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Your favorite voice acting is in?
Dynasty Warriors 3 4 (15.4%)
Dynasty Warriors 4 4 (15.4%)
Dynasty Warriors 5 10 (38.5%)
Dynasty Warriors 6 8 (30.8%)
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Your favorite voice acting is in?
Samurai Warriors 8 (34.8%)
Samurai Warriors 2 15 (65.2%)
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Why do people say that the VAs in DW/SW are bad?; Voice Acting Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 18 2009, 07:25 AM (316 Views)
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I would like for someone to try and explain the views of someone who believes that the VAs in the 2 franchises are bad, because I just don't hear it. Every review of DW/SW I read always says that the VAs are bad/terrible. From the hundreds of thousands of lines uttered in every DW/SW game since DW4, there has been less than 25 times where I thought the way a line was delivered was bad.

Most, if not all of the VAs who do DW also do multiple anime and other video games. I've heard Liu Bei and Zhao Yun/Taishi Ci on Bleach, Zhang Liao and Sun Ce on Code Geass, Dian Wei/Cao Ren and Sun Quan on Cowboy Bebop, Diao Chan/Xing Cai/Xiao Qiao on Shin Chan and Witchblade, Steve Blum in way to many things to list, and so on. I highly doubt these people would keep getting work if they were bad at what they did. Their performances in the games matched their performances in the anime they do IMO.

So please, educate me. Because I don't have a clue where all this negativity comes from.
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I think it's mostly opinion based and the fact that Chinese/Japanese warriors from history are using modern English may contribute to that factor and also Zhang He.

I on the other hand think the Japanese voices are worse, though I only think this because I am too knuckle-headed/American to tell the difference between them.

There might be a thread already like this. Don't know for sure.
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Well... They never said they liked those actors in their anime roles, did they? they probly just dont know talent
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yeah...the english voice actors are just not good enough imo...

play the version of koei games with japanese VAs, and you'll know what i mean.
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IMO, the only DW that had horrendous VA was DW3. Anyone agree?

Reviewers don't like it mostly because of the fact that they are in the anime that they love to watch, which in turn they hate as well. They most likely watch it subbed.

From the Koei fan (ours) POV, I think it's because of the fact that they don't seem to be making that much of an effort anymore.

It's pretty unanimous from what I've seen here that DW4 and SW1 are the best ones in terms of VA.
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I love majority of the English voice acting of the games. I thought they did a good job overall. The only problem I had with some of the voice acting is when it came to pre DW4. If it wasn't for these games though, I probably wouldn't have taken much of an interest with the voice actors one bit.

Skip Stellrecht is by far my favorite voice actor since he does Sun Quan's voice plus Lu Xun for Dynasty Warriors 4 and 5 for those who didn't know that. I like alot of the others including Dan Woren for Liu Bei and Yuri Lowenthal as Sun Ce and Zhang He.

I heard some of the Japanese voice actiing for some of the characters and I think Sun Quan's was probably the worse one of the group with the high pitch yelping. :crazy: But then again, I don't understand a bit of Japanese to understand what he was going on about in the games lol.
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I don't think it's so much the voice acting itself is of poor quality, but the fact that the dialogue can be so trite and cheesy.

I mean, who doesn't get sick of "another has fallen to my spear?" after the 50th time? I don't think that really gains the DW/SW games any points when it comes to reviewing the voice acting quality.

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David Beron ftw :whistle:

Ive always loved Ma Chao's VA, it fits the justice so well :sly:
But I am in the same boat as Jsun, that im too ignorant to hear differences within the JP VAs.

Ive never found the English VAs to be bad, and with DW they were the best at DW5 IMO.

Ive always been baffled by people who speak english and dont understand Japanese and yet prefer to listen to the JP voices and seem to be the same people who complain to want voice options within the game. It just confuses me why you would rather listen to something you dont understand, I understand this concept when it comes to live action shows and movies as dubs for those just seem to look silly. But its always looked normal to me when it is a cartoon/animated or VGs.
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I have nothing against them, in fact...voices like Ma Chao, Sun Ce, Sun Quan, Zhuge Liang...are awesome.

