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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,973,312 Views)
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Whelp that didn't go well I'd say.

Sigh.
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:asia: I liked Thor 2.
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:33 am
I forgot Balder existed...I still don't know if he's dead in the comics or not...that whole thing confused me and he kinda stopped showing up and on one talks about him anymore...going one like 4 or 5 years now :unsure:
That's because there's been like 20 different writers for Thor in the past 5 years. So lately it's a mish-mash of undistinguishable shorts which is why they probably decided to reboot Thor as a girl (and being a PR machine that move was) coupled with giving Loki his own short-lived series (pretty much a movie-verse comic).
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Speaking of Thor. Stan Lee needs to be a janitor in Avengers movie and while cleaning picks up Mjolnir like nothing then puts it back.
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:36 am
Mr. Kamikaze
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:33 am
I forgot Balder existed...I still don't know if he's dead in the comics or not...that whole thing confused me and he kinda stopped showing up and on one talks about him anymore...going one like 4 or 5 years now :unsure:
That's because there's been like 20 different writers for Thor in the past 5 years. So lately it's a mish-mash of undistinguishable shorts which is why they probably decided to reboot Thor as a girl (and being a PR machine that move was) coupled with giving Loki his own short-lived series (pretty much a movie-verse comic).
Hey! Loki's series was really good! Or is really good...I don't think it's been cancelled yet (you're talking about Agent of Asgard, right?).

As for Thor...only thing that bugs me about that is she goes by Thor. That makes no sense...Thor isn't a codename, Thor is his actual name. It'd be like if Sam Wilson decided to go by Steve Rogers. Especially since old Thor is still around and actively doing stuff...he didn't just vanish.

She needs a new name...
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When I think of Asgard, I think of those aliens from Stargate series.
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Mr. Kamikaze
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:44 am
Lil'Bellflower
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:36 am
Mr. Kamikaze
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:33 am
I forgot Balder existed...I still don't know if he's dead in the comics or not...that whole thing confused me and he kinda stopped showing up and on one talks about him anymore...going one like 4 or 5 years now :unsure:
That's because there's been like 20 different writers for Thor in the past 5 years. So lately it's a mish-mash of undistinguishable shorts which is why they probably decided to reboot Thor as a girl (and being a PR machine that move was) coupled with giving Loki his own short-lived series (pretty much a movie-verse comic).
Hey! Loki's series was really good! Or is really good...I don't think it's been cancelled yet (you're talking about Agent of Asgard, right?).

As for Thor...only thing that bugs me about that is she goes by Thor. That makes no sense...Thor isn't a codename, Thor is his actual name. It'd be like if Sam Wilson decided to go by Steve Rogers. Especially since old Thor is still around and actively doing stuff...he didn't just vanish.

She needs a new name...
I get called for being sexist but I don't like them arbitrarily switching genders for Thor. If they want to appeal to the diversity hires they can either create an interesting female character or promote one of their existing ones even more.

On the other hand like you said if they changed her name to something else I may not be so iffy on change.

And the Agent of Asgard is okay. It's probably one of the better recent Thor comic runs (which isn't saying much tbh).
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That's probably because most people think Thor turned into a woman. Some people don't actually take the time to realize lady Thor is actually an entirely different character who is hinted to be someone important to Thor's past (no one knows who, not even Odin). The Real Thor is still around, still is an active Avenger even, he just goes by Odinson now, the only difference is he doesn't wield Mjolnir anymore...he even confronted lady Thor (i havent got to that issue yet, but I know it happened).
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:53 am
That's probably because most people think Thor turned into a woman. Some people don't actually take the time to realize lady Thor is actually an entirely different character who is hinted to be someone important to Thor's past (no one knows who, not even Odin). The Real Thor is still around, still is an active Avenger even, he just goes by Odinson now, the only difference is he doesn't wield Mjolnir anymore...he even confronted lady Thor (i havent got to that issue yet, but I know it happened).
I have that issue...I think...

I kept it because of the "calm thy tits" jokes on the internet because the artist made Odinson's manboobs ginormous and it reminds me of when my wife makes fun of my manboobs.


But yeah I miss Balder from Thor. I thought he brought a little something refreshing to the "Odinson" trio. You got douchebag Loki...you got "For Thine Honor" Thor....and then sweetie Balder who just wants to be happy and play with birds...kinda like Xu Chu.

