If that gif was placed for the reason I think it was, I apologize Swan but I must address this.
It isn't necessarily a bad characterization, unless you're calling people in reality who have trouble making decisions for themselves bad people or vapid or something, which I doubt. I have a lot of difficulty making decisions for myself as I'm constantly worried about what others think of me, so I allow others to make decisions for me. This is why I identify with her and feel she is a strong character- because she's realistic. I do wish that she'd be more proactive, but hey, here's the thing- she does go and fight. She doesn't turn her back on her responsibilities. Which, at times, is more than can be said of myself... Ginchiyo is not "strong" and "proud" in SW3, she's ridiculously bull-headed and a dumbass, with Muneshige acting as the one who "sets her straight". Koei is basically saying a strong-willed woman cannot make decisions without the help of a man which is ridiculous. She's much the same in WO3. She's much better in Chronicles and Conquest, however. These games acknowledge their relationship but does not make either of them blithering idiots for the sake of it. I cannot speak on SW4 as I really only put much emphasis on spoiling myself on the Oda, Tokugawa, Unification and Hojo modes. But based on what I've read she has gotten better. I'm speaking as someone who LOVED Ginchiyo in SW2 and WO2. SW3 just... it made her ridiculous. I will not concede on this. I will concede to your point with Oichi. However, I still find her character a boring and weak one as there is not much to her personality outside of "I love Nagamasa", save for in Chronicles (in which she's a bit of a prankster and has a silly side) and in Conquest (where there is no Nagamasa so they can't rely on that, and I rather enjoy her portrayal in that game.) Nouhime, again, I cannot say I paid much attention to. In Conquest she wasn't up to much other than "mwahahaha I'm an evil gal", but I did appreciate the spin Chronicles put on her. I also understand that she hasn't much if anything to say but praise for Nobunaga in SW4. I do appreciate that she owns and embraces her sexuality, but... I don't know, I don't think that's enough to make her better than a character I personally identify with. I should make clear I was not necessarily putting them down to boost Naotora. I was merely noting I feel there are weaker female characters, in my opinion and from my observations, in the series than Naotora. In an ideal world, I would like them all to be improved in some aspect, but the reality is Koei is far more likely to ditch whomever is least popular or put them on the "playable but gets no role" bus, so I admit I feel somewhat threatened by the number of characters I like (ESPECIALLY Ranmaru and Naotora) being hated by others. I want to continue to support the series but if they ditch the characters I like rather than improving or expounding upon them I don't think I can. I should also make it clear I can acknowledge when characters I like get the **** end of the stick in terms of characterization. I adore Oichi from Sengoku Basara. However, she's awful in the first anime due to being reduced to a blithering, whining mess doing nothing of note to effect the plot other than reason for Nagamasa to go to war for the Oda. She is far better in the games and other adaptations. Similarly Kasuga is made incredibly clumsy, and Matsu seems more like support for Toshiie and Keiji than being Toshiie's partner and equal as she is in the games. I apologize if I came off as harsh myself. @Bubble: I do like some aspects of their relationship, but it's too much at the cost of what I liked about Ginchiyo in SW2, at least in SW3. It is markedly quite improved in Conquest and Chronicles, and likely SW4. |
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| Meliel | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:37 pm Post #215924 |
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Yeah she was a lot more cool and collected. Once they gave that trait to him, she's since been the more hot headed of the two and that isn't really bad for her. While personally I want them to be kinda rivals, it is a relief that Muneshige hasn't completely destroyed her character. I liked that in SW3 she was the one who demanded Mitsunari grow a backbone and fight Kiyomasa. She even had some funny interactions with Motochika and Motonari. Ginchiyo is still great imo. Very independent and yet still vulnerable. (Pretty neat) |
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| UpInMahBubble | Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:37 pm Post #215925 |
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![]() This image is glorious. Ginchiyo being hot headed to contrast Muneshige's cool and collected nature isn't exactly a bad thing. It's a common thing used with a lot of couples/friends. |
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