Even some that are "cringe-worthy" like Taishi's DW6, IMO, the voice is good...but it doesnt fit him.

The only voice i dislike is Hideyoshi's from WO...

I believe the source of dislike sometimes is because of the script, not the voice itself, sometimes...something slips from the JP version and ends up sounding out of place.
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Sometimes the auditions are rushed over due to the fact of lack of auditioning actors. You can feel it's tow in the previous versions of Dynasty Warriors and I might dare say all the video games out there before the big gaming bang. ( 2000's maybe? ) Or even in a more hardcore note...they're ignored. So most VA agencies hire amateurs or even people in theater and TV. Sure the jobs don't differ much from each other but...it is different.

Grant George ( Sun Jian, Shinjiro Aragaki , Officer Kurosawa and many nameless NPCs. ) and Yuri Lowenthal ( Sun Ce , Yosuke Hanamura , MC from Persona 3 ) are prime examples of it. They're big names in the VA world because they just take the roles of people who don't want to or they just audition to everything really.

I digress. But keep on listening. It might not make much sense...but...

Many people out there think it's easy to voice act. Sure it's easy when the main writer of the storyboard gives you the script. But what happens when that script goes overseas and it's translated by someone else? Most of the examples , it loses it's core meaning and overall sense. The characters are chopped and the VA's are often found in situations where no instruction is given. I can't say the VA's aren't 'bad'. You gotta blame the people who accepted those auditions. So next time you finish a game , point your finger and curse loudly at the agency that hired them. They only did their job. And they were accepted by THOSE people.

But there's only one thing that annoys me the fullest. Toyotomi's Hideyoshi's voice in Warriors Orochi , was the type of voice that just made me mute the T.V. Please tell me I'm not the only one. I know it's not the VA's fault...but...it's one of those situations in mexican soup operas one goes...

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Well, most of them definitely aren't STELLAR either. I'll admit that Koei does get a few gems every now and then, those being the more well-known voice actors such as Wendee Lee, Steve Blum (well... USED to have him... stupid Square Enix), Beau Billingslea (whom I love with a passion and thus far the only redeeming factor for Dian Wei), Doug Stone, Kirk Thorton, guy that sounds like Joshua Keaton but isn't (Sun Quan and Lu Xun...) and several others that I could name off. Not all of the voice work in Koei games are bad (unless it's English DW3... one good voice, the rest utter CRAP).

However, with the exception of the few that I just named off, the rest of it either is very mediocre (SW2 voice work for the most part) or downright horrid (WO Hideyoshi, to name just one).

The worst in the VA work, in my opinion, was and probably still is the English cast to DW3. Xiahou Dun sounded great. The rest? My ears bled by how pathetic some sounded, while others put me to sleep because there was absolutely no personality to them whatsoever. I hold voice acting very high, as it can make or break a character for me, and in a game that's based off of character-oriented events, VOICE DOES MATTER. Sorry, I'm very particular about that. So, for DW3, I always have the Japanese cast going. I lynch those that change my settings with PS2 controllers.

Dynasty Warriors 4, I must say, was almost the best in my opinion. With the removal of the Japanese voice cast, I suppose Koei thought that they actually had to, you know, hire voice actors that gave a **** about their job and didn't sound as if they were reading off of queue cards. There wasn't a single voice that I really hated or disliked in DW4... wasn't perfect, but at least it brought out the characters. Robert Klein is still a favorite of mine in regards to Lu Meng, and I actually preferred him over the Japanese VA. The only one that compares with him is Dalan Norris, of course... I wish he'd come back.

