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| Aryamehr | Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:43 pm Post #237901 |
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KHODA SHAH MIHAN
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The world is moving... I still don't feel better.
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| Ryō Genken | Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:57 pm Post #237902 |
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He gets away this time for not having breakdown. I hope in SW5, he had a breakdown like he had a screwup, then showed up and sacrifice her life for him, and everyone in Tokugawa ignores him because of what happened.
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:03 pm Post #237903 |
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That would be mean. Ignoring him after his mother sacrifices herself to save him. |
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| Fräulein | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:04 pm Post #237904 |
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Why can't SW4 just revolve around Kagekatsu, Saburo, and Kanetsugu being goofy and having fun? I'd love that. |
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| Angelic Linca | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:09 pm Post #237905 |
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Blue Sunshine of Wei
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Liu Bei ignored Liu Shan over Zhao Yun even when Liu Shan's mother died.
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:16 pm Post #237906 |
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Liu Shan was an infant. He wouldn't have remember or cared at the time. |
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| Angelic Linca | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:19 pm Post #237907 |
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Same thing, Kami. Liu Shan being an infant makes it sadder since he has such a pure and innocent personality. Naomasa is way older, probably killed lots of people. |
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| Fräulein | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:20 pm Post #237908 |
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Well then
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:25 pm Post #237909 |
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It is the same thing. Still sad. I said sad, my point still stands. Though, I don't think him being an infant makes it sadder, personally. It's almost a kindness that he doesn't have that memory. Whereas someone as old as Naomasa has to live with the idea that he may or may not have gotten his mother, who I am sure he loved, killed because he was reckless one time. Doesn't really matter how many people he killed. He doesn't just stop loving his mother cause he killed some enemy soldiers. |
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| Ryō Genken | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:31 pm Post #237910 |
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Basically that Kami. That will makes him realize that he is bad. It's already good that he shows some changes in sw4-ii story. But i wish more tragic one....Tales of Abyss Luke's tragic story one. Thinking he can saved a village only to be tricked, and everyone ignores him. I want that kind of story for Naomasa, for now i don't really like the fact that he is arrogant and the story is not enough tragic so he can repent. I dislike arrogant person, i've experienced meeting one in my life, and hope to god i never met one again. Also i wish Liu Feng added too. I'm headcanoning a cutscene where Liu Feng and Liu Shan are very close brothers, when Fan castle happen. Liu Feng executed, Liu Shan watches from afar and overheard that Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang partly executes him for thinking he may overthrown Liu Shan cause he is Bei's biological son compared to Liu Feng. Liu Shan must be broken enough to hear it, that he purposely stayed stupid, so that his father's hardwork will reduce to nothing. |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:34 pm Post #237911 |
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I don't mind the tragic aspect, but it'd be kinda messed up if it resulted in his fellow retainers suddenly ostracizing him. Naotora is a warrior, she knows what she'd getting herself into. It would certainly be an eye opener for Naomasa, and that's fine. But for Ieyasu of all people to be all "you're the worst, you got your mom dead" would be hypocritical, after all those people died for him at Mikatagahara. |
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| Angelic Linca | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:34 pm Post #237912 |
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Have to disagree a bit though. What if Liu Shan were to have asked Liu Bei about his mother and why/how she died, would Liu Bei have been truthful? Then comes the "Oh and I'm sorry, son, but I 'accidentally' dropped you when you were a baby so I could give Zhao Yun a bro hug." |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:36 pm Post #237913 |
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That had nothing to do with momma, tho, so Liu Bei could keep that little secret to himself. If Liu Shan asks about mommy, Liu Bei tells him she dumped herself in a well to save his life. Liu Shan goes through life knowing his mother sacrificed her life to save his. Everything is happy again. Until he ruins everything again, because let's face it...he's going to. |
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| Ryō Genken | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:41 pm Post #237914 |
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Fine at least, eyeopening him with tora's death. TO see the truth that he is sometimes not good enough. |
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| Katatonia | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:44 pm Post #237915 |
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Best thing about Naomasa being such a jerk is Tadakatsu becoming King of Sass
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:50 pm Post #237916 |
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want the other two Tokugawa Guardians to be d-bag frat boys and Tadakatsu has to be their poor babysitter. |
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| Katatonia | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:52 pm Post #237917 |
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Like Lu Meng with Gan Ning and Ling Tong?
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| Angelic Linca | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:54 pm Post #237918 |
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Wrong though. Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang, and Jiang Wei ruined everything. Liu Bei's revenge at Yiling - wiped out best of Shu's forces Zhuge Liang in general - making Jiang Wei his successor, Northern Expeditions, Ma Su/Wei Yan dying due to Zhuge Liang's poor personality Jiang Wei - obsession with Wei |
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| Lil'Richard | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:54 pm Post #237919 |
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/22/wonder-woman-reportedly-begins-filming-end-of-2015 |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:56 pm Post #237920 |
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Jiang Wei and Zhuge Liang were saints, Sakura. Liu Bei and Liu Shan are co-chairs in the Antichrist Association. |
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| Angelic Linca | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:57 pm Post #237921 |
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Ma Su and Wei Yan, Kami.
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| Lil'Richard | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:58 pm Post #237922 |
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Weird how Zhuge Liang talks, smells, and acts like an antichrist and yet is a saint. Edited by Lil'Richard, Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:58 pm.
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:59 pm Post #237923 |
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Watch it get cancelled when one of the many male movies bombs. They'll somehow blame it on Wonder Woman and change their minds. |
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| Angelic Linca | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:59 pm Post #237924 |
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Zhou Yu is that one guy who goes to parties uninvited to hit on girls. |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:59 pm Post #237925 |
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If he acts like an anti-christ, then he can't be the anti-christ. Anti-Christ 101! |
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I still don't feel better.



showed up and sacrifice her life for him, and everyone in Tokugawa ignores him because of what happened.


Liu Bei ignored Liu Shan over Zhao Yun even when Liu Shan's mother died.




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