I feel the same way with Steve Trevor in Wonder Woman. He needs to come back.
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I agree though. Piggybacking off of the success of an established character to promote diversity is lazy and kinda offensive, imo. Like they're never going to established a more diverse set of characters if all they do is temporarily replace an established one with a minority version of him or her (they're still trying to do that with Ghost Rider for some reason...granted the new Ghost Rider is actually pretty alright)

Sure, it works out for some. Miles Morales is awesome and all. It's just irksome and most of the time those characters go away in a year and the old one comes back. Anyone who believe Thor won't go back to being himself eventually is kidding themselves. Same goes for Steve Rogers.
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:55 am
But yeah I miss Balder from Thor. I thought he brought a little something refreshing to the "Odinson" trio. You got douchebag Loki...you got "For Thine Honor" Thor....and then sweetie Balder who just wants to be happy and play with birds...kinda like Xu Chu.

I feel the same way with Steve Trevor in Wonder Woman. He needs to come back.
I liked Balder. I liked that he was in charge of Asgard while Thor did his own thing. I wish he'd come back at some point. I also liked Kelda, she was cool and her relationship with Bill of Broxton was nice to see evolve.

I like Fraction's run of Thor, but Jason Aaron is doing an incredible job with Thor. Just on a whole other level.

It would be nice to see Balder return to the new Loki and now having a sister...want them all together at least for one issue and see things go down.
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:58 am
I agree though. Piggybacking off of the success of an established character to promote diversity is lazy and kinda offensive, imo. Like they're never going to established a more diverse set of characters if all they do is temporarily replace an established one with a minority version of him or her (they're still trying to do that with Ghost Rider for some reason...granted the new Ghost Rider is actually pretty alright)

Sure, it works out for some. Miles Morales is awesome and all. It's just irksome and most of the time those characters go away in a year and the old one comes back. Anyone who believe Thor won't go back to being himself eventually is kidding themselves. Same goes for Steve Rogers.
The biggest issue I had was the reaction to it. Both positive and negative. People were acting like it was some new thing. "Oooh Marvel's taking such a chance. Oooh they're being different. Congrats to them for being diverse."

And yet Miles has been around for a while and Ms. Marvel's also a Muslim girl and not a peep.

Did you know Green Lantern's gay? I seriously just found that out a week ago. They didn't JUST make a Green Lantern homosexual, he's been gay for years now and no one really cared. Also, speaking of Green Lantern, remember John Stewart? The African-American Green Lantern from Justice League? That's been around for what 12 years now? But god forbid Captain America becomes black everyone loses their minds.

Wonder Woman's already a female as a part of DC's Team Up so there's no PR need to make Superman into a woman. Or a woman superman (oh wait Supergirl).

I just feel the hype was overplayed that it immediately felt like Marvel was trying to cash in on something rather than benefiting diversity.
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Well I do remember when they made Green Lantern gay there was some ruckus over it, but it went away. Because he wasn't originally gay. Alan Scott going into the New 52 was a old, straight white dude with two kids. Now he's gay and considerably younger...but he was also moved to an alternate Earth which might have helped quell the rebellion...also, the other Green Lanterns didn't cease to exist as a result. Which is probably why John Stewart doesn't get any attention either, cause he's not replacing anyone he's just adding to the group of Earthbound Lanterns. (also John is probably the most famous of them all given he was the one they used in the Justice League show). No one seemed to care that they introduced a Muslim Lantern either, though.

Miles replaced Peter, but from another universe, 616 Peter (the one most people care about) was still alive; and Kamala took a mantle no one was using, and Carol was already doing her thing as Captain Marvel.

Which is why I think the MAIN issue people had with lady Thor was that people though Thor BECAME a woman, or was replacing him (which she technically did..) but if they knew actual Thor was not tossed into some abyss, I don't think it would've mattered as much to people.

Though, Captain Marvel took that title with very little resistance...which might have just been because Mar-Vell had been dead for decades and people probably forgot, got over it, or are too young to even know who he is.
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The problem isn't just that they're changing established characters, it's that those characters are the ONLY ones who see any kind of success. Mainly because the comic book audience is no longer kids, it's manchildren still holding on to their childhood nostalgia.

They don't want anyone to change their characters because it will ruin their childhood visions of them, and they won't buy anything with new characters because it wasn't a part of their childhood in the first place.

This problem mostly stems from Diamond pushing comics into little corner specialty shops and out of supermarket and gas station checkout lines.
Edited by Wild Lion, Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:03 am.
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This remix of KOTODAMA RUNNER is beyond marvelous. If you call yourself a Warriors fan, then your ears deserve to hear this amazing piece of music.
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Daisy is such a cutie patootie in Mario Party 10.

Needs to be in more games and get an Amiibo.

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hi i'm daisy
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Hi I'm Mario

Hi Mario

And I too am addicted to shrooms

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Looking for references to doodle. Theres a bunch of porn i was not expecting
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you should draw porn then
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you should draw porn then
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:nope: I'm too pure to draw porn
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draw me in a red sailor suit :P
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OMM: bloodborne is draining my life and i like it
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