In SW1, the voice work was just like DW4- very good, high quality for Koei's standards. My only real objections being, of course, Ranmaru and Okuni. Tony Oliver should be kicked in the balls for mimicking a male Juliet play, and Okuni was just utter crap. Don't get me wrong now; Tony Oliver is a fairly decent actor. He did a great Ma Chao, but please, avoid anymore feminish little boy roles... and STOP DOING LU MENG AND XIAHOU YUAN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Bring back Dalan and whoever did Yuan (not Blum, asking for him back would be impossible at this point).

DW5 was not as great as DW4, but it was still along the lines of being tolerable for me. I had a few complaints here and there, but eventually the new voices either grew on me or I just stopped caring. The biggest issue for me was just the fact that they can't seem to keep a consistent list of actors going for certain characters. Of course, that issue is solely a user error and it's something I'm going to have to get over. It's bad to have high standards sometime.

SW2 wasn't bad. Just... not that great for me. The quality of the voice acting is what got to me- I could hear a static, grainy sound in the background, and it made everyone sound deeper to my ears. I didn't notice this until I played WO1, realizing that the quality of the recording was better than SW2. Now, the voice actors themselves were not terrible. Ranmaru and Okuni greatly improved, and while I did miss some of the other actors, it was OK for the most part. Loved Hideyoshi, too. Voice fit him perfectly in my opinion.

Now, the WO series is probably where I have my biggest beefs, and that being in consistency rather than the quality of the voice actor's work themselves. I didn't mind that the SW peeps were different, considering they were part of a different company. What did bother me, though, was that switches from WO1 to WO2... and Hideyoshi. Good... god. Hideyoshi was Bugs Bunny without the Brooklyn accent, and had I not played SW2 and grew to love that VA, I wouldn't have minded. But OH good god... and the worst part was that he's still a favorite character of mine, so anyone else who's in the room with me is always complaining, and I hate playing a game on mute.

Now, with that being said, I would say that it's fifty fifty with me. Some voices are great, others just make me depressed that Koei can't find a way to get other VAs in there. Hell, get Scott McNiel and you'll have at least 50% of the cast right there!

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Ive always been baffled by people who speak english and dont understand Japanese and yet prefer to listen to the JP voices and seem to be the same people who complain to want voice options within the game. It just confuses me why you would rather listen to something you dont understand, I understand this concept when it comes to live action shows and movies as dubs for those just seem to look silly. But its always looked normal to me when it is a cartoon/animated or VGs.


It's called Subtitles, sweetie. Some of us have just grown used to reading them and paying attention to whatever else is on the screen. I don't have much of an issue with that in VG (Unless it's DW3 and the English voices are THAT BAD), but in Anime of the early 90's and 2000's bred me to prefer subs over dubs. Now, I wouldn't MIND a Japanese voice option, if only to hear how they sound in Japanese. But the quality of the VA work hasn't gotten considerable better, so it's not a necessity for me anymore.
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The DW3 voice track certainly has it's charm... for all the tackiness. I for one got many a laughs from it, but the majority of the time I did use the Japanese voice option.

I've ranted about my views of the Japanese voice option in the past, and quite frankly, I'm tired of defending it. But to put it short, it's already there, already recorded, so why can't they just include it along with the English option? It's just nice to have. I know the characters are based on CHINESE figures, but I just happen to think, in my humble opinion, that the Japanese voices sounds more epic. There's more feeling.
When I compare Sima Yi's laugh in the Japanese and English version, there's no comparison over which one is better. The Japanese. It sounds like a real, crazy freakin' laugh! But the English one sounds less impressive, it's not as triumphant and sinister as Sima Yi's laugh should be. I think the Japanese voice actors are just more creative is all, you can tell they really try to delve into the characters personalities a bit more than the English voice actors do.
And if I don't shut up now, I'll only keep going and going until I'm completely off topic, so I'll leave it at that.

