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| Fräulein | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:27 pm Post #215976 |
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i want sw5 oichi to puff her cheeks when angry |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:27 pm Post #215977 |
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God of War
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Poncho >>>>>>>>> Kuno |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:28 pm Post #215978 |
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Kuno always been great. |
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| UpInMahBubble | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:28 pm Post #215979 |
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Who you calling a cute prince?
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Kuno will always be great regardless cause she's voiced by Kaori from SSX Tricky |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:29 pm Post #215980 |
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I want Oichi in SW5 to come out of a nowhere and show off a snake to Nobunaga because it's cool. |
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| tmma1869 | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:29 pm Post #215981 |
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Supreme Warrior-Scholar
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- Assumed both pairs of earphones has one phone broken - Tried both on current phone's music player, realizes that nothing is actually broken Must use YouTube on phone again |
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:29 pm Post #215982 |
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Unlocking Sterk? This can be forgiven. |
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| Benzod | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:30 pm Post #215983 |
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All Tai'd Up
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New Kuno would be more acceptable if she at least had her old hair. The side ponytail thing is horrible. Ugh. I sound like a Daqiao fan. @LDZ: No, just curiosity. Unlocked Sterk a while back. And love him. Apart from his tiny nose. Edited by Benzod, Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:31 pm.
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:31 pm Post #215984 |
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I want a Concerto Musou. Can I please get a Concerto Musou? |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:31 pm Post #215985 |
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Let's discuss Kuno hairstyles, Ben. |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 pm Post #215986 |
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Kuno should get the twin fans |
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| tmma1869 | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 pm Post #215987 |
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Supreme Warrior-Scholar
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Haha, Erin is finally around. Now she can back me up with healing Hanbei. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 pm Post #215988 |
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I read that as I want a Cucco Musou. |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:32 pm Post #215989 |
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Sign this petition to get Kuno's hair back. |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:34 pm Post #215990 |
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if Daikyo did it, I bet it would work |
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| Meliel | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:34 pm Post #215991 |
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I like Kuno. She's not the nicest girl and she's always teasing and quite rude at times too. But that's great because not everyone needs to be a nice character. |
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| Fräulein | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:35 pm Post #215992 |
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i love how concerto hideyoshi constantly sounds like he has something stuck in his throat |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:38 pm Post #215993 |
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Finally KBS World, thank you. |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:38 pm Post #215994 |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:41 pm Post #215995 |
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I like Concerto's Nagahide. He's funny in a weird way. Like when Hideyoshi forms his name and he wonders why Hideyoshi took a certain part of his name instead of another. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:44 pm Post #215996 |
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All I want for a Wii U now is Zelda Wii U. And a Super Mario Galaxy 3 confirmed. |
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| DMRevolution | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:45 pm Post #215997 |
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Hashiba... Nashiba |
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| dancingswan | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:48 pm Post #215998 |
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Concerto's Hanbei looks like Lee Pace. |
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:51 pm Post #215999 |
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I think perhaps there was something lost in the conversation. I'm not out to prove Naotora is strong as a character in the sense that she's emotionally strong, I'm merely out to prove that, as a character, she is thought out and realistic. And technically most characters in such an era lack real choices. It's kill or be killed. Strength against strength, with occasional wisdom and trickery. Naotora's choices amount to staying in the castle while her men fight for her, leading the fight in spite of being scared to and not wanting to kill anyone, and marrying to pass on leadership. So she has choice- it's just nothing favorable. I think this is something you may have misunderstood. Many of the characters, at least clan leaders, see the times as a chance to grasp the future, for their own ends or for their people. Their subordinates sort of either follow their lords unquestioningly, to prove their worth or something of the like. Naotora is in a unique position, as the Ii for some time were an independent clan like the Matsudaira/Tokugawa. Initially they sided with the Imagawa, then joined as subordinates to the Tokugawa. Naotora, you see, is kinda... well she's pure. She has no desire to take advantage of others and realizes that she nor her clan possesses enough strength to help the people. So all she can really do is serve others. She lacks choice. But that's because that's the hand fate played her clan in reality. I think that's what the developers meant- that she's a case of a clan head being between a rock and a hard place. It would be great, and I'm pretty sure there IS a scene in the Tokugawa story where she indeed realizes Ieyasu is a good guy and chooses to serve him, rather than the floundering Ujizane. I can't confirm this however, I just remember reading something about it. I'll soon play the English version though so I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. I don't agree on SW3 Ginchiyo. As swan mentioned earlier, I saw her more as a development of the "tsundere" archetype. From a "tsun" at the start to an absolute "dere" at the end. She did have some agency in other's stories, but in Muneshige and her own story, I can only remember her lacking it. I would not mind her being less intelligent than Muneshige or hot-headed if it were not simply to appeal to that tsundere archetype. The message I get from Koei's portrayal of her in 3 is that the only way she can become caring for her husband is if she ditches any and all of her pride and willingness to fight and lead the clan. She can only love him if she ignores the best chance for the clan to survive and go back to hug and cry over him IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE. Without doing any fighting herself. The difference with Ranmaru is that, unlike with Nouhime, his dependence on Nobunaga not treated as a good thing. People (Gracia, Hideyoshi, Hanbei, Toshiie, even Nobunaga himself to an extent) are concerned about him, and actively try to get him to realize he's worth more than simply being Nobunaga's lap dog. He's flawed, and the game admits that. As far as I know, it does not do the same for Oichi or Nouhime- it treats their unwavering, unquestioning devotion as positive, while treating Ranmaru who never ever questions his lord as a poor misguided fool. Which, well, he is, but I love him for that. I will admit this conversation has made me think a bit more about how Oichi has been actually portrayed. I keep forgetting that she does have some conflict about whether to support her brother or not, it's just I always remember that she unquestioningly follows Nagamasa and is like "yo sorry bro, Nagamasa's love is amazing!!!". It's more like "Sorry Aniki, but you're kinda doing bad things and I love my husband so..." So I suppose she does kind of question her faith in both of the major men in her life. Nouhime though... she used to be scheming. She used to have goals. She loved Nobunaga but wanted to kill him all at the same time. I don't mind her as she is now per se but she used to be so much better. And again, hey, maybe SW4 DOES show her to be more than a sexy armcandy for him. I just don't know about it. I'll certainly try to see what she has to offer, as I want to like her. Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:54 pm.
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| LittleDragonZ | Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:52 pm Post #216000 |
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I was looking forward to Hisahide in SW4. Before seeing his sluggish movement, that is. Hopefully he becomes tolerable when levelled? |
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