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Topic Started: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:16 am (5,973,172 Views)
Lil'Richard
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Eni needs an Uncle 'stache :beard:
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Uesugi Kenshin
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But the thing is these "AAA" games wouldn't be impacted negatively if the unnecessary sexual aspects were removed, and would bring in more people. I just want my interests to be able to be shared with the maximum audience, and if it'd help if there's more diversity or less sexy designs, I'm all for it. And clearly game companies know that sexualized designs do result in less market appeal given some changes that have been made.

Senran Kagura is a series, however, BUILT on fanservice. Remove that and you have decent characters and a decent storyline with average gameplay. You can't say Final Fantasy IS Final Fantasy because Fran wears highly impractical armor.

It's not really hypocritical, I think.
Like...take Miyazaki games (Souls/Blooborne) for example. The armor is the same between men and women. The gameplay is still solid, as is the story, music, etc., and nothing is compromised as a result.

Yet we have WoW and similar games which put men in actual armor and give women boobplates. This can be rectified, IMO, by making the males similarly sexy (like they do in FFXIV), or taking the Souls approach and giving women similar/same armor.

Either go full on fanservice to bring in the pervy gals and homosexual men, or go full realism to bring in the women (and guys) who inherently dislike fanservice. If sex sells, don't half-ass it.
I'm just ranting at this point, I realize I don't have a legitimate argument, so I'm not looking to debate, but I know somewhere buried in my gobbledygook there's a message that makes sense and isn't hypocritical. Take it as you will Emp
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Wed Apr 8, 2015 3:31 am.
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tmma1869
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Ahem. Dead or Alive.

Damn you TV Tropes and Finding Nemo for not letting me enroll for my OJT very early :lol:

Just got my internet back yesterday evening BTW, if anyone misses me.
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Rance
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Sexualized designs result in less marketing appeal in what world? Let's see Dynasty Warriors do anything with characters that have realistic proportions and sensible, conservative designs.

The double standard is ridiculous anyways because of the whole argument against sexualized designs. The argument is that sexualization is objectification, making people see other people as only bodies/objects. Whether a game is built entirely on fanservice or has a foundation for solid gameplay hardly matters if they're both doing the same thing.

I would argue that you should just stop the moral crusade because it is not helping anybody anyways. How about just favoring freedom of expression instead? At least then you could claim consistency.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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Welcome back Kenji!
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dancingswan
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86 minutes. I can't believe I'm watching the timer. I feel like I'm jinxing myself though.
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DMRevolution
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I just realized I haven't actually been tweeting the contest but just clicking the I tweeted button.

I'm dumb.
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dancingswan
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If we don't win... your fault.
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DMRevolution
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I wanted to say something about sexualized designs but can't put thoughts into words because I can't word good.

They never posted my comment also.
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tmma1869
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Misread this page as 9999. Guess I'm too excited for this thread to reach 10 000 pages.
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MeowMeow
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That might happen quite soon actually, as long as keep posting in here...
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DMRevolution
Wed Apr 8, 2015 3:51 am
I wanted to say something about sexualized designs but can't put thoughts into words because I can't word good.

They never posted my comment also.
It should still count... I think.
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MeowMeow
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YEAH BABY ;)
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Wed Apr 8, 2015 3:34 am
Sexualized designs result in less marketing appeal in what world? Let's see Dynasty Warriors do anything with characters that have realistic proportions and sensible, conservative designs.

The double standard is ridiculous anyways because of the whole argument against sexualized designs. The argument is that sexualization is objectification, making people see other people as only bodies/objects. Whether a game is built entirely on fanservice or has a foundation for solid gameplay hardly matters if they're both doing the same thing.

I would argue that you should just stop the moral crusade because it is not helping anybody anyways. How about just favoring freedom of expression instead? At least then you could claim consistency.
I pretty much agree, and not just because I AM a perv otaku maniac :P

It would be a bit weird to have, say T & A overly emphasized in games like Call of Duty or other "realistic military simulations" (using that term very loosely :whistle: ).

J-games, though, bring on the fanservice, the sexier the better. :hey:

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DMRevolution
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I followed the rest of the people.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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I am seeing people on tumblr protesting Ajit Johnson asking edits of his stupid ass art which are perfectly legal under parody law by making more edits I am loving it.
Edited by Uesugi Kenshin, Wed Apr 8, 2015 4:18 am.
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Ryō Genken
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101 pages to go!! Keep Posting everyone!
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Uesugi Kenshin
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250 for me until we reach 3000.
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DMRevolution
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it's that time where I put hair in bun because I'm too lazy to get a hair cut.
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Uesugi Kenshin
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My mom put my hair in a ponytail to try and prove a point to me.

I said "I think I like this!" and she freaked out. Meh, just defiant about the fact I'm balding. I wanna be beautiful...
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DMRevolution
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Bald is beautiful!
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Uesugi Kenshin
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I hope so... :(
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DMRevolution
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Shave your head then cry it costs more to maintain.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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having no hair has to be so liberating. My hair grows fast and im too lazy (and poor) to get regular haircuts so it usually grows out for a while and it's super annoying to deal with.
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Eni
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I'm in love
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French Overlord
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final fantasy realm keeper is draining my sanity... just 3 stage and i have sephiroth... ill you let me sleep? ...*cry*


na seriously when you figure the depth of the game it is quite fun to play
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