Also, when you do compare the voice acting in DW/SW to other big-name games out there, the voice acting is really quite average. A lot of games these days hire REAL actors to provide character voices, and I think when reviewers compare those types of voice acting with DW's/SW's ANIME voice acting, the DW/SW voice acting probably seems rather silly.
But it is an anime/Japanese style game, I do think it should have anime quality voices.
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The voice acting in the Dynasty Warriors series is a big step up from KOEI's previous game, Destrega, where they first implemented voice acting.

Absolutely dreadful voice acting and dialog. If you thought Dynasty Warriors 3 had cheesy voice overs then you need to play Destrega.

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The voice acting in the Dynasty Warriors series is a big step up from KOEI's previous game, Destrega, where they first implemented voice acting.

Absolutely dreadful voice acting and dialog. If you thought Dynasty Warriors 3 had cheesy voice overs then you need to play Destrega.

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Yeah, I heard about that game. The good thing about DW3's bad English cast was that at least you could jump over to the Japanese voices if it got too bad. However, Destrega... there's just no excuse for that.

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I don't think it's so much the voice acting itself is of poor quality, but the fact that the dialogue can be so trite and cheesy.

THIS is EXACTLY the point i've made before in various threads. it's not the quality of the actor so much as the terrible dialogue and hideous repetition that drive me to distraction. the majority of the lines are over emoted(and that's not the actors fault, they are told where and how to emphasize) and just ridiculous in tone and style.

the more low key performances are always the best in my opinion: all Cao Ren, Xu Huang DW6, Cao Cao DW6, Zuo Ci(yeah, you heard me right), Oda, Katsuiie, Huang Zhong DW4/5. the OTT/exaggerated ones like Toshiie, Dian Wei, Sun Ce DW6, Hideyoshi WO are the ones that make me long for the Japanese VA, which i don't understand all of, but seem less wildly varied than the US VA.

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Ive always been baffled by people who speak english and dont understand Japanese and yet prefer to listen to the JP voices and seem to be the same people who complain to want voice options within the game.


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The biggest issue for me was just the fact that they can't seem to keep a consistent list of actors going for certain characters.


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Basically sums up my opinion on the matter completely. I personally would like to understand the characters without having to play a game and look at subtitles the whole time. And I have no problems with nearly all of the English voice actors, although MANY of the female ones make me nauseous. That's more due to the style they are probably told to VA in (at least I hope that's the case, for their sake).

DW4 and 5 had the best cast of folks IMO, but I hate the way they change up some characters in every game (specially since one of my favorites is one of them!). I think that can just as much contribute to people saying the acting is 'bad' when its more a case of it being 'different'. I'll equate it to my picky-ness when it comes to anime and such. Whatever I see the show in first is what voices I'll become accustomed to and like better. And seeing the same show in the other language, regardless of talent, would sound wrong to me. I'd hear a character and say "That doesn't sound anything like them! Booo!"

Maybe its a similar case here. I know it irritates me! At least in WO and DW6? "That doesn't sound anything like Zhou Yu! Boooo!!!" :meantongue:

Anyways, the only other language I would want to play DW in is Chinese. Granted, I can't understand that at all, and can understand Japanese quite a bit better than Mandarin, but I think it would add a level of authenticity to it. :rolleyes: Not that Koei ever cared about that kinda stuff before...
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Meh... the dialogue in DW3 and some in DW4 are laughable at best. The VA is getting better all the time though.
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might get in trouble for sayin this, but its my opinion. The voices arent realy that bad. Its just people who are too into anime and japanese culture being bias. (let the flaming begin yo ;) ) I realy dont see the problem with just about all the voices (excluding dw3, duck chan in dw6, and a select other few)


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Ive always been baffled by people who speak english and dont understand Japanese and yet prefer to listen to the JP voices and seem to be the same people who complain to want voice options within the game.


This is what I majorly agree with. LOL, sorry if this post pisses any people off (and this time im truely being sincere, not a jerk :whistle: )
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might get in trouble for sayin this, but its my opinion. The voices arent realy that bad. Its just people who are too into anime and japanese culture being bias. (let the flaming begin yo ;) ) I realy dont see the problem with just about all the voices (excluding dw3, duck chan in dw6, and a select other few)

That's funny that you say this. I know a girl who is all Otaku and everything and she prefers the Japanese voices over the english ones for the very same reason. She's white and her boyfriend is Asian yet he prefers the English voices over the japanese ones. Really it all comes down to the dialog and how the voice actors portray their characters. Obivously, when you have someone like Kotaro Fuuma you can definitely tell he is wicked and evil with the English voices. When I'm listening to the Japanese voice acting the wicked and evil tone is just not there. I guess if I were japanese it would make much more sense. KOEI obviously wants to please the fans. They could easily make the game have only japanese voice acting and just throw in some subtitle options, but then even more people would be mad.
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might get in trouble for sayin this, but its my opinion. The voices arent realy that bad. Its just people who are too into anime and japanese culture being bias. (let the flaming begin yo ;) ) I realy dont see the problem with just about all the voices (excluding dw3, duck chan in dw6, and a select other few)

That's funny that you say this. I know a girl who is all Otaku and everything and she prefers the Japanese voices over the english ones for the very same reason. She's white and her boyfriend is Asian yet he prefers the English voices over the japanese ones. Really it all comes down to the dialog and how the voice actors portray their characters. Obivously, when you have someone like Kotaro Fuuma you can definitely tell he is wicked and evil with the English voices. When I'm listening to the Japanese voice acting the wicked and evil tone is just not there. I guess if I were japanese it would make much more sense.
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I wouldn't say I'm Otaku. Trust me, not everything from Japan is golden to me. However, I guess it's just habit that when I'm looking for something, preferably made in Japanese or another language, I tend to want to go for subtitles over dubbing. I was RAISED off of subtitles, because some of the dubs were just god awful (this is in regards to movies and television shows, more so than video games). Now, though, voice acting dubs have gotten considerably better in all media, so it's really no longer an issue for me unless I pick up older series like Sailormoon or Slayers.

Also, there are a lot of English voice actors I prefer over the Japanese. I prefer Dalan Norris, or Robert Klein, over the Japanese Lu Meng (whom I'd love to find his name but Koei Warriors has it in Kanji, making it utterly USELESS to me). Few others I could name, but why bother? English Dian Wei > Japanese Dian Wei.

Now, if I can get the quality of SOME Japanese VAs with the English language, I'd be happy. It's great to be able to listen to something and not have to rely on subtitles, though. I just wish I could do that more in some video games. Koei's gotten much better. Average, but at least they're not painfully horrible. Just... really inconsistent. And THAT bothers me more than the quality itself.
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Please post your views on your favorite voice acting titles and just talk about it in general.

Back when I was playing DW3 it wasn't really something I knew much about or could compare, I just wanted to play and have fun. But now looking back at it, I can see its a weakness. I would say DW4 and 5 had the better and likely the best acting overall. Whereas due to the expansions and the lack of consistency, its always changing in the likes of Empires. Thanks to Koei rushing their games out and wanting the cheapest schedules... So saying this, it's getting better slowly, but due to Koei not being consistent apart from using the likes of Kirk Thornton (Xiahou Dun) and Lex Lang (Zhuge Liang) in most of their games, this is a flaw they should improve over time.
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I've already shared my opinion on this matter in other threads more than once, anyway, plain and simple, I like both Japanese and English voice actors for KOEI games, when they do their job well. The only thing I'd like, as I already said and other fellow members said in this topic as well, is that KOEI didn't often change voice actors for the English versions either, when it's possible (personally, I was quite happy with almost all the DW5 voices). I'd also like that the dialogues in the English versions were more faithful to the original (especially when they affect characters' personalities), however this is another subject.

Japanese voice actors are good or excellent in general, anyway I think that the best merit of Japanese productions is that the voices usually fit the characters perfectly and "make" the characters themselves. Now I'm thinking for example of Sima Yi. If I'm fond of him is also thanks to his great Japanese voice actor, who had the ability to really characterise Sima Yi and made him unique. But I could mention Ma Chao or Ling Tong too, for example, even if their English voice actors (DW5-6 Ma Chao and DW6 Ling Tong) did a good job.
With that, I wanted to point out that some KOEI English voice actors sometimes could seem not so good, but in fact it's just that they don't fit for some reason. For instance, DW6 Gan Ning's. Every time I hear that voice it makes me cringe, anyway I don't think the voice actor is bad, it's just that his voice doesn't suit Gan Ning in my opinion *thinks of his beautiful Japanese voice*. ...While I was happy with his DW4-5 voice, since the voice actor gave him a special brazen and fun feeling.

*Below it's just a list of my favourite voice actors for the DW series, feel free to skip it*
Speaking of English voice actors, in most cases I don't know their names, however I think that DW4-5-6 Dong Zhuo's, DW4-5-6 Cao Ren/Dian Wei's, DW5 Cao Pi's, DW4-5-6 Xiahou Dun's, DW4-5 Zhang Fei's (R.I.P.), DW4-5-6 Zhuge Liang's, DW4-5 Pang Tong's, DW4-5 Huang Zhong's, are VERY good. I mean that their voices fit the characters perfectly and they give a special feeling to the characters, also being faithful to the original. Others I like a lot are DW4-5-6 Sun Quan's, DW5-6 Ma Chao, DW6 Ling Tong, DW4-5 Gan Ning, DW4-5 Yue Ying (I miss her -_-), DW5-6 Sun Ce/Zhang He's, DW5 Lu Meng, DW6 Lu Meng (not the Special one, though), DW4-5 Yuan Shao's (I miss him too -_-), DW4-5 Zhang Liao's -however his DW6 is good as well, DW 5-6 Cao Cao's, DW4-5-6 Zhang Jiao's. And I think that did a good job also DW6 Zhang Fei's, DW4-5-6 Zhen Ji's, DW5 Jiang Wei (I don't remember if in DW4 he has the same), DW5 Zhou Yu's, DW4-5 Shang Xiang (please bring her back >_<), DW5 Zuo Ci's, DW4-5-6 Zhao Yun's (well, it makes me laugh sometimes, however I wouldn't change it XD), DW6 Huang Zhong's, DW4-5 Taishi Ci's, DW4-5-6 Xu Zhu's, DW4-5 Liu Bei's, DW5-6 Lu Bu's, DW5-6 Diao Chan's, Guan Yu's in general (he had different voices for DW4,5 and 6, right?), DW5-6 Guan Ping's, Lu Xun's in general (but I prefer his DW 4-5 voice), DW5 Huang Gai's (I can't say if it's the same in DW6, maybe yes), DW5 Pang De's, DW 4-5-6 Zhou Tai's (at least it seems the same to me), DW 4-5-6 Wei Yan, DW4-5 Zhu Rong's, DW4-5 Meng Huo's, DW6 Cao Pi's.
I hope I didn't forget anything, however yes, many of them, as you can see.
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I had always liked the voice acting done for Dynasty Warriors 5. They seemed to match with the character's persoanlities very well in my opinion. I guess I am more of a sucker for Skip Stellrecht's voice which is where Sun Quan's voice stuck out the most for me. :whistle:

I have a problem more with the inconsistent voice acting for different characters that kept changing for certain characters like Sun Jian for an example. They went from Steven Jay Blum to Dave Mallow to Grant George using inconsistent voice changing. In DW5 it was Steven then in DW5: XL it was Dave and then to Grant doing DW5: Empires to WO1 but in DW6 it was the same voice actor with a completely different use of his voice which I liked but they went back to his WO1 voice for WO2 again. @_@ So you can see the inconsistent with the voice acting and how it changed even just for one character alone and that is what I don't like about some of the voice acting that is done for these chaarcters.
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